Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
hiruzen was the strongest hokage !
show me him doing something impressive then
i saw him fighting 1st and 2nd hokage same time
2nd fired one jutsu then sat on his hands watching the whole time. hashirama fired two jutsu, one almost captured hiruzen and the other trapped him for good. furthermore, oro was watching, laughing and saying how the hokages were flat out toying with sarutobi
Even Orochimaru hailed him as the God of Shinobi
wrong. he said others used to call him god of shinobi. oro never said he agreed with the hypers
he was stated to be the strongest hokage konoha ever had. Just because the 4th and 1st are all hyped up doesn't disprove this
yes it does. if hes so strong how come hes done nothing in part 2 and gotten no people actually agreeing with irukas statement? whereas kabuto said everyone agrees no ones on hashiramas level anymore
No where in the manga does it state that minato or hashirama were the strongest hokages, only hiruzen.
lol we know they were stronger because they are such hyped up in part 2. not once in part 2 did anyone say "gee you know the third hokage? man he was strong!" kishi has changed his mind. he no longer considers the third as having any worth.
Why didn't Hashirama stop that?
1. he was being controlled as a mindless puppet
2. death god is invisible
3. he could have killed hiruzen any time but oro made him toy with him
Come on guys, Hashirama beat Madara who is considered one of the strongest shinobi in the world and also an Uchiha.
we dont know how he beat him or what actually happened. it could have been luck. it could have been just hashirama forming a strategy since he knew all of madaras moves and outsmarting him with clones
In that legendary battle, Madara has the eternal mangekyo shiringan, the kyuubi, and near the end , the Rinnegan. So tell me how is Prime Hiruzen stornger than Hashirama
no he didnt. he gained rinnegan at the very end of his life, and during the fight, lost kyuubi to hashirama.
he is even a descendent of the SO6P
so is obito
Hype dictates that Prime Hiruzen > All
hype dictates kabutos invincible and sasuke killed zabuza
Were only finding out about his powers in part 2
yeah and people apparently dismissed them as a myth
that is interesting as the kages are rated by raw power
since when is anything rated by raw power in naruto?
Too bad Kishi wrote Hiruzen > Hashi
when they fought each other, hashi toyed around and could have killed him
he already beat the first and second together with orochimaru on their side
if he had to kill himself, then its a draw. and oro won the fight. hes alive (albiet sealed) and third isnt. 1st and 2nd toyed and could have ended him had oro not been curious about third's new jutsu
I don't find Dan's word to be reliable.
well no one in the area disagreed. and if you dont find dan relibale then you dont find kabuto and iruka reliable.
He's completly clueless about this and is only going off of how Hashirama beat Madara.
then iruka is clueless when he claimed third was strongest of all
every jutsu hashirama and tobirama used, he knew about it... bringer of darkness, edo tensei , everything....
even if third knew about darkness genjutsu, he couldnt repel it. and it took him forever to come up with a way to escape mokuton.
nobody dared to say 1st>3rd until kabuto said he was a myth
meh. i was saying it still. the fight in part 1 was clearly in favour of 1st
The only reason it looks like Hashi and tobirama werent at full power in part 1 was because. In part 1 the fighting style was different
no they flat out werent full power
just tech spamming and who ever has the strongest one wins.
wrong. its still primarily about matchups and strategy. gai would have lost to kisame had he not been the perfect matchup for him. same with sasuke and deidara.
So yes Hiruzen is the best he just happened to have died before part so now he looks like a weaker kage then the 1st and 2nd.
but he is weaker. oro explicitly said the hokages were toying with him
. If hiruzen was THAT powerful everyone would be trying to steal his DNA and copy HIS powers.
he had nothing unique about him and sarutobi cells arent as useful as senju cells since only senju + uchiha = SO6P
With possibly the most obvious fact ever pointed out in the manga, Hiruzen remains the strongest hokage.
because iruka said so..right.
he never got to his prime lol
But when Sunagakure elders say that the third kazekage was by far the strongest kazekage they ever had.... Would you deny that?
theres no one for him to compete with besides gaara
