narutofeen21
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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
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he lost to oro because of his weakened and old body... O_Owe already saw he lost against oro :sy:
Hiruzen was simply trained by the first and 2nd, and supposedly surpassed them boths in ninjtusu, taijutsu and genjutsu.. he's just better than them...
The edo tensei's weren't even weaker.. they look weaker because of the change from part 1 to part 2.... Orochimaru's edo tensei's were perfected..., power levels just changed.. which is how flower world etc came into play... back in part 1 , tobirama's biggest feat was spitting water from his mouth and making a water jutsu.. which had orochimaru and the anbu people in awe...
Now i can call like 100 ninjas who did that exact same thing in part 2...
I've said already if kishi rewrote that, it would be different of course.. But it's the feat you have to look at... Old hiruzen still bested 2 perfected Edo tensei's.... that's like kakashi going up against edo muu and mizukage, without them speaking and telling him their weaknesses
So you think that Hiruzen could have defeated Madara (not edo madara but the one Hashirama fought so only EMS but thats more than enough)? Madara had the kyuubi which Hiruzen couldnt defeat thats why he waited for the 4th to take care of 9tails .guess what its stfu fan boy oclock in any arena the third beats the first why you ask?
first according to "hype" hiruzen is stronger due to his extreme knowledge of jutsu and being hokage during the third war when which was the time of all the strongest kages.
secondly manga and anime with old age the 4th defeated the first and second then stalemated oro and saving the village.
third all of you saying hashi is stronger have absolutely no proof except hype which clearly states the fourth is stronger.
4th in order to become kage in the time of the war surutobi had to possed such stregnth to appose the third raikage and kazekage who were the practitioners of unparalleled jutsu such as magnet release and black lightning jutsu. in a time of constant war and battle.
its understandable from a first glance view why people would doubt the power of the third but if you really study the manga its easy to see the third is strongest
being kage in the time of danzo hanzo itachi shisu oro jiraya tsunade asuma kakashi all the third kages minato his three students being the legendary sannin. you basically are insulting all of those characters by saying the first could beat him.
while mokuton and the other wood release techs ex (advent world flowering trees and sea of trees) are in my opinion omega level jutsu capable of destroying armys of chuunin level shinobi these are nothing to the third hokage.
with his telescope technique you can never escape him.
using earth/water mud shadow clones that regenerate and can use a multishadow clone jutsu that creates real copies of shuriken that dont disappear and are deadly
also his usage of tiles in the fight versus oro he picked them up with pure chakra and pressuring them
he's simply on another level than other ninja
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First of all i believe what dan said because he was around during sarutobi's prime i believe because its during this time that He and Tsuande were together and Tsunade was sarutobi's student. But lets not get carried away, although i do believe ems madara will beat prime sarutobi and dan has confirmed this what he said shouldnt cloud your judgement. Its due to hashirama's unique abilities that allowed him to defeat madara.
So whilst prime sarutobi may not be able to beat madara, he can beat hashirama. He was his student, he will know his strength and weaknesses. An example is how he figured out the bringer of darkness weakness which is that apart from your eyes which has been blinded all your other senses are activate and its due to this that he was able to use his sense of smell to figure out where hashirama is. Secondly enma is a very good counter fo mokouton and we saw this. He was able to transform into a cage which protected sarutobi, but also with one swoop made hashirama's mokouton look like a twig
I do believe that Prime Hiruzen CAN beat Hashirama, just as Hashirama CAN beat Prime Hiruzen. There are no absolutes. Neither Hashirama/Hiruzen can beat Edo Madara, Tobi, Nagato, and Kabuto. Period. You need slapped for insulting other people's opinions bud.OK. This is how it goes. Hiruzen in part 1 was supposed to be the strongest because of all of his hype. It's clear that Kishi wanted to show his power. In the Shippuden however, Hashirama has been hyped. People who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama need a slap. It's getting annoying. He was called God of Shinobi but someone like Nagato could take him out if he wanted, so if Nagato > Hiruzen, then how can Hiruzen > Hashirama? It's getting ridiculous, and I agree 100% with what you have said.
I find it ironic how all the Hokages have been sealed by the Death Reaper (aside from Tsunade).i hate the fact that minato and hiruzen died with seal so they cant be called with edo tensei i would love to see them fight with prime ninjas
First how would those techs bee nothing to him? if u say he can break his best wood techs easy then i dont know because i saw hashirama's wood tank a full 9tails TBB...also about the copy shuriken thing...hashi is a weapons master and he can create wood clones that dont dissapear i dont think the 3rd would tell them apart...1st can also heal himself ...i dont think the 3rd can do that...people going by hashi is just all hype as bad as people going off "his prime would own anyone" < noone has proof of this and only kishi knows really..if u believe hiruzen would win 10/10 then i give up at best i believe 5/10 he would winguess what its stfu fan boy oclock in any arena the third beats the first why you ask?
first according to "hype" hiruzen is stronger due to his extreme knowledge of jutsu and being hokage during the third war when which was the time of all the strongest kages.
secondly manga and anime with old age the 4th defeated the first and second then stalemated oro and saving the village.
third all of you saying hashi is stronger have absolutely no proof except hype which clearly states the fourth is stronger.
4th in order to become kage in the time of the war surutobi had to possed such stregnth to appose the third raikage and kazekage who were the practitioners of unparalleled jutsu such as magnet release and black lightning jutsu. in a time of constant war and battle.
its understandable from a first glance view why people would doubt the power of the third but if you really study the manga its easy to see the third is strongest
being kage in the time of danzo hanzo itachi shisu oro jiraya tsunade asuma kakashi all the third kages minato his three students being the legendary sannin. you basically are insulting all of those characters by saying the first could beat him.
while mokuton and the other wood release techs ex (advent world flowering trees and sea of trees) are in my opinion omega level jutsu capable of destroying armys of chuunin level shinobi these are nothing to the third hokage.
with his telescope technique you can never escape him.
using earth/water mud shadow clones that regenerate and can use a multishadow clone jutsu that creates real copies of shuriken that dont disappear and are deadly
also his usage of tiles in the fight versus oro he picked them up with pure chakra and pressuring them
he's simply on another level than other ninja
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he's mastered the four elementsFirst how would those techs bee nothing to him? if u say he can break his best wood techs easy then i dont know because i saw hashirama's wood tank a full 9tails TBB...also about the copy shuriken thing...hashi is a weapons master and he can create wood clones that dont dissapear i dont think the 3rd would tell them apart...1st can also heal himself ...i dont think the 3rd can do that...people going by hashi is just all hype as bad as people going off "his prime would own anyone" < noone has proof of this and only kishi knows really..if u believe hiruzen would win 10/10 then i give up at best i believe 5/10 he would win
Show me where in the manga it says Hiruzen surpassed both the 1st and 2nd Hokage. The hokages fighting hiruzen under orochimaru were far from perfected because they weren't fighting of their own free will, only to what orochimaru would let them do( unlike kabuto who can give them the option of fighting on their own ex: deidara, sasori).
Also please give me a list of 100 Ninja's that came make water come out of thin air.
I'm so god damn tired of hearing about god damn Prime Hiruzen. Do we even know what Prime Hiruzen did? That's like me saying "Tobi's prime > Hiruzen's Prime"
The ONLY person to EVER say hiruzen was a god was orochimaru and he said it because Hiruzen knew so many jutsu. How does that mean its true? Certain people think Nagato was an unkillable god. Some people think Minato was the strongest. You cannot go off of someone's opinion and then say we have no logic?! That in itself is a logical Fallacy.
Another illogical argument... Does tobi prime has any feats or hype? Great. Then you can't compare nothing with something....
Nope, but what feats did Prime Hiruzen have? Just hype. I'll continue to compare nothing with something sir.
Another illogical argument... Does tobi prime has any feats or hype? Great. Then you can't compare nothing with something....
We are talking about Hiruzen in his PRIME. He lost against oro 'cause he was old and didn't have the same physical capacities as he used to, though he was still able to stand his ground.we already saw he lost against oro :sy:
overpowered? you mean push it and anger it and wait for TBB spam?he's mastered the four elements
in the one battle i seen he used mostly earth techniques while not on the ground. thats unheard of.
he uses a telescope tech that allows him to see a target no matter the distance.
in any other situation besides being trapped in a sevral layered barrier and being forced into short ranged combat with three kage level shinobi
he could have easily escaped underground and atacked from a far.
basically because oro grew up with the fourth he exploited all his weaknesses his sensei his old age his range and tactics and oro still couldnt defeat him.
really look at whats going on and you can see how much better the 4th is than any other just with his clones regenerating.
ps surotobi did face the nintails and didnt even get scratched he completely overpowered the kyuubi with enma staff