[Discussion] who the strongest of the supernovas

[OG sama]

Cracker edges out Luffy in stamina though. Luffy needed to eat Cracker's biscuits to sustain himself for 11 hours while Cracker went the same amount of time using his own stamina sooo

Yeah I never doubted that, until Luffy learns how to use G4 at will like G2 he will always be outlasted by his opponents.

 

[kiiro]

Hard to say.

 

[Tomato God]

bonney
law
apoo
Urgoge/luffy
Kid/drake/Zoro
Killer
Hawkins/Bege
I say that because so far these individuals have caster type abilites and we have no ranges or limiters to what they do. Bonney turning you into a child a mile away or Apoo blowing your head up three blocks over after you hear his sound or law just taking your heart out when you arent prepared is alot more leathal than punches and bullets and swords.

 

[Noizecreep]

bonney
law
apoo
Urgoge/luffy
Kid/drake/Zoro
Killer
Hawkins/Bege
I say that because so far these individuals have caster type abilites and we have no ranges or limiters to what they do. Bonney turning you into a child a mile away or Apoo blowing your head up three blocks over after you hear his sound or law just taking your heart out when you arent prepared is alot more leathal than punches and bullets and swords.

What's so dangerous about being turned into a child? I feel like we don't know enough about Bonney yet, but her power doesn't appear to be all that dangerous.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What's so dangerous about being turned into a child? I feel like we don't know enough about Bonney yet, but her power doesn't appear to be all that dangerous.

Depends how you look at it I suppose. If you're turned into a baby how strong are your defenses? If she makes you a geriatric you're near death already. If she changes your age and leaves then it's not super dangerous but if she changes your age and sticks around she can pretty much kill you.

 

[Tomato God]

What's so dangerous about being turned into a child? I feel like we don't know enough about Bonney yet, but her power doesn't appear to be all that dangerous.

Super ****ed up but its dumb easy to squish a baby.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Super ****ed up but its dumb easy to squish a baby.

Bonney is by no means the strongest though as of now. Haki keeps anyone from being turned into a baby. Not one person of the BB pirates were turned and she wouldn't be afraid of facing an admiral. You're making Bonney seem OP if she's the strong of the WG due to her ability.

 

[Tomato God]

Bonney is by no means the strongest though as of now. Haki keeps anyone from being turned into a baby. Not one person of the BB pirates were turned and she wouldn't be afraid of facing an admiral. You're making Bonney seem OP if she's the strong of the WG due to her ability.

those people had superior haki to bonney just like the law vs smoker fight ad the vergo vs smoker fight showed there are levels to haki, smoker was strong enough to resists laws cuts and so was vergo but tashigi wasnt. because law had haki inbetween vergo and tashigi's strength

So hypothetically if boneey's haki is equal to her peers she could still turn them into babies.

 

[-Akuma-]

Yeah and the noticeable difference is stamina, Cracker can fight for 11+ hours while Luffy can only maintain G4 for like 20 minutes. You think if G4 could go on for 11+ hrs he wouldn't have beat Cracker on his own? Theres a reason why Oda put that dumb ass time limit on it. Yeah as it stands right now, yeah Luffy can't beat Cracker but that doesn't mean he wouldn't beat Snack.

The difference isn't just stamina, it's also defense. Luffy is not making any good ground on Cracker if he surrounds himself with biscuit clones. And Luffy probably could have used G4 for a long time with all the biscuits he was eating, Nami essentially made Cracker's power useless and Luffy still struggled to win. Luffy beating Snack is baseless. Snack is most likely on a similar level to Cracker, who is a noticeable amount above Luffy. You're just saying Luffy>Snack because you don't like the idea of Luffy being weaker than Urouge.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Current... (Based on Feats)

Urouge
Monkey D. Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Trafalgar D Water Law
Eustass Kid
Capone Bege
X Drake
Killer
Basil Hawkins
Scratchmen Apoo
Jewelry Bonney

During/ After Wano Arc (Predictions)

Monkey D. Luffy
Eustass Kid
Roronoa Zoro
X Drake
Urouge
Trafalgar D. Water Law
Capone Bege
Scrachmen Apoo
Killer
Basil Hawkins
Jewery Bonney​

 

[OG sama]

The difference isn't just stamina, it's also defense. Luffy is not making any good ground on Cracker if he surrounds himself with biscuit clones. And Luffy probably could have used G4 for a long time with all the biscuits he was eating, Nami essentially made Cracker's power useless and Luffy still struggled to win. Luffy beating Snack is baseless. Snack is most likely on a similar level to Cracker, who is a noticeable amount above Luffy. You're just saying Luffy>Snack because you don't like the idea of Luffy being weaker than Urouge.

G4 Luffy already showed it had the firepower to bypass Crackers defenses as evidenced by the fact that he was plowing through the clones shields and as a result Cracker had to send them away and attack himself. His defenses aren't a problem for Luffy while he's in G4, its only a problem when he is out. It probably took him the whole 11 hours just to replenish his stamina in order to use the form again, which is why Nami's help was so crucial. You say Luffy beating Snack is baseless but Snack beating Luffy is baseless! You say Snack and Cracker should be on a similar level but Urouge and Luffy are both SN, who should also be on a similar level! So you either believe that Snack, Luffy, and Urouge are all on the same level or you believe Urouge is >>>Luffy which makes no sense. Or you believe that there is a big gap difference between Snack and Cracker.

 

[Punk Hazard]

G4 Luffy already showed it had the firepower to bypass Crackers defenses as evidenced by the fact that he was plowing through the clones shields and as a result Cracker had to send them away and attack himself. His defenses aren't a problem for Luffy while he's in G4, its only a problem when he is out. It probably took him the whole 11 hours just to replenish his stamina in order to use the form again, which is why Nami's help was so crucial. You say Luffy beating Snack is baseless but Snack beating Luffy is baseless! You say Snack and Cracker should be on a similar level but Urouge and Luffy are both SN, who should also be on a similar level! So you either believe that Snack, Luffy, and Urouge are all on the same level or you believe Urouge is >>>Luffy which makes no sense. Or you believe that there is a big gap difference between Snack and Cracker.

Cracker didn't send his soldiers away. He told them to advance, which means the exact opposite. They charged closer to Luffy and Cracker darted in between them to attack Luffy directly.

Luffy's initial usage of Gear Fourth was limited to about 30 minutes, so there's no way he only activated it twice against Cracker. Without G4, one biscuit soldier sent him flying on his ass over and over. There's no way Luffy was fending off a horde of them PLUS Cracker himself without it.

 

[OG sama]

Cracker didn't send his soldiers away. He told them to advance, which means the exact opposite. They charged closer to Luffy and Cracker darted in between them to attack Luffy directly.

Luffy's initial usage of Gear Fourth was limited to about 30 minutes, so there's no way he only activated it twice against Cracker. Without G4, one biscuit soldier sent him flying on his ass over and over. There's no way Luffy was fending off a horde of them PLUS Cracker himself without it.

Whether he sent them away or jumped in ahead of them doesn't matter, they were going to be destroyed if Cracker didn't do something. People seem to think the clones were tanking attacks from G4 but they weren't that's my argument. We already saw what 1 clone does and it got 2 shot.

He wasn't alone he had Nami there to soften them up enough for them to be fought and or possibly destroyed by a mere punch and then he ate them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whether he sent them away or jumped in ahead of them doesn't matter, they were going to be destroyed if Cracker didn't do something.

You have no proof of this.

He wasn't alone he had Nami there to soften them up enough for them to be fought and or possibly destroyed by a mere punch and then he ate them.

Like I said before, one biscuit soldier bullied Luffy, and Cracker himself was out. Even if Nami's rain soaked the entire army enough that they couldn't manhandle Luffy, Cracker himself was still there, and getting wet wouldn't have stopped him.

 

[OG sama]

I really don't get the logic with some of the opinions in here. If we assume that Snack was the 4th strongest commander in BMs crew and we used the WB pirates to power scale then it would go like this:

1.Katakuri~Marco
2. Smoothie~Jozu
3. Cracker~Vista
4. Snack~Ace (Urouge defeated Snack one way or another)

Then you have Ace and Snack literally on the same level, there are many people who think Luffy is above Ace right now!

Then you do Kaidos crew and we assume X Drake is 4th strongest:
1.King
2.Queen
3. Jack
4. X Drake

Look at all the SN level fighters at the 4 position, it all makes perfect sense.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I really don't get the logic with some of the opinions in here. If we assume that Snack was the 4th strongest commander in BMs crew and we used the WB pirates to power scale then it would go like this:

1.Katakuri~Marco
2. Smoothie~Jozu
3. Cracker~Vista
4. Snack~Ace (Urouge defeated Snack one way or another)

Then you have Ace and Snack literally on the same level, there are many people who think Luffy is above Ace right now!

Then you do Kaidos crew and we assume X Drake is 4th strongest:
1.King
2.Queen
3. Jack
4. X Drake

Look at all the SN level fighters at the 4 position, it all makes perfect sense.

You know the glaring flaw in this argument? You think that the number 1 of BM's crew is as strong as the number 1 of WB's crew. This part right here:

1.Katakuri~Marco
2. Smoothie~Jozu
3. Cracker~Vista
4. Snack~Ace (Urouge defeated Snack one way or another)

Flawed as a mother****er. Katakuri being the strongest commander of one crew does NOT mean he's as strong as the strongest commander of another crew. Same for every number 2, 3, and 4 you listed here.

 

[OG sama]

You have no proof of this.



Like I said before, one biscuit soldier bullied Luffy, and Cracker himself was out. Even if Nami's rain soaked the entire army enough that they couldn't manhandle Luffy, Cracker himself was still there, and getting wet wouldn't have stopped him.

No proof? We already saw what G4 did to 1 biscuit clone, he pretty much 2 shotted that clone. And then we have manga panels showing G4 smashing the biscuit soldiers shields, without there shields what exactly would have saved those clones from getting destroyed besides Cracker? I'll wait.

He was there but he didn't do shit evidently, because the MFer is afraid of pain. The fact that he went the entire 11 hours without managing to harm Luffy supports this.

 

[OG sama]

You know the glaring flaw in this argument? You think that the number 1 of BM's crew is as strong as the number 1 of WB's crew. This part right here:

1.Katakuri~Marco
2. Smoothie~Jozu
3. Cracker~Vista
4. Snack~Ace (Urouge defeated Snack one way or another)

Flawed as a mother****er. Katakuri being the strongest commander of one crew does NOT mean he's as strong as the strongest commander of another crew. Same for every number 2, 3, and 4 you listed here.

You sound dumb as **** I never said they were all literally equal, this ~ symbol is there to show they are around the same level, its not flawed at all.

Prove me wrong it makes perfect sense.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You sound dumb as **** I never said they were all literally equal, this ~ symbol is there to show they are around the same level, its not flawed at all.

Prove me wrong it makes perfect sense.

The part of you post where you said "Snack~Ace, but people say Luffy is above Ace and below Snack!" highlights the flaw of your argument. Yes, they're on the same general level, but that doesn't mean they're close or that Ace can beat Snack. Snack can very well be on the same general level as Ace, and be stronger than Luffy while Luffy is stronger than Ace.

Your attempt to say create these equivalency links fail to prove the point you're trying to make.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No proof? We already saw what G4 did to 1 biscuit clone, he pretty much 2 shotted that clone. And then we have manga panels showing G4 smashing the biscuit soldiers shields, without there shields what exactly would have saved those clones from getting destroyed besides Cracker? I'll wait.

Yeah, except that while pieces of the shields were falling off, they were doing that for the entirety of the Gum Gum Organ, and never fully broke. You don't know that those shields were going to completely break.

He was there but he didn't do shit evidently, because the MFer is afraid of pain. The fact that he went the entire 11 hours without managing to harm Luffy supports this.

Cracker isn't scared of pain, he dislikes it. Secondly, you have no idea that he didn't harm Luffy further during those 11 hours.