Can a perfect jinchuriki break/avoid Tsukuyomi?

[Lightbringer]

You realize Yagura was in a genjutsu for years, right?

Yeah but we have no idea how. There are so many contracting facts to his case.

1. The bloody mist was said to have been under Yagura's rule and suspected that someone was controlling him. It was shown that the bloody mist existed when Obito was just a kid, which means he couldn't have been the one to initially control him in his jinchuriki state.



2. When Yagura was controlled as a perfect jinchuriki, then how did the Sanbi escape? Bijuu are only able to escape their hosts if pulled out or if the host dies, then their chakra reincarnates sometime later. But if Yagura was controlled, then why was the Bijuu not simply extracted into the gedo?



It makes no sense. That's why you can't simply say he was controlled while being a perfect jinchuriki. There was definitely something more than genjutsu at play.

 

[Styles]

You where the one who brought up this whole " 1,2 seconds" thing.

this entire discussion is ridiculous in the first place.

PJ breaks, genjutsus, Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu, it's that simple.

And obviously IT doesn't work the same as other genjutsu, only an idiot would think there similar.

Manga also says Tsukuyomi is instant and Bee didn't break out of Sasuke's or Itachi's weaker genjutsu's that fast now did he? All those things that happened in 2 pages and you think it wasn't more than 2 seconds.

he took a few seconds to break out of sasukeʻs because he wanted to fool the kid into thinking heʻs down for the count, allowing him to blast sasukeʻs chest open immediately after. Plus, whoʻs to even say bee wasnʻt instantly snapped out, but decided to just play along until sasuke turned his back on him?

The hachibi didnʻt know bee was in itachiʻs normal genjutsu as itachiʻs genjutsu was a deception type and the hachibi perceives reality through beeʻs perception of reality therefore he was deceived as well. Itʻs only after he realized bee was in a genjutsu (when itachi told them/they figured it out) that he tried to snap bee out.

Sasuke put Bee in genjutsu and Bee was down for more than a second Sasuke held his eye turned around Bee got up and used lariat if it was like you said then he wouldn't have made that remark.

And if Tsukuyomi is instant how would he be able to break it? No one can break something that is instant because you need to realize they're in it and you have to gather chakra to disrupt the person that is in it's chakra flow. All that can't happen instantly.

 

[Vapid]

Lol are people really using what a non-Perfect jin Naruto said about Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

He also said if you get hit by Amaterasu it's over but we know how that ended up with Sasuke.​

If you think that is wrong, then you should agree that B stating that a perfect jin can break a genjutsu is fallacious due to B never having stated exactly how long it takes for a biju to break a genjutsu for their jin.

 

[amarusboobs]

You realize Yagura was in a genjutsu for years, right?

He was a perfect jin? When was that stated, like fr?

 

[Lightbringer]

Don't know why so many consider Yagura to be a perfect Jin, yet he was placed under genjutsu that wasn't I.T. Or Tsukuyomi. I'm certain that he was more like KCM Naruto.

Obtaining that intel was impossible yet Sasuke was able to easily find out where Bee was. Tobi could have questioned anyone on the fact. As far as telling Sasuke, I see no reason for him to have done that. He was testing Sasuke and did Sasuke even bother to listen to him? He just walked out assuming he had all the power.

I want to refute that, but I need to find the scans first.
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Why would Bee give away one of his greatest secrets to just anyone? The only person that probably knew that Bee was immune to genjutsu was his brother

 

[Gagster]

why did Naruto need to be blocked from IT?

Why did Naruto avoid Tsukyomi?

Why was bee in Infinite Tsukyomi?

Why was Yagura in genjutsu?

Read the part in white, I wrote that just for you

The only real deciding factor is if the bijuu will realize the jin is under the genjutsu, which seems slightly difficult to prove imo. Being a PJ isn't a counter to genjutsu but a check.

Biju's are connected to their Jin, it would be impossible for them not to notice.

The derp bag is going to tell you sunglasses repelled it. XD

Same to you, read the part in white.

You still haven't countered Kishi's contradiction of Tsukuyomi being instant. You're essentially saying that something instant can be countered, which is false and ridiculous.

It's not instant, otherwise no one else would be able to notice it.

 

[Sound]

If you think that is wrong, then you should agree that B stating that a perfect jin can break a genjutsu is fallacious due to B never having stated exactly how long it takes for a biju to break a genjutsu for their jin.

Lml that doesn't make any sense.

Bee has a Perfect link with his bijuu for years so everything he stated is Manga Fact.​

 

[Trúth]

Why would Bee give away one of his greatest secrets to just anyone? The only person that probably knew that Bee was immune to genjutsu was his brother

So now we're assuming it was a secret despite the fact, that his village knew that he was friends with the 8 tails and it's basic common knowledge that disrupting your chakra or having someone else do it for you is how to break genjutsu? And isn't there a scan of someone explaining how Bee is able to escape genjutsu.​

 

[Lightbringer]

So now we're assuming it was a secret despite the fact, that his village knew that he was friends with the 8 tails and it's basic common knowledge that disrupting your chakra or having someone else do it for you is how to break genjutsu? And isn't there a scan of someone explaining how Bee is able to escape genjutsu.​

Well if it wasn't a secret, then again I ask, how come Obito didn't warn Sasuke about his immunity to genjutsu?

 

[Vapid]

It's not instant, otherwise no one else would be able to notice it.

Gagster, you're an idiot.

You essentially just solo'd yourself.

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Asuma was right beside Kakashi and didn't recognize or realize why Kakashi fell to his knees.

Lml that doesn't make any sense.

Bee has a Perfect link with his bijuu for years so everything he stated is Manga Fact.​

He never stated exactly how long it takes for a biju to break a jin from genjutsu. That is a manga fact as well.

In short: B never said a biju's dispelling of genjutsu was instant or anything.

 

[V h o]

Biju's are connected to their Jin, it would be impossible for them not to notice.

Indeed, but supposedly it happens

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, so it's really hard to prove that the bijuu can break their jin out.

Edit: Seems I've been ninja'd.... >.>

 

[Styles]

He was a perfect jin? When was that stated, like fr?

By Danzo at the Kage summit he named everyone that could control a Bijuu. He said Madara,Hashirama,Yagura and Bee.

 

[Styles]

Gagster, you're an idiot.

You essentially just solo'd yourself.

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Asuma was right beside Kakashi and didn't recognize and realize why Kakashi fell to his knees.


He never stated exactly how long it takes for a biju to break a jin from genjutsu. That is a manga fact as well.

In short: B never said a biju's dispelling of genjutsu was instant or anything.

XD Soloed him fast.

 

[Trúth]

Well if it wasn't a secret, then again I ask, how come Obito didn't warn Sasuke about his immunity to genjutsu?

Testing Sasuke? I really don't know. I didn't see him give any intel on Danzo either to Sasuke despite that he sent him to the Kage summit, Sasuke didn't even know whet he looked like. And scratch what I said before, it was Bee who explained it not someone else.​

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke put Bee in genjutsu and Bee was down for more than a second Sasuke held his eye turned around Bee got up and used lariat if it was like you said then he wouldn't have made that remark.

why? Bee using lariat the instant sasuke turned around proves that bee stayed down until sasuke. Weʻve seen that once the hachibi recognizes its host is in genjutsu, it snapped bee out so quickly that itachiʻs shurikens

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And if Tsukuyomi is instant how would he be able to break it? No one can break something that is instant because you need to realize they're in it and you have to gather chakra to disrupt the person that is in it's chakra flow. All that can't happen instantly.

Tsukuyomi isnʻt instant, no genjutsu is literally instant, the word ʻinstantʻ doesnʻt mean literally instant unless talking about S/T. Genjutsu is the manipulation of your opponentʻs chakra, tsukuyomi canʻt be instant especially when people like sasuke can break the technique (which would be impossible if it was literally instant). Like sasuke can use chakra to power his sharingan/ genjutsu while in the tsukuyomi world, the hachibi can do the same to bee while both perceive the tsukuyomi world.

 

[Lightbringer]

Testing Sasuke? I really don't know. I didn't see him give any intel on Danzo either to Sasuke despite that he sent him to the Kage summit, Sasuke didn't even know whet he looked like. And scratch what I said before, it was Bee who explained it not someone else.​

Well what info could Obito have given Sasuke about Danzo? He didn't know he had Izanagi.

It just seems like a convenient excuse that he was only testing him. He obviously needed him to succeed in his task.

 

[V h o]

By Danzo at the Kage summit he named everyone that could control a Bijuu. He said Madara,Hashirama,Yagura and Bee.

Danzo does

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if Yugura was indeed able to control his bijuu though..might be a different translation on another source.

 

[Gagster]

Gagster, you're an idiot.

You essentially just solo'd yourself.

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Asuma was right beside Kakashi and didn't recognize or realize why Kakashi fell to his knees.


He never stated exactly how long it takes for a biju to break a jin from genjutsu. That is a manga fact as well.

In short: B never said a biju's dispelling of genjutsu was instant or anything.

If even Asuma noticed when Itachi casted it then obviously a Biju would before then.
And even if Tsukiyomi happened instantly, so does everything involving the Biju and Jin.

 

[Benjamin King]

This is how Obito controlled Yugito:

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The point of the partner method of Jinchuuriki is for either of the two transfer Chakra to each other, and Genjutsu is cancelled. If the partner had been taken out, the other can't get out of the Genjutsu. What Obito did is take out Sanbi, so that when he controls Yugura, no one else is transferring Chakra to release him.

 

[Styles]

Danzo does

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if Yugura was indeed able to control his bijuu though..might be a different translation on another source.

He said ''and maybe 4th Mizukage Yagura and Bee'' why would he be unsure about Bee too?