FS is not PS. PS actually stands up on all feet. FS merely sticks out the ground, IE; When Madara blocked the redirected TBB. That was FS. PS was what he wrapped around Kurama.
FS is not PS. PS actually stands up on all feet. FS merely sticks out the ground, IE; When Madara blocked the redirected TBB. That was FS. PS was what he wrapped around Kurama.
Basically, the only reason Sasuke can't stand up to Naruto is because, if Sasuke doesn't have his susanoo on at all times, he will be destroyed. Naruto's speed is not quite equivalent to Minato's or Tobirama's but it's almost there. The second susanoo is powered down, Sasuke gets murdered. I'm not bashing Sasuke, I'm merely saying, Sasuke needs a power-up that isn't PS. PS will just drain Sasuke's, already non-existent, chakra reserves. He needs a stamina boost, or an attack that will actually help him land a blow on Naruto. As of now, Naruto dodges everything Sasuke has.
Conclusion: PS is not enough to defeat BM. We don't even know what power-ups would come with that PS. I think Kishi has a chakra boost + something attack wise in store for Sasuke if, in fact, they do fight.
Otherwise, BM Naruto > Sasuke by quite a bit until Sasuke gets some sort of powerup.
PS doesn't look to cost anymore chakra than FS (they're both technically Perfect Susano'o, actually), it's simply referred to as the stabilized version, which is why Tsunade refers to it as the true form of Susano'o, but that isn't wholly true until it has stabilized. Which is why Madara responds with "Not yet" then stabilizes it. Once stabilized, all that raw power that caused a cave to collapse, cracked the entirety of the cliffside and the ground to shake with pure energy, can be focused properly.
This is also why the EMS adjusts the "Final" form of Susano'o, from the MS for both Sasuke and Madara, from the Daitengu, the greatest form of Tengu, which implies a true Susano'o, to more of a Kotengu, a lesser, more birdlike form, that, once stabilized, reaches the form of a Daitengu. The fact that it's obtained through stabilizing it's chakra, and that chakra control can be directly linked to intelligence, is interesting as well, as in the Tengu myth, the knowledgeable are said to become Daitengu, while the ignorant become Kotengu. Sasuke gaining knowledge from the Hokage, and choosing to step out of ignorance could be quite meaningful to his next power up. Which is why I'm very eager to see it.
In regards to the rest of your post, I disagree, Perfect Susano'o, especially with Sasuke's own individual weaponry, will be interesting to see, I'm not sure on where it puts him in comparison to BM Naruto, but it's definitely going to put him in the conversation. Personally, I think he'd be equal to or above BM Naruto if he does, but that's just my opinion.
PS doesn't look to cost anymore chakra than FS (they're both technically Perfect Susano'o, actually), it's simply referred to as the stabilized version, which is why Tsunade refers to it as the true form of Susano'o, but that isn't wholly true until it has stabilized. Which is why Madara responds with "Not yet" then stabilizes it. Once stabilized, all that raw power that caused a cave to collapse, cracked the entirety of the cliffside and the ground to shake with pure energy, can be focused properly.
This is also why the EMS adjusts the "Final" form of Susano'o, from the MS for both Sasuke and Madara, from the Daitengu, the greatest form of Tengu, which implies a true Susano'o, to more of a Kotengu, a lesser, more birdlike form, that, once stabilized, reaches the form of a Daitengu. The fact that it's obtained through stabilizing it's chakra, and that chakra control can be directly linked to intelligence, is interesting as well, as in the Tengu myth, the knowledgeable are said to become Daitengu, while the ignorant become Kotengu. Sasuke gaining knowledge from the Hokage, and choosing to step out of ignorance could be quite meaningful to his next power up. Which is why I'm very eager to see it.
In regards to the rest of your post, I disagree, Perfect Susano'o, especially with Sasuke's own individual weaponry, will be interesting to see, I'm not sure on where it puts him in comparison to BM Naruto, but it's definitely going to put him in the conversation. Personally, I think he'd be equal to or above BM Naruto if he does, but that's just my opinion.
1. Anyhow, those can be used because when has Sasuke had the chance to increase his chakra reserves? When he was resting up until his eyes healed after getting EMS?
2. The reason he doesn't go blind is because it's EMS. It hasn't been proven that not going blind improves chakra reserves or takes away some of the strain of the jutsu. Sasuke was able to spam ama before, but he didn't because of the immense strain it put on his eyes. Every time he used the jutsu, his eyes would grow a bit darker, and he would bleed. EMS merely takes away the physical strain on the users eyes. At least that much has been proven by manga. Again, a baseless argument... :|
3. Susanoo not causing pain has not been proven by manga. Even before Sasuke said this;
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Sasuke had already used susanoo several times before, and only exclaimed that statement about his cells now, when he was being worn down.
4. First, Madara is not Sasuke... so you saying, "Madara could do it, why not Sasuke" is so irrelevant. Sasuke's chakra reserves have been proven to be = Itachi's or slightly above. Though, no more than Kakashi's. Proof that Sasuke can't maintain a PS(hypothetically), is that he doesn't have the chakra reserves... I don't get how you don't know that. It's like saying, Naruto could have done more than 2 rasenshuriken in SM, simply because he was able to do more than 2 in KCM. SM doesn't have the chakra necessary to pull off more than 2 rasenshuriken, thus why Naruto's absolute limit was only 2! Madara might beable to keep PS up for 20 mins, while Sasuke might only be able to keep it up for 5(hypothetical again). Chakra levels play a huge part in jutsu drainage, and Sasuke has already been proven to have kakashi level chakra(the quality of it is obviously better though).
5. Sasuke used susanoo when he couldn't keep up with Ay, which is the point of this thread! Without susanoo, Sasuke has no defense from stopping a speed blitz. ABC logic does work with speed! Just like, Ussain Bolt > Michael Vick > You. BM Naruto > Ay > Ameterasu. How doesn't that make sense. I'm not saying it's impossible for Naruto to be hit, I'm just saying the odds of him not being hit, are greater for him, than it was for Ay. That is simple logic Draphsin.
6. That's very true, a amaterasu covered battleground would be advantageous for Sasuke, however, like its already been proven, we're not even sure Sasuke would get those swords. Madara's Susanoo had those swords in its Final Susanoo stage. Refer to Hashi fight, when he blocked the tbb. He then activated PS, which wrapped itself around Kurama. Sasuke likely wouldn't have an enton sword tbh.
I know they're fast, but I assure you, Naruto is faster.
7. Ama orbs have a full potential? What now :yeah:
Does Danzo have any speed feats... Was danzo also using Izanagi. Did danzo also have enough time to redirect the arrow with Mokuton... Oh yeah, seems you've forgotten a few of those facts there
I'm not downplaying his abilities. He just doesn't have the chakra reserves to show us he has what it takes to take on BM Naruto, or even be close to him in power. Without an adequate amount of chakra, Sasuke is either a whole tier, or half a tier below BM Naruto.
BM blitzes most ninja in the series though... Just like Tobirama, Ay, or Minato. Madara's PS abilities can't be added to Sasuke's potential PS abilities... Doesn't quite make sense. I think you took my, "I'm using Madara's susanoo as a basis" a bit too literally. I meant the swords, not adding Sasuke's attacks to them. Sasuke either gets the mountain busting swords, or his FS techniques. Not both .
Make the next post shorter and number it, so I can address each argument by number! Thanks
Thanks, and they are essentially the same but with different terminology, the Yamabushi is a different way of calling a Daitengu or they may be called Hanatakatengu (鼻高天狗, tall-nosed tengu), while the Karasu is a different way of calling a Kotengu or Konoha-Tengu.
Regardless of how often he uses an MS technique, he still doesn't have chakra comparable to Madara, Naruto, Hashirama, Kabuto, Obito, or anyone with a substantial amount of chakra. Sasuke's chakra levels are mediocre at best. Equivalent to Kakashi's. Anyway you try to shape it, his chakra levels aren't very high, and compared to BM Naruto's, they might as well be non-existent.
PS doesn't look to cost anymore chakra than FS (they're both technically Perfect Susano'o, actually), it's simply referred to as the stabilized version, which is why Tsunade refers to it as the true form of Susano'o, but that isn't wholly true until it has stabilized. Which is why Madara responds with "Not yet" then stabilizes it. Once stabilized, all that raw power that caused a cave to collapse, cracked the entirety of the cliffside and the ground to shake with pure energy, can be focused properly.
This is also why the EMS adjusts the "Final" form of Susano'o, from the MS for both Sasuke and Madara, from the Daitengu, the greatest form of Tengu, which implies a true Susano'o, to more of a Kotengu, a lesser, more birdlike form, that, once stabilized, reaches the form of a Daitengu. The fact that it's obtained through stabilizing it's chakra, and that chakra control can be directly linked to intelligence, is interesting as well, as in the Tengu myth, the knowledgeable are said to become Daitengu, while the ignorant become Kotengu. Sasuke gaining knowledge from the Hokage, and choosing to step out of ignorance could be quite meaningful to his next power up. Which is why I'm very eager to see it.
In regards to the rest of your post, I disagree, Perfect Susano'o, especially with Sasuke's own individual weaponry, will be interesting to see, I'm not sure on where it puts him in comparison to BM Naruto, but it's definitely going to put him in the conversation. Personally, I think he'd be equal to or above BM Naruto if he does, but that's just my opinion.
FS is not PS. Madara's PS has legs. Madara's FS does not. Sasuke's FS does not have legs! Sasuke's PS will probably have legs(If he even gets it)! As for the middle bit, I've no idea what you're talking about, and do not even plan on doing any research to find out what it is. TBH
How will Sasuke land a blow on Naruto, is the main question here. None of the attacks he has in his arsenal right now are fast enough to land a blow on him. All he has that might do the trick is ameterasu, which couldn't even hit Ay. Enton arrow is fast, but dodge-able by shinobi like Danzo, and Kakashi. I'm not saying Sasuke doesn't get awesome power-ups, I'm only saying his power-ups aren't going to be enough to stop Naruto. Even with PS, I doubt Sasuke can call himself comparable to BM Naruto.
Regardless of how often he uses an MS technique, he still doesn't have chakra comparable to Madara, Naruto, Hashirama, Kabuto, Obito, or anyone with a substantial amount of chakra. Sasuke's chakra levels are mediocre at best. Equivalent to Kakashi's. Anyway you try to shape it, his chakra levels aren't very high, and compared to BM Naruto's, they might as well be non-existent.
FS is not PS. Madara's PS has legs. Madara's FS does not. Sasuke's FS does not have legs! Sasuke's PS will probably have legs(If he even gets it)! As for the middle bit, I've no idea what you're talking about, and do not even plan on doing any research to find out what it is. TBH
How will Sasuke land a blow on Naruto, is the main question here. None of the attacks he has in his arsenal right now are fast enough to land a blow on him. All he has that might do the trick is ameterasu, which couldn't even hit Ay. Enton arrow is fast, but dodge-able by shinobi like Danzo, and Kakashi. I'm not saying Sasuke doesn't get awesome power-ups, I'm only saying his power-ups aren't going to be enough to stop Naruto. Even with PS, I doubt Sasuke can call himself comparable to BM Naruto.
In regards to the second bit, PS is comparable to the power of the Bijuu, we've seen this stated, directly. BM Naruto is in Bijuu Mode, if you didn't realize, which is the power of the Bijuu. Stop bullshitting yourself, and listen to what's directly stated in the manga.
It's the un-stabilized mini version of PS. Un-stabilized PS is not FS. FS is the one without legs. PS is the one that looks really rough, but has legs. PS - stabilized has all of the armor on and has legs.
Good find, though, I didn't mean the enton swords. I meant the swords that can destroy mountains + ameterasu on them. Those ameterasu swords won't be nearly as powerful, but I agree, would prove to be extremely advantageous. for Sasuke.
BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke. Sasuke would only have chance (by chance, I mean to defend, not win) if he had PS, which he doesn't.
Anyways, has Naruto even gone BM mode since Sasuke arrived? Besides his attempt last chapter, hes been in only KM mode and they've appeared to have been on equal terms (or close to).
8min BM limit was only meant because Kurama lacked the chakra(yin chakra) to sustain it longer. Now that he has it back, Naruto should be able to hold it for a good 16-20 minutes.
Plus exceptions will always be made in manga. Remember Naruto was supposed to die if he used even 1 clone while in KCM. He made like 20...
It's the un-stabilized mini version of PS. Un-stabilized PS is not FS. FS is the one without legs. PS is the one that looks really rough, but has legs. PS - stabilized has all of the armor on and has legs.
Good find, though, I didn't mean the enton swords. I meant the swords that can destroy mountains + ameterasu on them. Those ameterasu swords won't be nearly as powerful, but I agree, would prove to be extremely advantageous. for Sasuke.
8min BM limit was only meant because Kurama lacked the chakra(yin chakra) to sustain it longer. Now that he has it back, Naruto should be able to hold it for a good 16-20 minutes.
Plus exceptions will always be made in manga. Remember Naruto was supposed to die if he used even 1 clone while in KCM. He made like 20...
Bold is completely false and your speculation. In KCM/BM just like in SM a chakra burns much faster due to great body enhancement, if used other jutsus it goes even faster.
Sasuke could hold Susanoo for around 10min with MS alone and after kage summit. As EMS it is espected to be greater time limit.
Sasuke sure doesnt look as powerful as naruto chakra wise and never was but his deadly techniques fighting skill and efficiency sure can bring him victory in couple of scenarios.
Good find, though, I didn't mean the enton swords. I meant the swords that can destroy mountains + ameterasu on them. Those ameterasu swords won't be nearly as powerful, but I agree, would prove to be extremely advantageous. for Sasuke.
Madara's Susanoo swords in the early Susanoo forms weren't all that powerful, but experienced a large increase in power when he upped his Susanoo to its "Perfect form". There is nothing inherently special about those blades, they're just regular Susanoo blades. But because of the scale of Perfect Susanoo and the physical strenght of the Perfect Susanoo, Madara can cut mountains with them.
Sasuke's Enton blades have shown better piercing feats (at the complete Susanoo level) than Madara's have. When he gets Perfect Susanoo, his Enton Blade would have the same physical strength behind it as Madara's, but with the added potency of Enton.
