Why people say Obito>Hashirama?

[BenjerminGaye]

Even kakashi can beat hashirama due to lack of knowledge on kamui. It's that hax face facts.

 

[Blaze of glory]

Well how would he counter kamui without knowledge?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well how would he counter kamui without knowledge?

Minato is the only one that did it. Everyone else either dies without figuring it out or figures it out then dies.

I'd list kakashi and co.as well but:
A) it was a four on one fight
B)they've witnessed his abilities prior to said fight
C) kakashi had kamui as well. Kamui is kamui's only legit counter.

 

[Draphsin]

Oh man you really asked for it didn't you? Lol

1. Hashirama's reactions and speed feats are surprisingly higher than Obito's.

Proof? None? Okay well then allow me to provide mine.

Tobirama was praised as the fastest shinobi of his time, minato has faster hsunshin than him. Minato's reactions >>> Hashi's & he still needed the instant jutsu + prep to escape, hashi's reactions are laughable in comparison.

2. Only problem, I said Kamui isn't even a factor in this fight..... Even against Madara.... its pretty much a non-factor.

Is this your argument for kamui? that it's just not a factor? Alright then I'll just argue on your level by making claims without the need for proof as well. Mokuton isn't even a factor in this fight.

3. Seems like you can hardly read what I say clearly. I stated he could hardly tell when he switched out with his EMS.. but without his EMS he had no chance.. Show me feats of Obito having Madara's EMS prowess eye-sight. Because Madara had the strongest Sharingan , until now.

Lmfao no I knew what you said clearly, you compared EMS madara's eyes with obito's eyes but the example you used was of a madara without his EMS activated.

He could hardly tell between clones & the original with EMS? Where's your proof? Lol The only time madara has been fooled by a bunshin was when his sharingan was deactivated.

Obito is the only other person who can control kurama with eyesight alone, but that doesn't matter because I don't need any feats displaying obito's sharingan power, the fact that he can see when hashi uses clones due to precog & the fact that he can travel faster than hashi can hope to dream with kamui is enough to prove that clones are utterly useless.

4. I can name you 5 people that won't be caught in it. You can do all the eye rolls you want but they will still exist =].

And...You don't. So funny how you continute to make claims without so much as a shred of proof, quite disappointing actually.

5. Because Minato can't do anything else... so what you are saying is if people want to beat Obito they need to be fast? Your logic has already been shat on by the manga, with Kakashi and Kurama's theory. Just because Minato failed to use it doesn't mean sh*t , and doesn't mean others restricted to Minato's scenario. Stop this crazy wanking rofl.

Ooh someone's getting a bit mad? Stop whining, the only logic that's getting sh*t on here is yours.

Kurama & kakashi's theory? What's that? The whole explanation of how kamui works? The details, & openings of the jutsu?

Hashi has none of this precious info, without info which is one of the prerequisites I mentioned hashi will end up in that same situation. Tell me what's preventing hashi from getting caught the same way minato did? That's the argument you need to address.

& Don't say hashi will use clones, because he would need info on kamui in order to think of prepping them. Also, in any scenario where obito has a summon [eg. bijuu/gedo] he will easily cause hashi to focus on his main attacks, thus preventing multiple clones from being summoned.

By the way who's the real wanker when it's obvious that you have no argument, I've debated this topic with multiple people & this mess is nothing compared to them. Lol

6. He won't know if he is fighting Hashirama or not.. period. No counter-argument to this, unless you provide me him having stronger eyes than Madara or equal to Madara's.

Are you blind or just outright retarded? Just an honest question.

I already mentioned chakra rods, I mentioned forcing hashi to use his large scale jutsus, I covered the info regarding a warp from behind, & I mentioned hashi's inferior speed.

I've countered clones in at least four ways now, you saying "no counter argument for this" isn't a counter argument, how about you address the points that have been mentioned? No but I guess that is asking a bit too much from the biggest treehugger on the base. In fact I'd go so far as to say you're the macho of hashi fans everywhere but that might be giving you a bit too much credit.

Shinobi no Kami > Mere Uchiha kid who got fed power. Sorry to burst your dream bubble. Only version of Obito stronger than Hashirama is Juubi's jinchuriki. Other than that, there is a vast difference.

Hahaha, nice opinion, now how about you bring in some points that'll show me how hashi even stands a chance? Otherwise stop with your sad wanking before you get a splinter.

If you still want to debate by using these petty scenarios and limiting Hashirama.. then go ahead, be my guest..

Lol Petty scenarios? More like counters to your posts that you simply can't answer, most likely out of fear of being humiliated even more than you currently have been.

But kidgamer and others have already proved why Hashirama smashes.

Another Lol, Really? Then I advise you to take a look at this:

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& Show me where people have proven that hashi smashes? Put up or shut up.

There are no questions to this. Arguing with me because i'm disagreeing with you isn't going to get you anywhere. Take care kiddo.

Nope but arguing to prove how wrong you really are is all the satisfaction I need, plus it kills teh time.

Alright, take care "big man". Lol

 

[arv993]

hashirama with info has a chance to win with wood clones and flower world. obito can get paralyzed by the pollen as it cover a huge area. but without any info hashi would likely lose unless he is perceptive like tobirama but i dont think thats the case.

 

[lilenesaron]

apart from juubi related shinobi(s), the only shinobi capable of fighting obito are kakashi and minato. even kakashi will require luck.

 

[A v i]

Hashirama is far stronger than any Obito exept Juubito but chances of Hashirama winning against Obito without any intel on Kamui are clearly equal to 0.He might be able tp win this with intel but Iam not sure.

 

[fassass]

Hashirama stronger than obito but not more than jubito...

 

[Zen Uchiha]

Madara destroyed Hashi at the 4th great war what are you saying Hashi is stronger than ems and edo madara ? #MADARASOLOSALL

 

[Flawž]

Juubito > hashirama

Rinnegan obito > Hashirama

Ms obito > Hashirama with Intel


Hashirama is overall stronger than all Obito bar juubito.

 

[TJ600]

Hashirama is far stronger than obito overall.(unless you include Juubito) But he would probably lose to Obito as without intel, Kamui is almost uncounterable.(unless you have insane speed or instant teleportation like FTG) With Intel though, he shits on Obito.(again not including juubito.)

Edi: Hang on, did I just read correctly? Kinghashirama thinks hashirama has better speed and reactions than Obito? LOLOLOLOL!

 

[narutokage99]

Rikudou also cant touch obito
so are you saying obito>rikudou?

How do you know he can't touch Obito?
You don't even know his abilities, you're just speculating.

 

[Oblivionx]

hashirama has no counter to kamui especially without knowledge.....! obito wins by feats....!
also hashirama never defeated edo madara, where did you get that... even with naruto's help he failed while madara was chilling out because he had a way out....!

 

[SayWhat21]

ok good to know

 

[Silver Wolf]

Well, Obito is on his own category since he isn't more powerful than neither Hashirama nor even EMS Madara, he is simply the most haxed character but he's not powerful, but his hax allows him to beat anyone one-on-one even Madara and Hashirama, but if we are speaking about power-level alone, then he's below even Sage mode Naruto, but Kamui is unbeatable, so you shouldn't care about power-level when arguing about Obito, if Shishui didn't have the 10 years restriction of Kotoamatsukami, then he would have been just as haxed as Obito, that's why the most haxed sharingan jutsus are Kotoamatsukami and Kamui

 

[genii96]

Without intel hashi looses to ms obito,with intel he wins. He looses to the higher versions of obito

 

[Brooks]

Kamui wanking is getting ridiculous.

Hashirama breaks every form of Obito's neck bar Juubito....you're welcome to debate with me if you like.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kamui wanking is getting ridiculous.

Hashirama breaks every form of Obito's neck bar Juubito....you're welcome to debate with me if you like.​

How does he even touch obito? Cmon now. Without knowledge he isn't winning.

 

[Brooks]

How does he even touch obito? Cmon now. Without knowledge he isn't winning.

The same guy who out ran a Bijūdama(which is easily Massively hypersonic...being above Mach 100) can't touch Obito?

Are you serious?​

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[BenjerminGaye]

The same guy who out ran a Bijūdama(which is easily Massively hypersonic...being above Mach 100) can't touch Obito?

Are you serious?​

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So wait. When did foot speed become comparable to st tech's?
When did hashirama become regarded as fastest of his era? Cmon now.