Why BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke

[AlphaScythian]

Read the scan I posted on the previous page.

Sasuke said that he would use his sharingan to match Naruto's chakra output.

Also, notice how the Enton Kagutsuchi and FRS combo resulted in the FRS not being completely engulfed, but the Susanoo Enton Kagutsuchi and COFRS combo resulted in a completely engulfed COFRS. That's the basis for the Enton arrow that Sasuke used having a greater chakra output than Naruto's COFRS.

Read what i said. i ****ing resumed your blah blah into simple answer. Action -> result w/o speculation in the middle.

Remember when kurama's chakra was damaging naruto and others? why doesnt it now? Chakra output?

 

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Read what i said. i ****ing resumed your blah blah into simple answer. Action -> result w/o speculation in the middle.

Remember when kurama's chakra was damaging naruto and others? why doesnt it now? Chakra output?

Alas, we agree with each other on one point.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

TBH, no idea what you're talking about. Are you just talking about the appearances? I don't even care anymore, it's like 2am lol.

Okay, then. You don't have to. I was merely combating your assertion that Perfect Susano'o would drain his chakra too quickly, and backing it with the symbolism of the Tengu.

 

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Okay, then. You don't have to. I was merely combating your assertion that Perfect Susano'o would drain his chakra too quickly, and backing it with the symbolism of the Tengu.

How does the appearance of susanoo have anything to do with the chakra consumption. You've lost me lad.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

How does the appearance of susanoo have anything to do with the chakra consumption. You've lost me lad.

There isn't more chakra being consumed, it's merely harnessed and controlled once it's stabilized.

 

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There isn't more chakra being consumed, it's merely harnessed and controlled once it's stabilized.

So you're saying that not one bit of chakra is being consumed? :|

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke never output the same amount of chakra as Naruto. He merely made sure the chakra ratio was correct, as Naruto did with the TBB. That's why you notice the enton wrap itself around the shuriken parts of the FRS. there's not nearly as much chakra inside the enton attack as there is in the FRS. You forget what the FRS is my friend.

If you're suggesting NV follows earthly physics, you're sadly mistaken. If it did, none of the things they're even doing would be considered possible. Teleportation would not be possible.

Show scans of the shockwave cutting the mountain, not the sword...

Amaterasu has never cut anything, Enton weapons have. Also, notice how the enton blade itself doesn't flicker in this panel:, the actual blade is completely solid black.

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Or this one (the amaterasu flames of the zetsu on fire clearly aren't as solid) There is a clear visible difference between condensed Enton and plain Amaterasu flames:

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Sasuke outright says that he would match the chakra output of Naruto's attack, I even posted the official viz manga translation for you saying the exactly same thing. Your argument is with Kishimoto, not me.

Bro:

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Looks at the distance between the mountain and the sword ffs. Can you honestly sit here and tell me that the sword itself touched the mountains. Really??

 

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Bro:

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Looks at the distance between the mountain and the sword ffs. Can you honestly sit here and tell me that the sword itself touched the mountains. Really??

Wow, I never actually noticed that XD

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

So you're saying that not one bit of chakra is being consumed? :|

No, I'm saying that, once stabilized, it consumes the same amount of chakra.

 

[adeshina365]

Read what i said. i ****ing resumed your blah blah into simple answer. Action -> result w/o speculation in the middle.

Remember when kurama's chakra was damaging naruto and others? why doesnt it now? Chakra output?

Woops, misread your post.

I apologize.

 

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No, I'm saying that once stabilized it consumes the same amount of chakra.

What are you even talking about at this point? :|

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

What are you even talking about at this point? :|

It's already consuming the same amount of chakra before it's stabilized to become "Perfect Susano'o" which is why Madara refers to it as his "full" strength, then stabilizes it to make full use of that strength. [

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[adeshina365]

@ The Robot With Human Hair

Your post about the Tengu made me think of something interesting.

Notice how Itachi and Sasuke's MS Final Susanoo's are both long nosed and look like dai tengu (not completely)?:

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Is it a coincidence that the "pinnacle" of Susanoo for the regular Mangekyou looks like this, but the Final Susanoo's (unstabilized) for both the EMS users Madara and Sasuke don't resemble this? Its weird in the case of Sasuke because his Susanoo looked like that before...

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In addition Madara's Susanoo resembles a dai tengu when its stabilized...

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My theory is that the long-nosed dai tengu look of Susanoo is attained when the user reaches the pinnacle of Susanoo that can be produced from their eyes.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

@ The Robot With Human Hair

Your post about the Tengu made me think of something interesting.

Notice how Itachi and Sasuke's MS Final Susanoo's are both long nosed and look like dai tengu (not completely)?:

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Is it a coincidence that the "pinnacle" of Susanoo for the regular Mangekyou looks like this, but the Final Susanoo's (unstabilized) for both the EMS users Madara and Sasuke don't resemble this? Its weird in the case of Sasuke because his Susanoo looked like that before...

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In addition Madara's Susanoo resembles a dai tengu when its stabilized...

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My theory is that the long-nosed dai tengu look of Susanoo is attained when the user reaches the pinnacle of Susanoo that can be produced from their eyes.

Yeah, I noticed this as well. Perhaps the EMS allows you to take everything a step further. The highest form allowed under the Mangekyo, may not be the highest form with the Eternal Mangekyo. Perhaps each ability he's shown can move beyond what was possible with the standard Mangekyo, regardless of it's blinding side effects.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This discussion is kind of funny. Many people are always comparing Naruto and Sasuke when the two should not be compared in the first place. My view of the two character is simple. Unlike Madara and Hashirama who were Uchiha and Senju, Naruto and Sasuke are completely different entity. Fanboyism put aside, Naruto is far stronger than Sasuke, and this can be seen obviously by choices that Kishi make.

1. Base Naruto without Kyuubi is a match for Sasuke, but ....

Well, I added a but. As you all know, base Naruto has already more chakra and stamina than Sasuke. This is a fact, and ignoring it is a misunderstanding of the manga. The reason is clear as well: Base Naruto is an Uzumaki with a monstrous chakra and stamina. This is the reason he is Kyuubi's Jinchuriki in the first place. This is why unlike Hashirama, Kishi did not give him lot of Jutsu to begin with. If Kishi were to give base Naruto the Senju scroll as Sasuke has assess to the Uchiha tablet, base Naruto would be as strong before Sasuke as Hashirama was strong before Madara. Both Naruto and Hashirama are alike among people in their clan.

2. Kyuubi is a sea of power, and ignoring it is just unbelievable.

Well, this is my opinion. The minute Kishi gave Kyuubi to Naruto, Kishi clearly told to the fandom that Naruto was neither a Senju, nor a rival for an Uchiha. Naruto is playing a completely different role than your usual Uchiha-Senju comparison. It even seems that the fandom has forgotten that Naruto has now more power than the Naruto who cancelled all Nagato's attacks.

3. Throw in natural energy!

Yeah, throw in Natural energy and SM. I think it is clear that Naruto win very easy against Sasuke if he goes in a rage or killing mode.

Conclusion: You may get mad at my analysis, but this is a fair analysis. Assuming you have a good memory, Naruto's chakra pool without Kyuubi was shown to be the largest since day 1 of their graduation. To make Sasuke keep up, Kishi gave Sasuke better chakra control and poor chakra control than Naruto. EVery time Naruto uses Kyuubi's chakra, it is either for speed or power of the chakra. To much Naruto using Kyuubi, Kishi had to give curse seal power to Sasuke, and clearly, as the OP said, in order to match BM Naruto, kishi need to power up Sasuke with an external source. Besides, I think this will not happen. Naruto will ascend to god mode very soon.

I think this is fanboyism on you part justifying reasons why kishi didnt give naruto jutsu etc is not you job. And an uzumaki doesnt have monstrous chakra they have string life force. According to kakashi Narutos normal chakra is twice kakashis which is average. Even thenit was the 4ths seal which leaked the kyubis chakra into narutos adding it to his over time increasing his reserves to that level in the first place.
As a character naruto is portrayed as being goofy(stupid) with childish mentality so there is no way he could master mass jutsu that require seals anyway. So learning mass jutsu is out of the question.
And I refer back to chapter 488 When kiba says you would have beat Sasuke. Naruto states I am no match for him. A naruto who has rasen shurkken toad summons frog gen sages and toad summons is no match for an Uchiha on the brink of total exhaustion. Not by my fanboyism(dont like sasuke) but by his own admission.
Naruto needs the kyubi to keep up with sasuke it allows him far more appendages and ability to vary his rasengans etc use a new and unique style of fighting allows him to form rasenshuriken without aide of clones which could be taken out by sauske distrupting his plans. With this naruto stands a better chance of beating Sasuke.
Km noruto with all his skills couldnt match obito with his spd and was about to gt flattened like a pancake if guy and kakashi didnt show up and sasuke is meant to surpass madara. Also if you look at manga naruto has always lost to sasuke there is your parallel to hashirama and madara.
The only similarity between naruto and hashirama is hope nothing else.
What kishi is trying to say is only someone with a unique kekkei genkai like hashirama or someone with tailed beast mastery/assistance even stands a chance in front of an elite uchiha and his eyes.