Why people say Obito>Hashirama?

[Draphsin]

He didn't have a hard time reacting. He is the one who attacked first. Obito simply let it phase through him and then caught his arm.

Minato reacted but he did it too late, obito was already behind him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato reacted but he did it too late, obito was already behind him.

But he didn't grab him though, meaning there is time to escape. Minato never even tried to escape, he went for an attack, so how can we say that he got grabbed and he was too slow to evade if he had tried?

 

[Draphsin]

But he didn't grab him though, meaning there is time to escape. Minato never even tried to escape, he went for an attack, so how can we say that he got grabbed and he was too slow to evade if he had tried?

Obito gave him room to properly react with an attack. [

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Obito wanted minato to face him & he was delaying his warp as well, remember? He was expecting or at least hoping for minato to turn around, so that explains the gap he left & why he didn't do what he did to fuu/torune.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What scans are talking about? If you talking about the one Tobirama admitted inferiority, then i already posted.​

Madara didn't react to Hiraishin no Jutsu but rather Minato movement after he teleported himself.​

Like i said before...he hit Madara first because he let his guard down and as for the second one....Obito simply blocked it(which has nothing to do with reaction).​

1. Tobirama admitted inferiority on more than one occasion

2.There was an exclamation point above his head when minato jumped. Then he chopped his arm off before he moved.

3. I'm not talking about when he hit madara. I'm talking about when madara attacked him and his hand went through him.How does blocking have nothing to do with reaction?

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito gave him room to properly react with an attack. [

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Obito wanted minato to face him & he was delaying his warp as well, remember? He was expecting or at least hoping for minato to turn around, so that explains the gap he left & why he didn't do what he did to fuu/torune.

Then that would register under the element of surprise, because Minato had no clue Obito was behind him, nor was he aware of his existence until he sensed him. Hashirama would begin the fight knowing that he's around as they'd be able to see each other at match's start.

 

[Brooks]

Lol Yeah the stupidity definitely presented itself on someone...

Ill say it again for the somewhat slow [you] to comprehend, base speed doesn't change the fact that he got grabbed by obito, & by the way genius I never compared hiraishin to base speed so get that out of your head right quick.

Wow, you're even worst than i thought.

Letting Minato slip through him is what allowed him to grab Minato...so, stop using that as if Kamui was the reason behind it.​

Minato resorted to using hiraishin to escape the warp, & prior to that he got grabbed by obito due to kamui & failure to react accordingly.

Again, he got grab because Minato went through him, then that allowed Obito to grab him...this in no way suggests it was do to the Kamui...​

& You think the bullsh*t you're spewing is anything less than a joke? Please just give up.

Want some arguments? Then go back a few pages, & take a look at these:

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& Speaking of arguments, you still have yet to prove how hashi is even remotely close to minato in terms of speed & reactions, so that alone ruins your entire case.

Give up? Why is that? because you lack the ability to understand a simple manga?

I will say this once again...go read the manga before you make a fool of yourself.​

 

[Dantee]

You guys are overrating Obito. He can't beat HAshirama with MS. Even with the rinnegan it'll be a challenge. Hashirama is OP'd. Obito can't even beat the 5 kages by himself. You can't put him on Madara, Hashiramas level with MS.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

You guys are overrating Obito. He can't beat HAshirama with MS. Even with the rinnegan it'll be a challenge. Hashirama is OP'd. Obito can't even beat the 5 kages by himself. You can't put him on Madara, Hashiramas level with MS.

Obito can beat the five kage

 

[Brooks]

1. Tobirama admitted inferiority on more than one occasion

Then post a scan of him admitting inferiority in reaction as you're calming Tobirama said such a thing.​

2.There was an exclamation point above his head when minato jumped. Then he chopped his arm off before he moved.

Wrong, Minato teleported and even had enough time to form a Rasengan...are you telling he already had that Rasengan?

Madara chopped Minato's hand when he was moving in a regular speed.​

3. I'm not talking about when he hit madara. I'm talking about when madara attacked him and his hand went through him.How does blocking have nothing to do with reaction?.

I was also talking about when his hand went through Madara(which i already explained that it was do to Madara letting his guard down do to him thinking he could still manipulate Obito...​

 

[Draphsin]

Wow, you're even worst than i thought.

Letting Minato slip through him is what allowed him to grab Minato...so, stop using that as if Kamui was the reason behind it.

Lel I'm even "worst" than you thought? I thought people from england were supposed to be grammatically correct? You know? With english being your first language & all.

& As for your point, so what? Obito does the axact same thing to hashi, he has no answer.

Again, he got grab because Minato went through him, then that allowed Obito to grab him...this in no way suggests it was do to the Kamui...

Minato reacted to obito who used intangibility & grabbed him, thus minato was trapped & his only option at that point was to teleport away.

This means that hashi will not have that same chance to escape, no matter how many times you may think otherwise.

Give up? Why is that? because you lack the ability to understand a simple manga?

No because I don't wan't you to look like a bigger idiot than the fanboy who challenged me in this thread earlier.

I will say this once again...go read the manga before you make a fool of yourself.

& I will say this once again, hashi can't react to a warp from behind.

Then that would register under the element of surprise, because Minato had no clue Obito was behind him, nor was he aware of his existence until he sensed him. Hashirama would begin the fight knowing that he's around as they'd be able to see each other at match's start.

Surprise is still related to his reactions though.

& If obito uses a summoning to cover his warp with debris then hashi will not see him coming.

 

[Brooks]

Lel I'm even "worst" than you thought? I thought people from england were supposed to be grammatically correct? You know? With english being your first language & all.

And this is coming from you? Amusing!​

& As for your point, so what? Obito does the axact same thing to hashi, he has no answer.

Yes, he does(Mokuton)​

Minato reacted to obito who used intangibility & grabbed him, thus minato was trapped & his only option at that point was to teleport away.

This means that hashi will not have that same chance to escape, no matter how many times you may think otherwise.

Hashirama uses Mokuton to not allow Obito to touch him.​

No because I don't wan't you to look like a bigger idiot than the fanboy who challenged me in this thread earlier.

Please, make me look like an idiot...that is if you have the balls to?Indent]​

& I will say this once again, hashi can't react to a warp from behind..

Because Hashirama doesn't have sensing ability in Sage Mode correct?​

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[Draphsin]

And this is coming from you? Amusing!​

Not going to respond to your useless banter anymore. Haven't seen a decent argument from you so you're not worth the trouble. u_u

Yes, he does(Mokuton)​

Lol

Hashirama uses Mokuton to not allow Obito to touch him.​

You think hashi can form a seal, form mokuton, & attack obito with it before he gets warped? Please tell me more, lol.

Please, make me look like an idiot...that is if you have the balls to?Indent]​

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Why do I need "balls" to make you look like an idiot? Didn't know that proving someone wrong also involved me being brave, lmao.

Because Hashirama doesn't have sensing ability in Sage Mode correct?​

Because hashi can enter SM before he gets warped, correct?


Lol not even worth it, your counter for kamui is "mokuton" I've seen fanboys sh*t better arguments than that.​

 

[A v i]

You guys are overrating Obito. He can't beat HAshirama with MS. Even with the rinnegan it'll be a challenge. Hashirama is OP'd. Obito can't even beat the 5 kages by himself. You can't put him on Madara, Hashiramas level with MS.

They are definitely on a whole new level compared to Obito but the problem is they don't really have a legit counter for Kamui despite of being that strong.I hate to admit it but they would lose against Obito in a one on one match but again we don't really now how Kishi would troll a jutsu.If they were to fight Obito in manga I belive that Kishi would somehow pull a counter for it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then post a scan of him admitting inferiority in reaction as you're calming Tobirama said such a thing.​

Wrong, Minato teleported and even had enough time to form a Rasengan...are you telling he already had that Rasengan?

Madara chopped Minato's hand when he was moving in a regular speed.​

I was also talking about when his hand went through Madara(which i already explained that it was do to Madara letting his guard down do to him thinking he could still manipulate Obito...​

1. I really don't feel like going scan searching.

2. We didn't see when minato formed the rasengan. We do know that it's fully formed when he teleported. We also know that he went sm prior to using ftg. Minato didn't move whatsoever after jumping.


3.I'm not taking about when obito put his hand in maddy to get part of the tailed beats. I'm talking about when maddy tried fighting back and obito phased through him. The grace period was already over by that time since you don't attack the ppl you're trying to minipulate. Yet obito reacted activated kamui and maddy's attack passed through him. Then when he was attacked the second time he reacted and blocked the balls.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Because Hashirama can't touch Obito. Obito is faster than Minato, who uses FTG. Hashirama doesn't have rinnegan moves like rinbo hengoku or shinra tensei to hit Obito. Obito can phase through each and every attack of hashirama

And bringer of darkness? obito is a genjutsu Master himself. Arguably, he will be the one to put hashirama in genjutsu

Obito can use Izanagi to escape death, even if hashirama hits him (which he won't). Obito can simply warp hashirama away to kamui dimension and dump hashi.

In Narutoverse, ABC doesn't work

If hashirama hits obito and obito proceeds with izanagi that is a win for hashirama and obito would not have anything to beat hashirama or escape with.

and why do people say hashirama is slow? hashirama fought madara who babyshaked the 5 kages and naruto and sasuke were noobs compared to him (yet hashirama was able to fight and hold his on for a while) people forget hashirama split his chakra and was doing alot to help with the war (and hashirama was arguably >= madara at taijutsu as madara was using a sharingan while hashirama wasnt.) but you know hashirama is slow.

the other argument is hashirama will be warped before he did anything, hashirama is not dumb (battlewise) he will make sure to test his opponents moves with clones and if obito does sneak up behind him i dont know why hashirama cannot do what obito did to those ninja after kakashi killed rin (all he had to do is sprout shard wood from his body to stop obito from warping him)

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If hashirama hits obito and obito proceeds with izanagi that is a win for hashirama and obito would not have anything to beat hashirama or escape with.

and why do people say hashirama is slow? hashirama fought madara who babyshaked the 5 kages and naruto and sasuke were noobs compared to him (yet hashirama was able to fight and hold his on for a while) people forget hashirama split his chakra and was doing alot to help with the war (and hashirama was arguably >= madara at taijutsu as madara was using a sharingan while hashirama wasnt.) but you know hashirama is slow.

the other argument is hashirama will be warped before he did anything, hashirama is not dumb (battlewise) he will make sure to test his opponents moves with clones and if obito does sneak up behind him i dont know why hashirama cannot do what obito did to those ninja after kakashi killed rin (all he had to do is sprout shard wood from his body to stop obito from warping him)

Obito has a spare sharingan that he hides behind his mask. He need not use his kamui sharingan for izanagi.

Hashi may have fought with maddy and been"on par" with him but that still doesn't change both maddy and hashi being slower than tobirama and minato on speed and reactions. He might be faster than most but he still lacks the top tier reactions required to counteract kamui.

Hashi not being stupid doesn't change his lack of knowledge on the technique. If he makes clones infront of obito's face obito will just warp to the real him and force cqc. Once contact is made That's the end of the match. Hashi doesn't have the speed to escape or the technique(ftg) to escape , nor does he have the Intel to force obito to go intangible to stop from getting sucked in. Even if he did know/figure that out his clones are nowhere near fast enough to help him.

 

[Brooks]

Not going to respond to your useless banter anymore. Haven't seen a decent argument from you so you're not worth the trouble. u_u

*Faceplams*

Your stupidity now made you get out of topic.​

Lol

Because Obito has to become tangible into touching his opponent in order to warp themand by use Mokuton....Hashirama will make Obito either slip away or get crushed.​

You think hashi can form a seal, form mokuton, & attack obito with it before he gets warped? Please tell me more, lol.

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^This is how fast Hashirama's hand seals are.

You're just a noob that you actually believe hand seals are relevant.​

Why do I need "balls" to make you look like an idiot? Didn't know that proving someone wrong also involved me being brave, lmao.

Do what you claim to do or STFU​

Because hashi can enter SM before he gets warped, correct?

Or he is in Sage Mode already.

Why don't you use your brain?​

Lol not even worth it, your counter for kamui is "mokuton" I've seen fanboys sh*t better arguments than that.

The only thing not worth anything is you.

Also, the term "fanboy" should not be used by some kid who actually believes a form of Obito below Juubito can take out Hashirama.​

 

[Draphsin]

*Faceplams*

Your stupidity now made you get out of topic.​

Show me an example of my stupidity, because all I see here is a pathetic attempt from a desperate loser who can't argue for sh*t.

Stop with the insults, & put up a decent argument, because so far I've read nothing that helps you. Keep trying moron but just remember that the more you try to argue the more clueless you look in the end. Lol

Because Obito has to become tangible into touching his opponent in order to warp themand by use Mokuton....Hashirama will make Obito either slip away or get crushed.​

What a piece of sh*t point, do better than that you amateur, lmfao.

Hashi still doesn't have enough speed to hit obito while he's tangible, a juubi jin couldn't do it, the fastest ninja alive couldn't without info/FTG, so hashi can't with his lack of info + a fodder speed to go with it.

By the way tell me how hashi knows to attack obito while he's warping without info. Lol You simply think hashi knows when to attack him like he's done this before. Please just get the f*ck out your shit is almost intolerable.

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^This is how fast Hashirama's hand seals are.

Still not faster than minato who needed an instantaneous jutsu in order to escape. Mokuton is fodder compared to an s/t jutsu that is portrayed to be light speed [

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So please, tell me more about how the laughable mokuton has a chance at touching obito. :heh:

You're just a noob that you actually believe hand seals are relevant.

& You're the daft ignoramus who believes that such a slow jutsu in comparison is going to touch a person who can evade a JJ, & warp out of a jutsu after it started but before it finished. Yeah, okay keep thinking that buddy.

Do what you claim to do or STFU​

I don't need to when you're doing it yourself, lmao.

Or he is in Sage Mode already.

Why don't you use your brain?​

& In what fantasy world of yours does hashi get to start in SM? You know what that means? That means he got prep, so okay give hashi SM but you're just admitting that hashi needs prep to even have a chance at surviving this battle.

Lol Lol Lol I'm the one who needs to use their brain? HA! You just constantly spout sh*t without even thinking dont you? & Then you place a couple of pretentious insults in there, well I got news for you friend, your insults don't change the facts.

No matter how much you may want to kick & scream, obito >>> Hashi so if you don't want to deal with it then you can find another forum to cry on, because I sure as hell know that I don't want to see or read it.

The only thing not worth anything is you.

Also, the term "fanboy" should not be used by some kid who actually believes a form of Obito below Juubito can take out Hashirama.​

Hahaha, lol. Every time I come to this base, it's always the children themselves who [despite not knowing their age] will call someone "kid" when they're clearly losing the argument & don't have a way to escape. Kinghashi called me a kid after I handed him his ass too, so this trend can be confirmed.

So, Idk about you, but 21 years of age doesn't seem like a "child's" age to me. So if you want to call me a kid then you better have at least 20 years on me. But it's apparent by the looks of your atrocious use of the english language & vocabulary, plus your constant insults, petty name calling, assumptions, & ignorance that I wouldn't be surprised if you were still in grade school in the first place. Lel

 

[Brooks]

Show me an example of my stupidity, because all I see here is a pathetic attempt from a desperate loser who can't argue for sh*t.

Stop with the insults, & put up a decent argument, because so far I've read nothing that helps you. Keep trying moron but just remember that the more you try to argue the more clueless you look in the end. Lol



What a piece of sh*t point, do better than that you amateur, lmfao.

Hashi still doesn't have enough speed to hit obito while he's tangible, a juubi jin couldn't do it, the fastest ninja alive couldn't without info/FTG, so hashi can't with his lack of info + a fodder speed to go with it.

By the way tell me how hashi knows to attack obito while he's warping without info. Lol You simply think hashi knows when to attack him like he's done this before. Please just get the f*ck out your shit is almost intolerable.



Still not faster than minato who needed an instantaneous jutsu in order to escape. Mokuton is fodder compared to an s/t jutsu that is portrayed to be light speed [

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So please, tell me more about how the laughable mokuton has a chance at touching obito. :heh:



& You're the daft ignoramus who believes that such a slow jutsu in comparison is going to touch a person who can evade a JJ, & warp out of a jutsu after it started but before it finished. Yeah, okay keep thinking that buddy.



I don't need to when you're doing it yourself, lmao.



& In what fantasy world of yours does hashi get to start in SM? You know what that means? That means he got prep, so okay give hashi SM but you're just admitting that hashi needs prep to even have a chance at surviving this battle.

Lol Lol Lol I'm the one who needs to use their brain? HA! You just constantly spout sh*t without even thinking dont you? & Then you place a couple of pretentious insults in there, well I got news for you friend, your insults don't change the facts.

No matter how much you may want to kick & scream, obito >>> Hashi so if you don't want to deal with it then you can find another forum to cry on, because I sure as hell know that I don't want to see or read it.



Hahaha, lol. Every time I come to this base, it's always the children themselves who [despite not knowing their age] will call someone "kid" when they're clearly losing the argument & don't have a way to escape. Kinghashi called me a kid after I handed him his ass too, so this trend can be confirmed.

So, Idk about you, but 21 years of age doesn't seem like a "child's" age to me. So if you want to call me a kid then you better have at least 20 years on me. But it's apparent by the looks of your atrocious use of the english language & vocabulary, plus your constant insults, petty name calling, assumptions, & ignorance that I wouldn't be surprised if you were still in grade school in the first place. Lel

I came to the conusion that you are indeed nothig more than an ignorant individual after reading your garbage....your horse shi_t isn't even worth my time.

By the way dumbass....Hashirama is slower than Kamui but Obito's offensive Kamui isn't much of a help to him unless he can touch his opponent, then it will be affective against Hashirama.

I don't even know why i am wasting my time on a retard.​

 

[Ababeel]

this debate is terrible.