Why people say Obito>Hashirama?

[Draphsin]

And then in the end it was a wood clone..:|

Obito doesn't need to warp him lol, chakra rods do the job.

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& if madara can take on fodder clones while taking a seat then they aren't even worth mentioning.

Thats cute, but never knew the Obito we are talking about is the Post-jinchuriki Obito..

#Stay-consistent.

Lel & tell me genius what does post jin obito have that makes his kamui faster?

#Thisguycan'tbeserious

 

[FleeOnSight]

You either need elite speed feats or overlapping attacks to beat obito and kamui. But since Obito can use izanagi a overlapping attack would fail just like konan's did. Speed is the only thing that can really counter kamui and by speed I mean some sort of space/time jutsu speed which hashirama does not have.

Just cause hashirama is stronger doesn't mean he stomps. What's the point of great power if you can't hit your enemy

 

[KingHashirama]

Obito doesn't need to warp him lol, chakra rods do the job.

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& if madara can take on fodder clones while taking a seat then they aren't even worth mentioning.

- Has to be able to touch Hashirama first

- For that he needs to be on Edo Madara's level (Demi-god), which he isn't

- Hashirama also needed to powered down , just like Edo Hashirama.

- Obito must have intel on Hashirama.


As I said before, i would rather fight Obito without any info , rather than Hashirama, or hell even Madara.



"fodder clones". Oh man, clearly someone doesn't know why those clones were "fodder".

 

[Scryed]

Wouldn't.Bringer of Darkness be useful here?

 

[NukaCola]

i dont need feats
hype is more than enough

1- hashi is asura
2- he is the god of shinobi

Hashirama used to solo at least 10 uchiha's per day
he has even killed uchiha's when he was a kid
obito is no match for hashi

By your logic Hiruzen > Hashirama

 

[Exaar]

But as far as normal obito goes.. even Normal Hashirama without any info can beat him.

Well well, look whos back. sticking to your old ways i see XD

 

[Draphsin]

- Has to be able to touch Hashirama first

Easy considering his speed feats > Hashi's.

- For that he needs to be on Edo Madara's level (Demi-god), which he isn't

Hilarious opinion there pal, as I already posted JJ madara can't even touch the guy, & the scan MR posted explains how the rest of the battle will go [minus FTG of course].

- Hashirama also needed to powered down , just like Edo Hashirama.

Don't know what this means but it sure doesn't give hashi the ability to react to something the fastest shinobi was barely able to.

- Obito must have intel on Hashirama.

& He does, in a manga intel fight obito would have info on hashi's abilities [due to studying him, his genetic material, & applying that to the gedo like madara did]. However hashi still has not a single shred of information on kamui in a manga intel fight against obito, because well he's never faced kamui before.

So advantage goes to obito in this regard.

As I said before, i would rather fight Obito without any info , rather than Hashirama, or hell even Madara.

Lel that's hilarious. Obito is without a doubt the most dangerous character to face without intel bar juubi jins & people like hagoromo. Rinnegan madara is only above him [this is including an unrestricted obito].

Minato needed prep to evade a delayed warp.

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Nobody with proper speed/reactions/jutsus/prep can even stand a chance against him.

"fodder clones". Oh man, clearly someone doesn't know why those clones were "fodder".

Lel Give me a break, those clones are still useless as obito doesn't need to warp them away, he has plenty of alternatives for getting rid of them.

 

[VongolaX]

So Hashirama can create an omyoudon staff, use Inyouton, black rods that completely immobilized 1st/2nd Hokage, and

have the power to walk up to rikudou Madara and rip out 2 bijuu chakra from his body while blocking 2 Truth seeking orbs at the same time?

Is that what you're telling me OP?

That Hashirama is strong enough to do that and more?

Smh :|

Orange mask Obito high diff

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Because Hashirama can't touch Obito. Obito is faster than Minato, who uses FTG. Hashirama doesn't have rinnegan moves like rinbo hengoku or shinra tensei to hit Obito. Obito can phase through each and every attack of hashirama

And bringer of darkness? obito is a genjutsu Master himself. Arguably, he will be the one to put hashirama in genjutsu

Obito can use Izanagi to escape death, even if hashirama hits him (which he won't). Obito can simply warp hashirama away to kamui dimension and dump hashi.

In Narutoverse, ABC doesn't work

 

[Tobi98]

He has no counters to Kamui

 

[KingHashirama]

Well well, look whos back. sticking to your old ways i see XD

zz Only back for a bit. And no no no, this is my new thinking, that seems like the old thinking. =D

Easy considering his speed feats > Hashi's.



Hilarious opinion there pal, as I already posted JJ madara can't even touch the guy, & the scan MR posted explains how the rest of the battle will go [minus FTG of course].



Don't know what this means but it sure doesn't give hashi the ability to react to something the fastest shinobi was barely able to.



& He does, in a manga intel fight obito would have info on hashi's abilities [due to studying him, his genetic material, & applying that to the gedo like madara did]. However hashi still has not a single shred of information on kamui in a manga intel fight against obito, because well he's never faced kamui before.

So advantage goes to obito in this regard.



Lel that's hilarious. Obito is without a doubt the most dangerous character to face without intel bar juubi jins & people like hagoromo. Rinnegan madara is only above him [this is including an unrestricted obito].

Minato needed prep to evade a delayed warp.

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Nobody with proper speed/reactions/jutsus/prep can even stand a chance against him.



Lel Give me a break, those clones are still useless as obito doesn't need to warp them away, he has plenty of alternatives for getting fid of them.

1. You are talking about a specific scenario now. Not in a general fight.

2. You still haven't clarified which Obito you are talking about. Now if you believe Obito pre-jinchuriki has the same powers as Obito post-jinchuriki.. then i'm dumb-founded right now.

3. Someone with the strongest EMS could hardly tell when Hashirama switched with his clones.. but you are here spouting about Obito being alert? Good luck to you.

4. Not really. pre-jin Obito is not really one of the top 5 guys who would be dangerous to face without intel.

5. Stop comparing Minato to Hashirama.. They aren't even remotely the same. Their ways on taking things are different. Their way of fighting is different.

6. If Obito wraps a wood clone by accident.. hes in a check-mate

7. Obito will not know if he is fighting a clone or the real Hashirama.

 

[TrollKing]

The one who's overrated is obito

 

[TrollKing]

zz Only back for a bit. And no no no, this is my new thinking, that seems like the old thinking. =D


1. You are talking about a specific scenario now. Not in a general fight.

2. You still haven't clarified which Obito you are talking about. Now if you believe Obito pre-jinchuriki has the same powers as Obito post-jinchuriki.. then i'm dumb-founded right now.

3. Someone with the strongest EMS could hardly tell when Hashirama switched with his clones.. but you are here spouting about Obito being alert? Good luck to you.

4. Not really. pre-jin Obito is not really one of the top 5 guys who would be dangerous to face without intel.

5. Stop comparing Minato to Hashirama.. They aren't even remotely the same. Their ways on taking things are different. Their way of fighting is different.

6. If Obito wraps a wood clone by accident.. hes in a check-mate

7. Obito will not know if he is fighting a clone or the real Hashirama.

Obito's escape no jutsu only works on fodders. These fangirls treating all characters as fodders when they put obito against them

 

[Draphsin]

1. You are talking about a specific scenario now. Not in a general fight.

In a specific scenario, general fight, or whatever you want to call it, obito's speed feats are still > hashi's so this point is irrelevant.

2. You still haven't clarified which Obito you are talking about. Now if you believe Obito pre-jinchuriki has the same powers as Obito post-jinchuriki.. then i'm dumb-founded right now.

Please, I'll kindly wait for the post that shows me giving obito post-jin abilities, the only thing I said was that intangibility > JJ madara's speed, which it is. You're the one saying that obito's kamui speed is somehow affected because he was a jin. Lol

3. Someone with the strongest EMS could hardly tell when Hashirama switched with his clones.. but you are here spouting about Obito being alert? Good luck to you.

It's like you don't even read the manga. Was madara's EMS even active?

The only thing I'm spouting here is the truth, you're just going to have to embrace it at this point.

4. Not really. pre-jin Obito is not really one of the top 5 guys who would be dangerous to face without intel.

Then tell me 5 people who can escape from minato's situation, ill wait.

5. Stop comparing Minato to Hashirama.. They aren't even remotely the same. Their ways on taking things are different. Their way of fighting is different.

Yet one is faster than the other & he stated himself that the battle will be determined by speed.

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If minato was slow then he would have lost, but he wasn't.

No matter how hashi fights, he still falls victim to obito, it's quite obvious that you need most if not all the prerequisites I mentioned to have any shot at victory.

6. If Obito wraps a wood clone by accident.. hes in a check-mate

& He won't. Obito can warp behind hashi before he gets the chance to overwhelm with clones. Hashi can't trick obito like he did to madara because his senju dna keeps his sharingan active at all times. & Hashi can't even pull out his powerful jutsus to deal with the bijuu littering the battlefield if he creates too many clones. He doesn't have enough chakra to have multiple clones using mokujin to catch the multiple bijuudamas.

P.S. Yes, this is rinnegan obito with jins, as he is the "unrestricted" obito I was talking about.

P.S.S. Hashi won't even notice let alone attack obito's floating body parts.

7. Obito will not know if he is fighting a clone or the real Hashirama.

& That's what the chakra rod spam is for, if the clones get impaled by rods then they disappear, once obito hits the real hashi with a rod then he knows which one to warp.

 

[Jimihendrix]

Yes Hashirama is stronger, has stronger techs, etc... But Obito still beats him. Kamui is haxxx

 

[AlphaScythian]

Because Obito has one hax ability that is hard to counter only juubi jins and sensors with FTG have credible chance.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

If he can counter Kamui

 

[Yin Yang Twins]

Obito still able to use six paths power. Eg. Wen he created the staff wen confronting madra.
Still linked to bijuus since hes able to steal from god level madara and able to sence wat chakras Naruto need.
Just like naruto doesnt technically have all chakras but able to turn six paths mode. I don't think obito is that much weaker even thou they were snatched from him. Plus vs. The First edo. He still has the yin yang nulifying jutsu.

 

[PS Sasuke]

Obito beats hashirama with kamui

 

[KingHashirama]

In a specific scenario, general fight, or whatever you want to call it, obito's speed feats are still > hashi's so this point is irrelevant.



Please, I'll kindly wait for the post that shows me giving obito post-jin abilities, the only thing I said was that intangibility > JJ madara's speed, which it is. You're the one saying that obito's kamui speed is somehow affected because he was a jin. Lol



It's like you don't even read the manga. Was madara's EMS even active?

The only thing I'm spouting here is the truth, you're just going to have to embrace it at this point.



Then tell me 5 people who can escape from minato's situation, ill wait.



Yet one is faster than the other & he stated himself that the battle will be determined by speed.

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If minato was slow then he would have lost, but he wasn't.

No matter how hashi fights, he still falls victim to obito, it's quite obvious that you need most if not all the prerequisites I mentioned to have any shot at victory.



& He won't. Obito can warp behind hashi before he gets the chance to overwhelm with clones. Hashi can't trick obito like he did to madara because his senju dna keeps his sharingan active at all times. & Hashi can't even pull out his powerful jutsus to deal with the bijuu littering the battlefield if he creates too many clones. He doesn't have enough chakra to have multiple clones using mokujin to catch the multiple bijuudamas.

P.S. Yes, this is rinnegan obito with jins, as he is the "unrestricted" obito I was talking about.

P.S.S. Hashi won't even notice let alone attack obito's floating body parts.



& That's what the chakra rod spam is for, if the clones get impaled by rods then they disappear, once obito hits the real hashi with a rod then he knows which one to warp.

1. Hashirama's reactions and speed feats are surprisingly higher than Obito's.
2. Only problem, I said Kamui isn't even a factor in this fight..... Even against Madara.... its pretty much a non-factor.
3. Seems like you can hardly read what I say clearly. I stated he could hardly tell when he switched out with his EMS.. but without his EMS he had no chance.. Show me feats of Obito having Madara's EMS prowess eye-sight. Because Madara had the strongest Sharingan , until now.
4. I can name you 5 people that won't be caught in it. You can do all the eye rolls you want but they will still exist =].
5. Because Minato can't do anything else... so what you are saying is if people want to beat Obito they need to be fast? Your logic has already been shat on by the manga, with Kakashi and Kurama's theory. Just because Minato failed to use it doesn't mean sh*t , and doesn't mean others restricted to Minato's scenario. Stop this crazy wanking rofl.

6. He won't know if he is fighting Hashirama or not.. period. No counter-argument to this, unless you provide me him having stronger eyes than Madara or equal to Madara's.


Shinobi no Kami > Mere Uchiha kid who got fed power. Sorry to burst your dream bubble. Only version of Obito stronger than Hashirama is Juubi's jinchuriki. Other than that, there is a vast difference.


If you still want to debate by using these petty scenarios and limiting Hashirama.. then go ahead, be my guest.. But kidgamer and others have already proved why Hashirama smashes. There are no questions to this. Arguing with me because i'm disagreeing with you isn't going to get you anywhere. Take care kiddo.