why cant anybody come up with a good counter for kamui?

[Vapid]

The Yata Mirror has a mind of its own and can perceive threats. This was proven when it completely blocked the gaseous smoke from Sasuke's kunai explosives.

Kamui will be regarded as an astral threat, just as the smoke was veered as a material threat.

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Kumui in its intangible form is a defensive ability - not a "threat" at all.

 

[Phonas]

Kumui in its intangible form is a defensive ability - not a "threat" at all.

But if its trying to infiltrate the Yata Mirror, then clearly it will be interpreted as a threat, especially considering it's a jutsu comprised of chakra.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

But if its trying to infiltrate the Yata Mirror, then clearly it will be interpreted as a threat, especially considering it's a jutsu comprised of chakra.

Hence why he teleports inside instead. He can do that.

 

[Phonas]

Hence why he teleports inside instead. He can do that.

I already explained why that won't work in post #97. Obito has to the use the Kamui dimension to teleport, but the Yata can become an astral repellent in that other dimension via magical means, hence why its deemed as a supernatural entity.

 

[Vapid]

I already explained why that won't work in post #97. Obito has to the use the Kamui dimension to teleport, but the Yata can become an astral repellent in that other dimension via magical means, hence why its deemed as a supernatural entity.

You're still under the misconception that Kamui, in its intangible form (which is what this discussion is about), is an offensive ability, which it's not.

No repelling would take place. The Yata would not deem Obito's pocket dimension a "threat".

Exactly how would the Yata get in close enough proximity of Obito to even do what you are explaining? If Obito is 100 yards away, then what? Itachi's gonna' throw the Yata or something? You're not making sense. Or do you think Obito is going to be stupid enough to get in Itachi's face while he's all Susano'o'd up and then decide to become intangible? Because that simply wouldn't happen.

 

[Phonas]

You're still under the misconception that Kamui, in its intangible form (which is what this discussion is about), is an offensive ability, which it's not.

No repelling would take place. The Yata would not deem Obito's pocket dimension a "threat".

But the Yata Mirror is naturally intangible, in which in its stationary state, already shields the user from intangible bodies. Yata and Itachi go hand in hand, just as Naruto's KCM cloak is imbued within him. Obito, in his intangible form, making an attempt to walk through the Yata is not feasible because that's not an act of defense. Upon intangible body to intangible body contact, the Yata will block Obito from the other dimension because the spirituality of the shield can instantly do so as such. Obito's intangible Kamui body form is considered an astral body form, which the Yata has been stated to reflect.

Exactly how would the Yata get in close enough proximity of Obito to even do what you are explaining? If Obito is 100 yards away, then what? Itachi's gonna' throw the Yata or something? You're not making sense. Or do you think Obito is going to be stupid enough to get in Itachi's face while he's all Susano'o'd up and then decide to become intangible? Because that simply wouldn't happen.

It doesn't need to get in close proximity to do that. Upon contact, it's instant. Obito's pocket dimension can't permeate the Yata to begin with because of its ethereal nature, so in attempting to do so, Obito will experience an abnormal obstacle hindering him from bypassing beyond the shield to Itachi's front since the shield is imbued with Itachi.

 

[-immortal-]

Amaterasu Spam + Susano Arrow

 

[likeastar20]

Because kamui is hax.

 

[KCN]

Because only a select few can counter it. Kamui is ridiculously broken.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

FTG > Kamui anyone with a brain would know that

the only drawback of ftg is the kunai, obito's kamui was countered already by minato

OT: Why cant anybody come up with a good counter for kamui?

Silly question, because its a Spacetime Ninjutsu - the Only true counter to Spacetime Ninjutsu is Spacetime Ninjutsu itself!

FTG and Kakashi's kamui are the only other spacetime nins we have witnessed so far

I could give you a few "hypothetical" examples that could counter Kamui perfectly

1-Spacetime Reversal Ninjutsu
2-Space Barrier
3-Dimension Vail/Seperation
4-Ninjutsu Negation "already used"
5-Ninjutsu Reflection "Aka Yata"

 

[Fluffyman]

Kamui (Kakashi) is the only counter to Kamui (Obito).

Obito can't be killed without Kakashi no matter how many enemys you throw at him.
But Kakashi can be killed without Obito.

 

[ShiroT]

The Yata Mirror has a mind of its own and can perceive threats. This was proven when it completely blocked the gaseous smoke from Sasuke's kunai explosives.

Kamui will be regarded as an astral threat, just as the smoke was veered as a material threat.

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guess you just ignored me when i sayed if he cant walk through it which i think he can he can waltz around it without itachi ever knowing. Therefore there would be know "magical repelling" he can walk right around susanno without ever touching the shield and enter it

 

[ShiroT]

FTG > Kamui anyone with a brain would know that

the only drawback of ftg is the kunai, obito's kamui was countered already by minato

OT: Why cant anybody come up with a good counter for kamui?

Silly question, because its a Spacetime Ninjutsu - the Only true counter to Spacetime Ninjutsu is Spacetime Ninjutsu itself!

FTG and Kakashi's kamui are the only other spacetime nins we have witnessed so far

I could give you a few "hypothetical" examples that could counter Kamui perfectly

1-Spacetime Reversal Ninjutsu
2-Space Barrier
3-Dimension Vail/Seperation
4-Ninjutsu Negation "already used"
5-Ninjutsu Reflection "Aka Yata"

yata wouldnt work and i already ruled out ftg users, if obito is in a vs with a non-ftg user than most people come up with any ol nonesense

 

[Phonas]

guess you just ignored me when i sayed if he cant walk through it which i think he can he can waltz around it without itachi ever knowing. Therefore there would be know "magical repelling" he can walk right around susanno without ever touching the shield and enter it

But the Yata can provide a 360 protection for Itachi. If Obito were to waltz behind Itachi, then the Yata would instantly shield Itachi from behind. The Yata can create a dome barrier in Obito's Kamui dimension, which is why Obito won't be able to touch Itachi. Plus, one does not simply "waltz around" Itachi. It has already been proven that having high leveled reaction speed and reflexes, which Itachi has, can intercept Obito's Kamui. Madara made that clear in statement, as both Kakashi and Obito chose not to sneak behind him, knowing it would be useless.

 

[Nebula]

You guys are trying too hard.
Doton enclosing wall.
Half the fodder alliance can counter amaterasu and kamui.
Even Ino... Ino!

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[Draphsin]

Because kamui is kamui's only legitimate counter.

Even with FTG, it takes more than a jutsu in order to counter it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

kinda hard to counter the magical shield that repels all everything

You give up too quick. Kamui isn't even an attack. It's a means of transportation. In all situations of use Something is going/leaving the pocket dimension.

What obito touches goes to the dimension.
When he phases his body parts go to the dimension.
What kakashi looks at goes to the dimension.

If itachi puts the shield up kakashi warps the entire shield.
Obito just walks through it.
It being astral doesn't mean it has a connection to obito's/kakashi's pocket dimension.

 

[Phonas]

You give up too quick. Kamui isn't even an attack. It's a means of transportation. If itachi puts the shield up kakashi warps the entire shield.
Obito just walks through it.
It being astral doesn't mean it has a connection to obito's/kakashi's pocket dimension.

It's a non-physical threat. Yata protects users from non-physical entities from different realms. That' what repelling of astral bodies entail. In addition, the Yata already protected Itachi from gaseous smoke that is not classified as an attack.

 

[Nebula]

Why not make it kamui vs yata.

If it's against ranged kamui yata can just be kamuied away and then reformed.
Against self kamui why use yata in the first place?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's a non-physical threat. Yata protects users from non-physical entities from different realms. That' what repelling of astral bodies entail. In addition, the Yata already protected Itachi from gaseous smoke that is not classified as an attack.

Paper bombs.physical. gas is still physical too.

The barrier created by kamui won't come into contact with the shield so the shield won't change its attributes to stop it.
Nor will obito's body when he walks though it.