Basically, the only reason Sasuke can't stand up to Naruto is because, if Sasuke doesn't have his susanoo on at all times, he will be destroyed. Naruto's speed is not quite equivalent to Minato's or Tobirama's but it's almost there. The second susanoo is powered down, Sasuke gets murdered. I'm not bashing Sasuke, I'm merely saying, Sasuke needs a power-up that isn't PS. PS will just drain Sasuke's, already non-existent, chakra reserves. He needs a stamina boost, or an attack that will actually help him land a blow on Naruto. As of now, Naruto dodges everything Sasuke has.
Conclusion: PS is not enough to defeat BM. We don't even know what power-ups would come with that PS. I think Kishi has a chakra boost + something attack wise in store for Sasuke if, in fact, they do fight.
Otherwise, BM Naruto > Sasuke by quite a bit until Sasuke gets some sort of powerup.
When you're saying that Naruto is slower than Tobirama and Minato you're reffering to FTG wich is instant,right?I hope you don't mean BM Naruto's Sunshin is slower than Minato or Tobirama's cuz that would be funny.
But with a defense Naruto can't breach, isn't that an equilibrium? PS would make Sasuke equal to Current Naruto easily. Probably surpass as well. You're forgetting about Enton application. Naruto wouldn't be able to touch Sasuke's PS if it's coated/surrounded in Enton.
When you're saying that Naruto is slower than Tobirama and Minato you're reffering to FTG wich is instant,right?I hope you don't mean BM Naruto's Sunshin is slower than Minato or Tobirama's cuz that would be funny.
But with a defense Naruto can't breach, isn't that an equilibrium? PS would make Sasuke equal to Current Naruto easily. Probably surpass as well. You're forgetting about Enton application. Naruto wouldn't be able to touch Sasuke's PS if it's coated/surrounded in Enton.
Basically, the only reason Sasuke can't stand up to Naruto is because, if Sasuke doesn't have his susanoo on at all times, he will be destroyed. Naruto's speed is not quite equivalent to Minato's or Tobirama's but it's almost there. The second susanoo is powered down, Sasuke gets murdered. I'm not bashing Sasuke, I'm merely saying, Sasuke needs a power-up that isn't PS. PS will just drain Sasuke's, already non-existent, chakra reserves. He needs a stamina boost, or an attack that will actually help him land a blow on Naruto. As of now, Naruto dodges everything Sasuke has.
Dude, prove the bold, tell me just how "non-existent" EMS sasuke's chakra reserves are, because as far as the manga has shown he can spam susanoo with relative ease, saying that he cant maintain a PS for long periods of time is baseless.
As for an attack, ama hurts naruto, even if he gets an ember on him then it would be fatal.
Conclusion: PS is not enough to defeat BM. We don't even know what power-ups would come with that PS. I think Kishi has a chakra boost + something attack wise in store for Sasuke if, in fact, they do fight.
Bro...You just said that PS isnt enough to defeat BM yet you go on to say that we dont even know what comes with it? I think ill just leave it at that Lol.
Otherwise, BM Naruto > Sasuke by quite a bit until Sasuke gets some sort of powerup.
Its obvious that naruto > sasuke but dont try to downplay sasuke's abilities. His susanoo's limit is undetermined as of yet & ama can hurt naruto, otherwise yes naruto obviously wins.
Yes, but you're forgetting Perfect Susano'o is one of the top tier offensive techniques in the manga. Think of Madara's PS, but then add an Enton Sword... Far more destructive power for something that already can slice the top of a mountain range with a shockwave.
Dude, prove the bold, tell me just how "non-existent" EMS sasuke's chakra reserves are, because as far as the manga has shown he can spam susanoo with relative ease, saying that he cant maintain a PS for long periods of time is baseless.
As for an attack, ama hurts naruto, even if he gets an ember on him then it would be fatal.
Bro...You just said that PS isnt enough to defeat BM yet you go on to say that we dont even know what comes with it? I think ill just leave it at that Lol.
Its obvious that naruto > sasuke but dont try to downplay sasuke's abilities. His susanoo's limit is undetermined as of yet & ama can hurt naruto, otherwise yes naruto obviously wins.
1. That's simply proven by the Itachi v Sasuke fight... Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi who had the same illness as Hayate. Itachi is known for his lack of chakra to last in prolonged fights. Sasuke ran out before even a weakened Itachi. Thus, Itachi > Weak Itachi > Sasuke in chakra reserves.
Even claiming his chakra reserves were boosted, they would only be on par, or slightly greater than Itachi's. When Sasuke maintained susanoo for a long period of time... What feats does he have with that, "long period of time", susanoo. Saying Sasuke can't maintain susanoo isn't baseless, because its already been stated that susanoo drains the users chakra, plus makes the user feel the pain down to every single cell in their body. Which increases the longer the user uses it.
2. Ameterasu needs to hit him first. Ay > Ameterasu. KCM Naruto > Ameterasu. Thus, BM Naruto > Ameterasu... Plus it's not like Naruto hasn't seen it several times already. Simple logic there Draphsin.
3. Me saying PS won't be enough, was basing it off if every PS was similar. If it included Madara's mountain cutting swords it still wouldn't be on par with BM. Even with the swords, he'd have to hit Naruto, the fourth fastest shinobi in NV... :|
If Sasuke's ameterasu orb and crossbow are included, he most definitely won't be able to hit him...
1. That's simply proven by the Itachi v Sasuke fight... Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi who had the same illness as Hayate. Itachi is known for his lack of chakra to last in prolonged fights. Sasuke ran out before even a weakened Itachi. Thus, Itachi > Weak Itachi > Sasuke in chakra reserves.
I'm not even going to argue the other flaws in this post as I'm gonna stay on point. Sasuke obviously improved since then & idk how you could even use such an outdated fight as an example.
Sasuke in his most recent fight with kabuto spammed ama, & susanoo more than he ever has in a single fight yet he sustained no fatigue. He's been fine ever since he's obtained EMS & the fact that he doesnt go blind also obviously plays a key factor in his strength.
Susanoo doesnt hurt every cell in his body anymore, he can maintain it longer than Itachi ever could, i see no logic in comparing them, & to say that a weakened Itachi > EMS sasuke? dude hop off the haterade U_U.
Even claiming his chakra reserves were boosted, they would only be on par, or slightly greater than Itachi's. When Sasuke maintained susanoo for a long period of time... What feats does he have with that, "long period of time", susanoo. Saying Sasuke can't maintain susanoo isn't baseless, because its already been stated that susanoo drains the users chakra, plus makes the user feel the pain down to every single cell in their body. Which increases the longer the user uses it.
@Bold: Every jutsu drains the users chakra, lol what makes susanoo different exactly? Nothing does, & EMS removes the pain caused by susanoo as well. Madara & sasuke can both use it & have shown no signs of pain while using it. As I said you have no proof to back up your claim of sasuke being unable to sustain a PS for an extended period of time. Madara can do it, why cant sasuke?
2. Ameterasu needs to hit him first. Ay > Ameterasu. KCM Naruto > Ameterasu. Thus, BM Naruto > Ameterasu... Plus it's not like Naruto hasn't seen it several times already. Simple logic there Draphsin.
Wow, do you really want to know what simple logic is? What did sasuke do when he couldnt keep up with A? I rest my case U_U.
Your abc logic doesnt fly here, fights are circumstantial, just because Naruto is faster doesnt mean that he cant get hit by ama, which is also a fast jutsu...Now that is simple logic, Inanimated Lol.
3. Me saying PS won't be enough, was basing it off if every PS was similar. If it included Madara's mountain cutting swords it still wouldn't be on par with BM. Even with the swords, he'd have to hit Naruto, the fourth fastest shinobi in NV... :|
Did you include sasuke's enton ability? What if PS enables him the ability to use a PS ama sword slash, anything in its wake gets covered in ama. He can effectively gain the advantage in a battle that way.
& btw PS sword slashes are faster than you think..
If Sasuke's ameterasu orb and crossbow are included, he most definitely won't be able to hit him...
Have you not seen how sasuke hit danzo with his crossbow?
As I said, stop downplaying sasuke's abilities, you're even downplaying madara's abilities by saying that PS isnt fast enough to keep up with BM.
BM is fast but he isnt blitzing every ninja in the series. Sasuke in PS would most definitely be able to keep up with BM, given what we've seen from madara's + sasuke's abilities.
I'm not even going to argue the other flaws in this post as I'm gonna stay on point. Sasuke obviously improved since then & idk how you could even use such an outdated fight as an example.
Sasuke in his most recent fight with kabuto spammed ama, & susanoo more than he ever has in a single fight yet he sustained no fatigue. He's been fine ever since he's obtained EMS & the fact that he doesnt go blind also obviously plays a key factor in his strength.
Susanoo doesnt hurt every cell in his body anymore, he can maintain it longer than Itachi ever could, i see no logic in comparing them, & to say that a weakened Itachi > EMS sasuke? dude hop off the haterade U_U.
@Bold: Every jutsu drains the users chakra, lol what makes susanoo different exactly? Nothing does, & EMS removes the pain caused by susanoo as well. Madara & sasuke can both use it & have shown no signs of pain while using it. As I said you have no proof to back up your claim of sasuke being unable to sustain a PS for an extended period of time. Madara can do it, why cant sasuke?
Wow, do you really want to know what simple logic is? What did sasuke do when he couldnt keep up with A? I rest my case U_U.
Your abc logic doesnt fly here, fights are circumstantial, just because Naruto is faster doesnt mean that he cant get hit by ama, which is also a fast jutsu...Now that is simple logic, Inanimated Lol.
Did you include sasuke's enton ability? What if PS enables him the ability to use a PS ama sword slash, anything in its wake gets covered in ama. He can effectively gain the advantage in a battle that way.
& btw PS sword slashes are faster than you think..
Have you seen ama orbs full potential? No
Have you not seen how sasuke hit danzo with his crossbow?
As I said, stop downplaying sasuke's abilities, you're even downplaying madara's abilities by saying that PS isnt fast enough to keep up with BM.
BM is fast but he isnt blitzing every ninja in the series. Sasuke in PS would most definitely be able to keep up with BM, given what we've seen from madara's + sasuke's abilities.
1. Anyhow, those can be used because when has Sasuke had the chance to increase his chakra reserves? When he was resting up until his eyes healed after getting EMS?
2. The reason he doesn't go blind is because it's EMS. It hasn't been proven that not going blind improves chakra reserves or takes away some of the strain of the jutsu. Sasuke was able to spam ama before, but he didn't because of the immense strain it put on his eyes. Every time he used the jutsu, his eyes would grow a bit darker, and he would bleed. EMS merely takes away the physical strain on the users eyes. At least that much has been proven by manga. Again, a baseless argument... :|
3. Susanoo not causing pain has not been proven by manga. Even before Sasuke said this;
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Sasuke had already used susanoo several times before, and only exclaimed that statement about his cells now, when he was being worn down.
4. First, Madara is not Sasuke... so you saying, "Madara could do it, why not Sasuke" is so irrelevant. Sasuke's chakra reserves have been proven to be = Itachi's or slightly above. Though, no more than Kakashi's. Proof that Sasuke can't maintain a PS(hypothetically), is that he doesn't have the chakra reserves... I don't get how you don't know that. It's like saying, Naruto could have done more than 2 rasenshuriken in SM, simply because he was able to do more than 2 in KCM. SM doesn't have the chakra necessary to pull off more than 2 rasenshuriken, thus why Naruto's absolute limit was only 2! Madara might beable to keep PS up for 20 mins, while Sasuke might only be able to keep it up for 5(hypothetical again). Chakra levels play a huge part in jutsu drainage, and Sasuke has already been proven to have kakashi level chakra(the quality of it is obviously better though).
5. Sasuke used susanoo when he couldn't keep up with Ay, which is the point of this thread! Without susanoo, Sasuke has no defense from stopping a speed blitz. ABC logic does work with speed! Just like, Ussain Bolt > Michael Vick > You. BM Naruto > Ay > Ameterasu. How doesn't that make sense. I'm not saying it's impossible for Naruto to be hit, I'm just saying the odds of him not being hit, are greater for him, than it was for Ay. That is simple logic Draphsin.
6. That's very true, a amaterasu covered battleground would be advantageous for Sasuke, however, like its already been proven, we're not even sure Sasuke would get those swords. Madara's Susanoo had those swords in its Final Susanoo stage. Refer to Hashi fight, when he blocked the tbb. He then activated PS, which wrapped itself around Kurama. Sasuke likely wouldn't have an enton sword tbh.
I know they're fast, but I assure you, Naruto is faster.
7. Ama orbs have a full potential? What now :yeah:
Does Danzo have any speed feats... Was danzo also using Izanagi. Did danzo also have enough time to redirect the arrow with Mokuton... Oh yeah, seems you've forgotten a few of those facts there
I'm not downplaying his abilities. He just doesn't have the chakra reserves to show us he has what it takes to take on BM Naruto, or even be close to him in power. Without an adequate amount of chakra, Sasuke is either a whole tier, or half a tier below BM Naruto.
BM blitzes most ninja in the series though... Just like Tobirama, Ay, or Minato. Madara's PS abilities can't be added to Sasuke's potential PS abilities... Doesn't quite make sense. I think you took my, "I'm using Madara's susanoo as a basis" a bit too literally. I meant the swords, not adding Sasuke's attacks to them. Sasuke either gets the mountain busting swords, or his FS techniques. Not both .
Make the next post shorter and number it, so I can address each argument by number! Thanks
Yes, but you're forgetting Perfect Susano'o is one of the top tier offensive techniques in the manga. Think of Madara's PS, but then add an Enton Sword... Far more destructive power for something that already can slice the top of a mountain range with a shockwave.
i hate this debate
with bm naruto curbstomps sasuke
people want naruto to equal sasuke so bad that they'll come up with all kinds of groundless nonsense
but the sad truth is sasuke wouldn't last 5 minutes against naruto
The thing is Sasuke lacks of stamina. Madara fought Hashirama 24 hours. Sasuke = could take 3 minutes. While BM naruto can stand at least for 30 minutes or even an hour
i hate this debate
with bm naruto curbstomps sasuke
people want naruto to equal sasuke so bad that they'll come up with all kinds of groundless nonsense
but the sad truth is sasuke wouldn't last 5 minutes against naruto
The thing is Sasuke lacks of stamina. Madara fought Hashirama 24 hours. Sasuke = could take 3 minutes. While BM naruto can stand at least for 30 minutes or even an hour
