All I can say Hashirama beat Madara with "Perfect Susano'o" and Kurama in his offence. It's not even credible to think Hiruzen can pull off shit like that.
Oh yeah I forgot that they get to decide to toy with Hiruzen while under Oro's control.(gee they might as well have just stopped moving so Hiruzen could beat them). And I forgot how they said they were toying with him(they didnt) Hiruzen beat them fair and square. It has been stated that he was the Strongest Hokage. (literally in databook) And if you guys do not believe your own eyes or the manga then good luck with your logic.
o.o didnt oro say they were toying with him? ...didnt he get caught in a genjutsu which if hit with a big jutsu would have died?..why on earth would u go next to someone so they can grab you? sorry but that doesnt make any sense ...tell me what the databook says about hashirama?
Note: This is not a thread about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is.So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
You must be registered for see links
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
IMO, thats the excuse everybody is using to backup hiruzen, im just pointing out madara must of known about hiruzen, but as you rightly said never saw him in his prime, but neither did we? All im saying is that madara undoubtedly the most strongest shinobi atm, in naruto stated that hasirama was the strongest shinobi.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is.So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
You must be registered for see links
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
---------------------------------------------
All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
How do you know that?
If he didn't die during his fight with Hashirama who knows how long he survived and what he saw, it's very possible he saw Prime Hiruzen.
IMO, thats the excuse everybody is using to backup hiruzen, im just pointing out madara must of known about hiruzen, but as you rightly said never saw him in his prime, but neither did we? All im saying is that madara undoubtedly the most strongest shinobi atm, in naruto stated that hasirama was the strongest shinobi.
why do you ignore what the CREATOR said.you are not kishi so dont say he changed his mind.:flawne day soon every body who says hashirama is strongest will be proven wrong.
why do you ignore what the CREATOR said.you are not kishi so dont say he changed his mind.:flawne day soon every body who says hashirama is strongest will be proven wrong.
He may have meant that Hashi is the only one that can combat Madara's specific abilities. After all, matchups are the key reason why people win in Naruto
He may have meant that Hashi is the only one that can combat Madara's specific abilities. After all, matchups are the key reason why people win in Naruto
I don't know it wasn't even a hiruzen<Hashi thread it was just saying that the arguments the hiruzen fans used are not valid arguments. The only people that know about this thread is probably us 4 that replied. *sigh* anyway if anyone does another hiruzen post I am posting that post in their thread.
People cant say prime hiruzen this prime hiruzen that u have no evidence other than hype and a statement by iruka now i believe that hiruzen will die in his prime againts madra its only because his skills arent suited to fight madara like hashi
