why cant anybody come up with a good counter for kamui?

[Aya San]

obito could phase under ground thus avoiding it lol not really a win but he avoids getting put to sleep. As it says under the jutsu with will you can overcome the sleepy-ness so it would be possible to use his own would to put himself above the pollen(or attack the flowers with katon)

He'd at least be crippled for 30 secs before he can overcome anything, katon makes you inhale therefore he inhale the pollen

 

[Vapid]

you dont understand my point is if he is free falling he cannot avoid the explosion if he was on a walkable ground he could move away from danger before 5 mins is up

*facepalm* That's the point... It's why Konan did what she did. It rendered him "moving before the five minutes is up" obsolete, since he was free-falling. This is why it's the weakness of Kamui.

Continuous bombardment of attacks WITHOUT any means of escape = weakness of Kamui.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

You really don't understand a word of what I'm getting at here.

No I do.

Your saying that Obito became more efficient with his MS ability after 17 years, which is true. However, you don't know when the speed of his Kamui capped off. This was proven during his fight with Madara that his Kamui does have a limit in terms of speed. For all we know it could have been at its peak when he fought Minato at the age of 14. Point blank, you are assuming that Minato wouldn't have been able to escape it if they were to have fought again 17 years later which is what I was arguing. When the Jubbi was extracted from him he was still able to use his Kamui ability as fast as he could before. Minato knifing him in the face when he was "drained" still proves that FTG > Kamui in that instance because he was on the verge of death twice. So your fallacy of MS Obito > BM Minato is wrong.

Although Alive BM Minato doesn't exist you still put him in the argument. Minato already beat him tagged him twice.

 

[ShiroT]

He'd at least be crippled for 30 secs before he can overcome anything, katon makes you inhale therefore he inhale the pollen

uhhhhhhh . . . .. obito . . . . can summon gedo mezo as a foot hold to stay above the pollen lol that can be a hard to counter jutsu

 

[ShiroT]

No I do.

Your saying that Obito became more efficient with his MS ability after 17 years, which is true. However, you don't know when the speed of his Kamui capped off. This was proven during his fight with Madara that his Kamui does have a limit in terms of speed. For all we know it could have been at its peak when he fought Minato at the age of 14. Point blank, you are assuming that Minato wouldn't have been able to escape it if they were to have fought again 17 years later which is what I was arguing. When the Jubbi was extracted from him he was still able to use his Kamui ability as fast as he could before. Minato knifing him in the face when he was "drained" still proves that FTG > Kamui in that instance because he was on the verge of death twice. So your fallacy of MS Obito > BM Minato is wrong.

Although Alive BM Minato doesn't exist you still put him in the argument. Minato already beat him tagged him twice.

for starters obito phasing through a attack and warping into another dimension is two different things and are no at two different speeds. And why are you arguing that minato hit a injured openont who probably wasnt even worried about fighting anyone at that point. He was half dead and im pretty sure madar was making him use outer path so i doubt he was under any condition to counter anything lol

 

[Aya San]

uhhhhhhh . . . .. obito . . . . can summon gedo mezo as a foot hold to stay above the pollen lol that can be a hard to counter jutsu

Gedo gets cut down by susanoo

 

[TrollKing]

*facepalm* That's the point... It's why Konan did what she did. It rendered him "moving before the five minutes is up" obsolete, since he was free-falling. This is why it's the weakness of Kamui.

Continuous bombardment of attacks WITHOUT any means of escape = weakness of Kamui.

Basically kamui here is master of escape, its to counter by
escape. How to counter when someone escaping?? Put them in a cage, so they can't escape
When a rat running away, how you catch it??? Set up a trap, give it some cheese with rat poison. If the rat try to bite you, BIG DEAL! Go wear some gloves. EASY XD

 

[Phonas]

thats to vague as astral (as many refer to it) is the realm of the dead or spirits, kamui's dimension is like a 3rd dimension considerng the afterlife. I also believe this because in your description is says spiritual and kamui doesnt affect anything in any kind of spiritual way which could mean yata blocks the afterlife but i could be wrong

But Kamui is a Space-Time jutsu. Astral has to do with space. Kamui's intangibility/barrier falls under this category.

 

[ShiroT]

*facepalm* That's the point... It's why Konan did what she did. It rendered him "moving before the five minutes is up" obsolete, since he was free-falling. This is why it's the weakness of Kamui.

Continuous bombardment of attacks WITHOUT any means of escape = weakness of Kamui.

ok i give yes konan made that work, you have yet to tell me how that would actually work in a fight with out a whole days worth of prep time i could say counter attacking obito after using kamui is its weakness but until someone can provide a realistic situation where that happens i say it wont

 

[Vapid]

Realistic?

Edo-Madara was stated to have had infinite chakra. Theoretically, he could of continuously bombarded Obito with meteors (that were about the size of Hidden Villages), until the 5 minutes were up. Then SPLAT. Though very unlikely, this is possible.

No prep time needed.

 

[ShiroT]

ok i give yes konan made that work, you have yet to tell me how that would actually work in a fight with out a whole days worth of prep time i could say counter attacking obito after using kamui is its weakness but until someone can provide a realistic situation where that happens i say it wont

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again refers to spirits and such also in the definition when it says space and stars that refers to outer space. i think your still ignoring the "spiritual" weapon part

 

[ShiroT]

Realistic?

Edo-Madara was stated to have had infinite chakra. Theoretically, he could of continuously bombarded Obito with meteors (that were about the size of Hidden Villages), until the 5 minutes were up. Then SPLAT. Though very unlikely, this is possible.

No prep time needed.

for madara to do that he would then lost track of obito, to continously bombarded him he cant see him at the same time so obito can therefor move out the way or go under ground thus reseting the time back to 0. if you need example of what i mean i'll post it

 

[TrollKing]

for madara to do that he would then lost track of obito, to continously bombarded him he cant see him at the same time so obito can therefor move out the way or go under ground thus reseting the time back to 0

So you saying obito>madara??

 

[Phonas]

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again refers to spirits and such also in the definition when it says space and stars that refers to outer space. i think your still ignoring the "spiritual" weapon part

You're ignoring the non-physical realm part. Yata being a spirit weapon means it has no physical form.

 

[ShiroT]

So you saying obito>madara??

no im saying nobody has provided a way for madara to beat kamui im assuming your question means you cant come up with a way either

 

[TrollKing]

no im saying nobody has provided a way for madara to beat kamui im assuming your question means you cant come up with a way either

Well of course I can, but I don't write the manga, kishi does. So no matter what I come up with, won't be credible unless kishi stated out exact scenario. And the manga lacks scenarios for all those flash back and talkings XD and base on what kishi wrote, madara>>>obito. I don't know about naruto, cuz he's written as kinda dumb

 

[ShiroT]

You're ignoring the non-physical realm part. Yata being a spirit weapon means it has no physical form.

that would be saying that the yata exists in every realm and dimension even in ones created by jutsu way after the shield was made which wouldnt make sense. How can a spiritual shield counter somethng that is not spiritual and not in the dimension its used in especially one that was created after the shield was made:nuts:_@:

 

[Vapid]

for madara to do that he would then lost track of obito, to continously bombarded him he cant see him at the same time so obito can therefor move out the way or go under ground thus reseting the time back to 0. if you need example of what i mean i'll post it

I knew you would say that.

Theoretically, constant bombardment of meteors in the same location would result in an eventual hole being plunged through the Earth, leaving Obito with only one place to go: space, where he would obviously die instantaneously. He also wouldn't be able to teleport fast enough to survive, as Kamui isn't extremely fast like FTG.

I'm going to stop pulling stuff out of my áss now, because me, and other users, have already provided what was asked: a weakness of Kamui, regardless of whether there was prep-time involved or not.

Simply put: Konan is Kamui's weakness.

Nuff' said.

 

[Uchiha Joe]

Kamui has no counter except maybe FTG.​

 

[ShiroT]

Well of course I can, but I don't write the manga, kishi does. So no matter what I come up with, won't be credible unless kishi stated out exact scenario. And the manga lacks scenarios for all those flash back and talkings XD

thats what debates are for i would like to here your points