[Discussion] Who is the strongest Yonko?

[Punk Hazard]

Im talking portrayal here though.

Vista wasn't trying either.

Do you see Vista clashing with Kaidou or WB?
Do you see Crocodile clashing with Kaidou or WB?

Because Shanks is the same caliber as those guys.

Im not asking if Vista would be able to hold for a bit Im asking would Oda even draw characters this low against a Yonkou Captain like Shanks, WB, Kaidou, Big Mom. Do you think underlings like Vista and scrubs like Crocodile will even share panel time with those other guys?

And before you say anything, let me tell you Mihawk was chasing after Luffy, when anybody else came in the way guess what Mihawk did? He cut them down (example Daz). When Croc came? Mihawk didn't move past the same spot he didn't even try to go after Luffy, its like Croc was a big enough threat for him to put all his focus on, he gave up on chasing Luffy for that.

Whats the excuse there?

And is it really relevant Mihawk was aiming the attack at Luffy, Daz is the same guy Alabasta Zoro one shotted. Not to mention Mihawks second attack also didn't put him down?

Da heck Sabo made Bastille look like a fool no effort and Mihawk can't even put Daz down?

This is terrible portrayal for him compared to the real big guns.

Yes.

Croco only clashes with them if its the same case as Mihawk: they're purposefully holding back.

Oda has put Shanks on the same caliber as Mihawk by saying they had soars that WHITEBEARD thinks are legendary. So yeah, it wouldn't be a shock if Oda drew Shanks in a similar situation.

And Mihawk was underestimating Luffy. Not to mention it isn't implausible that surviving in Impel Down's harsh conditions made Daz Bones stronger to some degree. Mihawk was playing with Luffy.

What's your excuse for avoiding that clashes between Mihawk and Shanks are thought of by legendary by the strongest man in the world who lived through the Great Pirate Age?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Knew I shouldn't have brought Mihawk up. Lol prime example of why he's the most overrated based on what he's shown so far.

Its as simple as this. Can you see Shanks being portrayed the same way as Mihawk do you think Oda would put Shanks in these situations?

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You guys know for sure Guys like Vista wouldn't even be worth someone like Shank's time they wouldn't ever even be on the same panel. Shanks comes he is only dealing with guys like WB, to him Vista is not even noteworthy.

Do you see Crocodile stopping Shanks head on? Do you think Oda would put that in....I cant even imagine it. Not to mention Daz Bones blocking an attack.

Theres also this.

Sanji trained by Ivankov (Weakest)
Zoro trained by Mihawk (stronger)
Luffy trained by Rayleigh (strongest)

Oda always loves to do a hierarchy with the Monster trio, don't you find it weird he gave Luffy the weaker teacher? He usually always matches them up according to their levels and it certainly applied to Sanji and Zoro why not Luffy?

I believe Mihawk is stronger than what he has been portrayed to be, but for someone who is supposed to be on Shanks level he is mingling too much with the likes of Vista, Crocs and what not. We all know, no matter how much you deny it Shanks would never be put in any of those situations he only gets portrayed to clash with the very best not even guys like Aokiji and Kizaru are enough he needs to be there smack dab against the cream of the crop. Guys like Vista are a waste of time, regardless of how much effort Mihawk was putting in (I hope it was zero), the fact that hes matched up against people that low....c'mon now? Do you see WB even entertaining the notion of fighting someone like Vista.

Please answer this, can you see Vista clashing with WB, regardless of if hes trying or not? No... portrayal wise they don't even belong on the same panel, someone on Vistas level wouldn't even get a glance from WB. Same thing applies to Shanks.

Strictly off what he's shown portrayal wise has been tremendously under whelming compared to the Yonkou.

-Jozu was circumstantial because of his DF. Give Nami the diamond Nami and he cant get cut by Mihawk. Jozu also had the brute strength to redirect Mihawk's casual slash.

-Vista is probably stronger than people think. Oda said division numbers doesn't relate to strength and Mihawk himself said that he'd be a fool if he never heard of Vista and they casually fought on even ground.

-Against Croc, he simply parried a non-serious swing that was directed at Luffy.

-Against Daz, Mihawk sent a VERY weak slash(a casual swing with one arm) at Luffy and Daz stopped it, but got one shotted.

I think Shanks>Mihawk, but he would extreme diff him in my opinion.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yes.

Croco only clashes with them if its the same case as Mihawk: they're purposefully holding back.

Oda has put Shanks on the same caliber as Mihawk by saying they had soars that WHITEBEARD thinks are legendary. So yeah, it wouldn't be a shock if Oda drew Shanks in a similar situation.

And Mihawk was underestimating Luffy. Not to mention it isn't implausible that surviving in Impel Down's harsh conditions made Daz Bones stronger to some degree. Mihawk was playing with Luffy.

What's your excuse for avoiding that clashes between Mihawk and Shanks are thought of by legendary by the strongest man in the world who lived through the Great Pirate Age?

That is some serious hype. Now don't get me wrong I'm talking about on panel portrayal, not hype.

Hypewise Mihawk is on the level of Shanks, Akainu, those guys.

Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Legendary battles with Shanks
Zoro's EOS opponent.

BUT and this is why even I was confused during MF, his on screen portrayal is simply a tier below someone like Shanks or WB.

We both know WB would never be shown to clash with the guys Mihawk was clashing because they are insects to him.

Crocodile stopped Mihawk from going after Luffy, if Croc was simply a bug to Mihawk he would swat him away like he did Daz but they felt more like they were on the same tier if anything because he completely halted.

All in all

Mihawks hype = top 5
Mihawks on panel portrayal = severely below the Yonkou


@Vand
Once again you guys are looking into matchups too much, im simply saying Oda wouldn't draw a WB or any other Yonkou even in the same panel as those guys I mentioned. Cause they are simply not worth it.

And what do you have to say to Mihawk stopping his chase after Luffy because of Croc? If that doesn't imply Croc is a serious threat to him what does?

Also can you see Daz blocking anything and I mean anything from WB? No matter how weak it is You know as well as I do Oda wouldn't give Daz that feat over Shanks or WB...so im confused why against Mihawk.

Mihawk is really confusing to me, just as MF Croc is.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That is some serious hype. Now don't get me wrong I'm talking about on panel portrayal, not hype.

Hypewise Mihawk is on the level of Shanks, Akainu, those guys.

Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Legendary battles with Shanks
Zoro's EOS opponent.

BUT and this is why even I was confused during MF, his on screen portrayal is simply a tier below someone like Shanks or WB.

We both know WB would never be shown to clash with the guys Mihawk was clashing because they are insects to him.

Crocodile stopped Mihawk from going after Luffy, if Croc was simply a bug to Mihawk he would swat him away like he did Daz but they felt more like they were on the same tier if anything because he completely halted.

All in all

Mihawks hype = top 5
Mihawks on panel portrayal = severely below the Yonkou


@Vand
Once again you guys are looking into matchups too much, im simply saying Oda wouldn't draw a WB or any other Yonkou even in the same panel as those guys I mentioned. Cause they are simply not worth it.

And what do you have to say to Mihawk stopping his chase after Luffy because of Croc? If that doesn't imply Croc is a serious threat to him what does?

And what has Shanks done on screen that puts him above Mihawk? He clashed with WB, but that's because WB's crew was gone at the time. Had the crew been there, he'd have been intercepted just like Mihawk was.

On screen portrayal puts Vista on a level that Mihawk finds worth acknowledging. It also puts Vista on the level of clashing and stalling Shanks for some time. On screen portrayal puts Shanks and Mihawk on the same level because Mihawk could efficiently and consistently duel Shanks, which warranted the strongest man who lived through the greatest pirate age to make note of it as legendary. So on screen potrayals lead to Vista being able to stall these men and clash with them to some degree.

You have no idea what happened after Crocodile stopped a non-serious parry because IIRC, it cuts away after that scene. You have no idea what happened next. I also suppose though that Akainu is weak because Crocodile stopped him from pursuing Jinbei and Luffy as well, right?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

That is some serious hype. Now don't get me wrong I'm talking about on panel portrayal, not hype.

Hypewise Mihawk is on the level of Shanks, Akainu, those guys.

Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Legendary battles with Shanks
Zoro's EOS opponent.

BUT and this is why even I was confused during MF, his on screen portrayal is simply a tier below someone like Shanks or WB.

We both know WB would never be shown to clash with the guys Mihawk was clashing because they are insects to him.

Crocodile stopped Mihawk from going after Luffy, if Croc was simply a bug to Mihawk he would swat him away like he did Daz but they felt more like they were on the same tier if anything because he completely halted.

All in all

Mihawks hype = top 5
Mihawks on panel portrayal = severely below the Yonkou


@Vand
Once again you guys are looking into matchups too much, im simply saying Oda wouldn't draw a WB or any other Yonkou even in the same panel as those guys I mentioned. Cause they are simply not worth it.

And what do you have to say to Mihawk stopping his chase after Luffy because of Croc? If that doesn't imply Croc is a serious threat to him what does?

Also can you see Daz blocking anything and I mean anything from WB? No matter how weak it is You know as well as I do Oda wouldn't give Daz that feat over Shanks or WB...so im confused why against Mihawk.

Mihawk is really confusing to me, just as MF Croc is.

Mihawk and Shanks fought to a draw in very single battle they had before Shanks lost his arm. That alone directly implies that Mihawk is atleast EQUAL to Shanks.

If WB used a really weak attack, Daz Bones, Buggy or Nami can potentially stop or dodge it. Luffy had a brief fist fight with Vivi so is she ion his level?

Crocodile is simply underrated because of Alabasta and I don't see why people are confused. Croc didn't use his sand powers in his 3rd fight with Luffy, got tackled by Jozu because of a sneak attack, parried a casual swing of Mihawk's that wasn't even aimed at him and sneak attacked Akainu but didn't scratch him.

 

[ToshiZO]

And what has Shanks done on screen that puts him above Mihawk? He clashed with WB, but that's because WB's crew was gone at the time. Had the crew been there, he'd have been intercepted just like Mihawk was.

On screen portrayal puts Vista on a level that Mihawk finds worth acknowledging. It also puts Vista on the level of clashing and stalling Shanks for some time. On screen portrayal puts Shanks and Mihawk on the same level because Mihawk could efficiently and consistently duel Shanks, which warranted the strongest man who lived through the greatest pirate age to make note of it as legendary. So on screen potrayals lead to Vista being able to stall these men and clash with them to some degree.

You have no idea what happened after Crocodile stopped a non-serious parry because IIRC, it cuts away after that scene. You have no idea what happened next. I also suppose though that Akainu is weak because Crocodile stopped him from pursuing Jinbei and Luffy as well, right?

No you are wrong. Crocodile indeed did stop Akainu for a bit(from behind mind you) But the entire WB crew came to back him up which is why Akainu couldn't continue to chase Luffy.

Against Mihawk Crocodile was there alone you can make whatever up you want, Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy only because of Croc no one else.

You wanna know what Shanks has on panel?

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Notice how these guys arent Croc or Vista.

This is what Vista amounts to infront of a cream of the crop top tier

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Even trying to cheapshot him has him simply irritated, he isn't even a factor. Marco is a top tier simply because of his defensive capabilities so don't even try to bring up his offense.

Against Akainu Vista looked like a bug.

Vista wasn't even worth fighting an Admiral.

It went like this

WB vs Akainu
Marco vs Kizaru
Aokiji vs Jozu

Jozu is more or less on Doflamingo's level. At best he is a bit stronger. What does that make Vista? Sorry dude, no matter how much you try to pad Vista he is canonically weaker than Jozu and Jozu himself isn't really a set top tier.

Mihawk and Shanks fought to a draw in very single battle they had before Shanks lost his arm. That alone directly implies that Mihawk is atleast EQUAL to Shanks.

If WB used a really weak attack, Daz Bones, Buggy or Nami can potentially stop or dodge it. Luffy had a brief fist fight with Vivi so is she ion his level?

Crocodile is simply underrated because of Alabasta and I don't see why people are confused. Croc didn't use his sand powers in his 3rd fight with Luffy, got tackled by Jozu because of a sneak attack, parried a casual swing of Mihawk's that wasn't even aimed at him and sneak attacked Akainu but didn't scratch him.

That doesn't mean much dude, you know how much time went by? And that certainly doesn't mean much since a damn fish even managed to take his damn arm.

Smoker was > Pre skip Luffy? 2 Years later what does that mean? Except this isnt two years its much more.

Now you're really trying to reach. Im asking you not IF they could do it Im saying WOULD they? Would Croc clash like that with WB? Would Vista clash with WB? No because Oda clearly sets them apart portrayal wise.

Basically replace WB or another Yonkou with where Mihawk was and its clear they wouldn't be placed in the same situation.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

No you are wrong. Crocodile indeed did stop Akainu for a bit(from behind mind you) But the entire WB crew came to back him up which is why Akainu couldn't continue to chase Luffy.

Against Mihawk Crocodile was there alone you can make whatever up you want, Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy only because of Croc no one else.

You wanna know what Shanks has on panel?

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Notice how these guys arent Croc or Vista.

This is what Vista amounts to infront of a cream of the crop top tier

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Even trying to cheapshot him has him simply irritated, he isn't even a factor. Marco is a top tier simply because of his defensive capabilities so don't even try to bring up his offense.

Against Akainu Vista looked like a bug.

Vista wasn't even worth fighting an Admiral.

It went like this

WB vs Akainu
Marco vs Kizaru
Aokiji vs Jozu

Jozu is more or less on Doflamingo's level. At best he is a bit stronger. What does that make Vista? Sorry dude, no matter how much you try to pad Vista he is canonically weaker than Jozu and Jozu himself isn't really a set top tier.


That doesn't mean much dude, you know how much time went by? And that certainly doesn't mean much since a damn fish even managed to take his damn arm.

Smoker was > Pre skip Luffy? 2 Years later what does that mean? Except this isnt two years its much more.

Now you're really trying to reach. Im asking you not IF they could do it Im saying WOULD they? Would Croc clash like that with WB? Would Vista clash with WB? No because Oda clearly sets them apart portrayal wise.

Basically replace WB or another Yonkou with where Mihawk was and its clear they wouldn't be placed in the same situation.

So your gonna ignore the duels? If me saying Mihawk is that strong is baseless, then you assuming that Shanks surpassed Mihawk is baseless as well.

Actually, Luffy has always been stronger than Smoker. Smoker was just had a logia advantage against a haki-less fighter.

You say Akainu made Vista look like an ant but uhhh.....same goes for Marco who fought Kizaru. Vista fought Mihawk.

So because Oda didn't make Croc or Vista fight the obviously superior WB.....hold on....what are you trying to say? Mihawk wasn't even serious against the people he clashed with. If anyone who clashed with Mihawk clashed WB, they'd get blown away if WB was serious. If he wasn't serious and was only serious a certain percentage of his power, they CAN clash. Get my point?

 

[ToshiZO]

So your gonna ignore the duels? If me saying Mihawk is that strong is baseless, then you assuming that Shanks surpassed Mihawk is baseless as well.

Actually, Luffy has always been stronger than Smoker. Smoker was just had a logia advantage against a haki-less fighter.

You say Akainu made Vista look like an ant but uhhh.....same goes for Marco who fought Kizaru. Vista fought Mihawk.

So because Oda didn't make Croc or Vista fight the obviously superior WB.....hold on....what are you trying to say? Mihawk wasn't even serious against the people he clashed with. If anyone who clashed with Mihawk clashed WB, they'd get blown away if WB was serious. If he wasn't serious and was only serious a certain percentage of his power, they CAN clash. Get my point?

I get your point but you cant seem to get mine. Im talking through Odas perspective he wouldn't put those characters matched up with WB.

1.Mihawk stopped chasing Luffy due to Croc meaning he saw him as a threat
2. Vista is at best weaker than Jozu.
3. You said at best they are equals counting battles over ten years ago. Are Moriah and Kaido equals too? Cause at one point Moriah was implied to be on Kaidous level. Ok forget Luffy vs Smoker, lets talk Luffy vs anyone on Jimbeis level, 2 years ago he gets one shotted. Different characters have different growth levels, nothing points at Mihawk and Shanks being exactly on the same level 15-20 years later lol. At one point Shanks was on Buggy's level.

Anyways I didn't want to start discussing all this other stuff, simply his portrayal has been against commanders and guys like Croc. Vista should be weaker than the likes of Doflamingo and yet he didn't even look worried against Mihawk, they both didn't seem to be putting in their full effort.

No doubt Portrayal wise Mihawk got the short end of the stick. I'm hoping he is Shanks level, I really am. He's one of my favourite characters but I can't ignore the difference in portrayal between him and Shanks atm. We shouldn't even have to be arguing on guys like Crocodile and Daz Bones but here we are.

I want to believe Mihawk would give Shanks high-extreme difficulty, but based on strictly portrayal as of now he doesn't do that. Hype wise he certainly does.

Hopefully he gets to redeem himself later on just like Croc was able to during the war.

You most likely aren't getting a reply from me past this. Mihawk vs Shanks debate is a lot of speculation and its getting old at this point. We'll just see how it plays out later on.

 

[abdulmanjoo1]

shanks

 

[Bogard]

no matter how much you deny it Shanks would never be put in any of those situations he only gets portrayed to clash with the very best

You say he can't draw Shanks in those situations? Isn't he the one who drew a Shanks being insulted by Marco? Or worse, Buggy? Isn't he the one who drew Shanks being ridiculed by a random like Higuma? Isn't he the one who drew Shanks losing an arm to a fish Luffy one shotted? Portrayal is a subjective way to debate. You're too fixated to portrayal and miss completely context scenarios in a war contest. There is only WB in the WB pirates. If WB is already fighting someone, who will fight the rest?

 

[A v i]

Mihawk has no reason to go all out at MF where as Akainu was fighting by putting his life on the line. There is a vast difference in their resolve to fight at MF. He was merely hanging around and observing Luffy while killing time.

 

[Bogard]

Mihawk has no reason to go all out at MF where as Akainu was fighting by putting his life on the line. There is a vast difference in their resolve to fight at MF. He was merely hanging around and observing Luffy while killing time.

I mean even after countless hours of fighting in marineford, he didn't even shed a single drop of sweat, let alone dust on his body

 

[ToshiZO]

You say he can't draw Shanks in those situations? Isn't he the one who drew a Shanks being insulted by Marco? Or worse, Buggy? Isn't he the one who drew Shanks being ridiculed by a random like Higuma? Isn't he the one who drew Shanks losing an arm to a fish Luffy one shotted? Portrayal is a subjective way to debate. You're too fixated to portrayal and miss completely context scenarios in a war contest. There is only WB in the WB pirates. If WB is already fighting someone, who will fight the rest?

Listen Shanks losing his arm to a fish was before he was who he is today. Shanks losing his arm to a fish works against you since he had the battles with Mihawk before he lost his arm, so thats an even weaker version of Shanks.

And lol if you think Buggy is legit portrayal...Did you see me bring up the point that Mihawk couldn't cut Buggy? No because that's clearly for comedic effect.

Lol Marco? Do you not realize Marco was standing on the side like an underling and letting Shanks deal with the big Boss, cause he knows he isn't worth Shanks' time. Lets be real here.

Shanks is not being stopped by Croc.

Shanks is definitely not trading blows with someone who is at best weaker than Jozu. Vista isn't even a factor when it comes to taking on an Admiral, its possible Vista was on Ace's level.

Mihawk said he wanted to test the true difference between him(as a shichibukai) and WB and then an underling stops him from reaching WB, which means his slash couldn't make it to the top, this signifies something.

Also at Mihawk not taking any damage lol.

Boa Hancock never took any damage either, who was Mihawk fighting for him to take damage? Doflamingo didn't sweat once at all either granted he is powerful but so what? The Shichibukai weren't even doing anything.

I know Mihawk wasn't going all out but with characters like these you got to look at how they are portrayed when they are matched up against other characters.

 

[Bogard]

Listen Shanks losing his arm to a fish was before he was who he is today. Shanks losing his arm to a fish works against you since he had the battles with Mihawk before he lost his arm, so thats an even weaker version of Shanks.

And lol if you think Buggy is legit portrayal...Did you see me bring up the point that Mihawk couldn't cut Buggy? No because that's clearly for comedic effect.

Lol Marco? Do you not realize Marco was standing on the side like an underling and letting Shanks deal with the big Boss, cause he knows he isn't worth Shanks' time. Lets be real here.

Shanks is not being stopped by Croc.

Shanks is definitely not trading blows with someone who is at best weaker than Jozu. Vista isn't even a factor when it comes to taking on an Admiral, its possible Vista was on Ace's level.

Mihawk said he wanted to test the true difference between him(as a shichibukai) and WB and then an underling stops him from reaching WB, which means his slash couldn't make it to the top, this signifies something.

Also at Mihawk not taking any damage lol.

Boa Hancock never took any damage either, who was Mihawk fighting for him to take damage? Doflamingo didn't sweat once at all either granted he is powerful but so what? The Shichibukai weren't even doing anything.

I know Mihawk wasn't going all out but with characters like these you got to look at how they are portrayed when they are matched up against other characters.

That Shanks was strong enough to have legendary battles with Mihawk according to WB of all people, he was strong enough that everyone in the New World including WB was shocked he came back while missing an arm, yet he still had the portrayal of someone losing an arm to something EB Luffy one shotted, so not really. If that Shanks had this type of bad portrayal back in EB, nothing i say nothing proves you that Oda can't make Shanks clash against those people

Yes Marco. He is the one who told Shanks to shut up. He went back under WB's orders because they wanted to discuss important matters

Kizaru was blocked by Marco on the same scene. So he is weaker than Marco? That same Kizaru is the one who shot lazers on WB(albeit heavily wounded WB)

Doflamingo actually had few marks on him:

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[ToshiZO]

That Shanks was strong enough to have legendary battles with Mihawk according to WB of all people, he was strong enough that everyone in the New World including WB was shocked he came back while missing an arm, yet he still had the portrayal of someone losing an arm to something EB Luffy one shotted, so not really. If that Shanks had this type of bad portrayal back in EB, nothing i say nothing proves you that Oda can't make Shanks clash against those people

Yes Marco. He is the one who told Shanks to shut up. He went back under WB's orders because they wanted to discuss important matters

Kizaru was blocked by Marco on the same scene. So he is weaker than Marco? That same Kizaru is the one who shot lazers on WB(albeit heavily wounded WB)

Doflamingo actually had few marks on him:

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Lol what don't you get Im only speaking on behalf of the Yonkou Shanks. Ever since he's been introduced as a Yonkou. Otherwise I would have brought up the whole deal with the fish.

Hold up there, who said Mihawk is weaker than Jozu? I said simply his portrayal was lower than that of Shanks because of that.

Also was Kizaru talking about measuring his distance with WB? Mihawk certainly was and he was denied access to WB, in other words its almost the same as the saying "your sword won't reach me". Mihawk also had no reason to hold back against WB, was he going full out? No but certainly with that attack he didn't pull back on it.

And Marco told Shanks to shut up? He was sent back to where he belonged like an underling. That was actually good portrayal for both. It showed Marco is strong enough to hang with the big boys but it also showed Shanks is clearly superior as he was almost teasing

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To him Marco was sort of a quick glance over he hardly would have taken notice of Marco if he hadn't talked. This only helps Shanks portrayal even more.


And once again you guys keep dodging this quesiton.

Mihawk was cutting everyone down in his path to get to Luffy. Then why did he stop when Crocodile showed up? There is no other valid reason than Croc requires his attention, so he couldn't continue on with his chase.

Good catch on the Doflamingo part though.

 

[Bogard]

Lol what don't you get Im only speaking on behalf of the Yonkou Shanks. Ever since he's been introduced as a Yonkou. Otherwise I would have brought up the whole deal with the fish.

Hold up there, who said Mihawk is weaker than Jozu? I said simply his portrayal was lower than that of Shanks because of that.

Also was Kizaru talking about measuring his distance with WB? Mihawk certainly was and he was denied access to WB, in other words its almost the same as the saying "your sword won't reach me". Mihawk also had no reason to hold back against WB, was he going full out? No but certainly with that attack he didn't pull back on it.

And Marco told Shanks to shut up? He was sent back to where he belonged like an underling. That was actually good portrayal for both. It showed Marco is strong enough to hang with the big boys but it also showed Shanks is clearly superior as he was almost teasing

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To him Marco was sort of a quick glance over he hardly would have taken notice of Marco if he hadn't talked. This only helps Shanks portrayal even more.


And once again you guys keep dodging this quesiton.

Mihawk was cutting everyone down in his path to get to Luffy. Then why did he stop when Crocodile showed up? There is no other valid reason than Croc requires his attention, so he couldn't continue on with his chase.

Good catch on the Doflamingo part though.

You're the one not getting the point. Besides the fact we actually don't know if he was yonko back then or not, my point is that strength has nothing to do with portrayal considering EB Shanks was miles ahead of EB Luffy, yet EB Luffy had superior portrayal over him

How is that? Marco said it himself when blocking Kizaru's attack. They weren't disposed to leave the king(WB) getting attacked first. If Shanks was in a war scenario and similar situation as Mihawk, same thing would have happened to him

And? Nothing proves it's with that no name attack that he was trying to measure the distance. Most likely it was an opener before realising that before facing WB, he'd have to go through his subordinates. Kizaru actually used his strongest named attack seen on panel however

It was just to show you how character interaction doesn't always mean something

As for the Crocodile part? Are you perhaps forgetting that they were both shichibukais? They most likely had a past with one another, with Mihawk feeling nostalgic just like in the Doffy-Crocodile case

You're also dodging the point where i said Mihawk had superior portrayal over yonko Shanks when they first met in the manga. Walking alone in an island where yonko Shanks is with his subordinates terrified to see Mihawk to the point of losing breath to speak despite their yonko captain being around, with their yonko captain trying to avoid battle pretexting a bad mood with Mihawk downplaying by saying he isn't interested in fighting him anymore ever since he lost his arm

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kizaru and Akainu clashed with WB at the same level of success due to the same reason(Whitebeard's injuries and illnesses catching him). That is an about even portrayal, due to the common factor of Whitebeard.

Kizaru and Marco stalemated. This is an even portrayal due to the clash against each other.

Marco and Vista each landed attacks that had little effect on Akainu. This puts Marco and Vista at about even portrayal with Akainu as the common factor.

This means Vista had even portrayal in a clash with someone who had equal portrayal to Kizaru in a clash who had equal portrayal to Akainu in a clash. Going by clash portrayals, as Toshi wants to do so heavily, Vista has had tandem portrayal with the likes of Kizaru and Akainu.

 

[ssjelf]

Kizaru and Akainu clashed with WB at the same level of success due to the same reason(Whitebeard's injuries and illnesses catching him). That is an about even portrayal, due to the common factor of Whitebeard.

Kizaru and Marco stalemated. This is an even portrayal due to the clash against each other.

Marco and Vista each landed attacks that had little effect on Akainu. This puts Marco and Vista at about even portrayal with Akainu as the common factor.

This means Vista had even portrayal in a clash with someone who had equal portrayal to Kizaru in a clash who had equal portrayal to Akainu in a clash. Going by clash portrayals, as Toshi wants to do so heavily, Vista has had tandem portrayal with the likes of Kizaru and Akainu.

Sorry I'm not entirely following this argument so forgive me if I am a bit off topic, but are you saying that (by clashes at least) vista=marco=kizaru=akainu again only in so far as to how effective they were in clashing. The only problem i see with this is that the clash of vista and marco again akainu clearly put them lower than akainu but by following a=b=c logic then they are equal to akainu? Again sorry if I am misunderstanding.

Would you also say that vista was evenly clashing with Mihawk? Would that mean by clashes only of course that because Shanks was able to stop akainus attack that mihawk=vista<(akainu= shanks) ? or is your point to suggest this is a bad way of doing match ups?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sorry I'm not entirely following this argument so forgive me if I am a bit off topic, but are you saying that (by clashes at least) vista=marco=kizaru=akainu again only in so far as to how effective they were in clashing. The only problem i see with this is that the clash of vista and marco again akainu clearly put them lower than akainu but by following a=b=c logic then they are equal to akainu? Again sorry if I am misunderstanding.

Would you also say that vista was evenly clashing with Mihawk? Would that mean by clashes only of course that because Shanks was able to stop akainus attack that mihawk=vista<(akainu= shanks) ? or is your point to suggest this is a bad way of doing match ups?

To your first paragraph, I was not saying that in that they are equal to each other 100%. Clashes are a pretty bad way to go on, especially if they are just one or two hits, but that's what this thread is going on. Based on clashes, those men are in tandem. What that means is, if any one fought the other, it'd be some form of extreme diff win, whether it goes either way or one person is definitely the winner.

As for Vista and Mihawk, I'd say they were clashing evenly, but it also appears as though Mihawk was significantly holding back during the war. My guess is after attacking Whitebeard was intercepted, Mihawk realized he could probably have some fun by clashing with some of these strong guys. It's also safe to assume that Vista wasn't going fully all out either because he was enjoying clashing with Mihawk(he was all smiles and said swordsmen yearn to fight him. Now imagine being able to hold your own, the yearning has to be higher, right?) and he was in war, exhausting himself on one fight isn't smart. I wouldn't say the clashes are a good way to test character power unless it's a one on one setting where they are doing so for a while.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Come on shanks stopped kaidou and his fleet fron killing whitebeard, shanks stopped the war of the best plus to all the yonkou so far he his the youngest and probably only near mids of his prime

if an admiral fight lasts 10 days do u honestly think shanks and kaido fought ?????????.. lol if so shanks would have def not been able to make it there in time -.- .. which is prob why kaido decided not to go through with his plan because if he fought shanks he would have not been able to get into the war in time...