I actually agree with you on this, Big father has some pretty good defenses that imo would make a fight against it difficult, G4 specifically. It took an enraged punch from BM and didn't immediately collapse, your actually helping my opinion a little bit.
Only Law has feats that suggest he can bypass Capone's defenses, since his power ignores durability. None of the others have shown that they have strength on par with Big Mom.
Wait, so what you're trying to say is that none of the SNs besides Law can damage Big father at all because it didn't immediately get destroyed by BMs fists?
The only one of them who's displayed feats of strength that could possibly place them up there with BM is Luffy, and even that doesn't appear likely given how he was portrayed in their clash(Maybe Zoro with cutting Pica? not sure on that one).
The distance is relevant simply because if it were a longer distance that would have given Luffy more time to pound at the shields. And did you forget the soldiers have more than one shield? And no, it's not a fact they would have fully broken before they got to Luffy. He clearly did need her help, the panels show Luffy not even being able to lay a finger on Cracker.
And what indicates that? the reason I said urouge likely never saw cracker's true form was because of how surprised cracker was that luffy broke his armor and said he was surprised someone like him could do that. That statement indicated that another supernova most likely never broke through crackers defenses.
Because when Cracker showed up, Urouge in all likelihood would have already exhausted himself defeating Snack. Unless you think Snack is so much weaker than Urouge that the SN beat him without exhausting himself.
I didn't forget they had more than one shield, but it doesn't matter, regardless those shields were going to be destroyed they were still crumbling and weren't exactly close enough to Luffy.The distance is relevant simply because if it were a longer distance that would have given Luffy more time to pound at the shields. And did you forget the soldiers have more than one shield? And no, it's not a fact they would have fully broken before they got to Luffy. He clearly did need her help, the panels show Luffy not even being able to lay a finger on Cracker.
Luffy in G4 is mid-diffing Law. Look at you now, changing your arguments already. First ALL Supernovas are equal and now only the high tier ones are :sdo: That's not my logic dumbass. I said there's a noticeable difference between Luffy and Cracker, that doesn't mean him and Urouge are beating him easily.
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Good thing there's no sweet commander below Snack....Dumbass
First of all we dont know the time difference between when urouge defeated snack and him having to face cracker, no one said it was immediately after it could have been after a few days or a day. Second even if he was tired and again he likely had some time to recuperate b4 facing cracker, if the guy cant break one of cracker's armor or push him like luffy did, that means he would be absolutely crushed by cracker unlike luffy who with G4 can put up a decent fight until the time limit goes out. It can be possible that snack can be weaker than cracker by a good margin but again we dont have all the info all we know is cracker beat uruoge easily enough that he didnt get exposed.
Doubt it. When Luffy defeated Cracker, the Enraged Army showed up that very same day while Luffy was still tired. Makes absolutely no sense that Cracker would wait days before showing up for Urouge. There's also the fact that Cracker showed up to fight Luffy shortly after Luffy and the others got to the Seducing Woods, meaning it makes even less sense that he'd show up there even a day later when Urouge defeated Snack.
Like I said before, and you still have to refute, it's unlikely Urouge even got the chance to go all out against Cracker in the first place.
Main difference was urogue was in sea by the time, meaning he was able to get some space between BM and her crew. Luffy was point blank in their territory so its much easier to track him down. We cant assume that it takes the same time since its much easier to find somebody on land and in your own territory with all the recon in the world.
Idk though based on his powers he may have been at his best chance to take on Cracker right after the fight with Snack since he converts damage to power and all.
Those shield and the clones weren't all going to crumble at such a short distance LMAO. And they weren't that close? Either you're lying or retarded, pick one:
The clones weren't going to overwhelm G4 and there's nothing proving they were. In fact, if they were bound to overpower him why did Cracker jump right in front of them and attack himself? Why would a guy who dislikes pain jump out and attack on his own if the clones had it all under control? You can bring up the fact that Luffy had his focus elsewhere but if the clones were in fact going to overwhelm Luffy as you say, he could have just stayed put.
The clones would have reached Luffy and he would have had to stop the gataling in order to dodge any moves coming from them. If Luffy needed a Kong Organ just to take out 5 of them a bunch of them + the orignal Cracker is overwhelming Luffy up close. I just said why he jumped out in the other post, he saw an opening. Just because he hates pain doesn't mean he's stupid, he saw an opening and took it.
Like I said there's nothing proving those clones were going to overpower Luffy, all this shit your saying just sounds like a big ass assumption. Those clones are so weak to G4 he can two shot them, how in the hell would they overpower him? The number of the clones also doesn't change a thing when he can simply two shot all of them.
