[Discussion] Who is the strongest Yonko?
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Lol yes the ****? Kaido ain't even their first post time skip enemy. Did you just skip over Caesar, Hody, the Pacifista, Doflamingo, Vergo, Monet, the Big Mom ship, the New Fishman Pirates, and the Donquixote Pirates?
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I already gave my interpretation of that.
It doesn't say that Kaido is strongest pirate (that was MP's wrong translation and I see people still using it), MS got it right, which VIZ prove that.
It says "Out of all living things/organisms, he is said to be the strongest creature", creature is problem here.
Creature refer to animal, humans are usually excluded from term 'animal'. If Oda wanted to give Kaido 'the strongest' vibe why didn't he just said "out of all organisms, he is said to be the strongest"?
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, which is one more for why I think it was just referred to Kaido being strongest zoan user.I think he wanted to say that Kaido will be first Yonko to fall by Luffy.
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Mfw people think two top tiers can fight without the other being severely injured, much less having no scratches at all.
It's obvious Shanks and Kaido didn't fight.
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Shanks is such an overrated character. People try to find excuses to make Shanks stronger than Old WB, Mihawk, and Kaido, even though all of their titles put them above Shanks.
are you trolling or do you actually believe Shanks could defeat another Yonkou without receiving so much as a scratch? Lmfao if this were the case Shanks would low diff Prime Roger.
And yes Shanks could have convinced Kaido somehow, nowhere did it state he defeated him, he was going to intercept him we have no idea what happened.
Honestly Mihawk is probably the most overrated character. People think he is stronger than Yonkous like Shanks making him PK level, when he has portrayal and feats on the level of underlings of Yonkou. But I do have hope for him, don't know what Oda was doing with him at the war.
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There's no such thing as PK level because becoming Pirate King isn't accomplished by strength.
Portrayal? His portrayal is the World's Strongest Swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, that puts him above Shanks. He regularly sparred with Shanks, and their clashes were described as legendary by Whitebeard himself. How is that possible if they're not on the same level?
I know there isn't. But that sounds really dumb ofcourse PK is accomplished by strength lol..... Either way It just means he's Roger level.
And no....lol his portrayal is definitely lower than Shanks.
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How was he portrayed lower? He had the second greatest destructive feat during that war, only behind WB and what makes it even more impressive is that it was a casual after-effect. Because he couldn't one shot a veteran top commander in a few seconds clash? Well we've no idea of his real intents. Besides, i would be disappointed if at least the veteran top commanders couldn't hold their own considering WB pirates isn't only made of WB. If WB was the only powerhouse in the WB pirates, then there was no reason for WB pirates to even think about freeing Ace against the amount of top tiers they were facing, hence why the top commanders(Marco, Jozu, Vista) at least were showed to be able to contend with top tiers.
Oda put WB, Shanks and Mihawk in the same breath during an SBS
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Only difference being that Mihawk's title puts him above Shanks. And if you really care about portrayal that much, well, Mihawk was portrayed stronger than Shanks during their first manga meeting(when he came to show Luffy's bounty)
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No it's not. Becoming Pirate King has everything to do with the strength, skill, knowledge and reliability of your crew. You could be the World's Strongest Man, and you wouldn't become PK without one.
No, it's not. Once again, his portrayal is the strongest of everyone who carries the title of being a swordsman. What is Shanks?
It has been said that the yonkou are the four strongest pirates, what is Mihawk? The shichibukai were introduced as pirates. It wouldn't make sense that mihawk is stronger than shanks becasue he is also a pirate and it is said that the yonkou are the strongest pirates.
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There is obviously some contradiction here that we don't have enough info to resolve yet. I am not necessarily disagreeing here but still there is some confusion. If you got something that can clear this up in the form of a scan that would be great.
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There is no contraction. Yonkos have something other pirates don't have, which is called power of influence. In the same picture you posted, Garp even added that. They have greater military force, territories, allies, influence than any other pirates, making them the most powerful. Doesn't necessarily go in hand with individual strength. Obama has more power than Mayweather but Mayweather is stronger than him. Or even in the actual one piece manga where Krieg was the most powerful pirate in East Blue(due to his military force and influence in East Blue) eventhough Arlong was considered individually stronger. Not saying they are weak though, but i'm just showing an example.
On the other side, the title of world strongest man that a yonko(WB) possessed is what showed his individual strength. The title of World strongest living thing that another yonko(Kaido) possessed showed his individual strength. Similarly, the title of WSS that Mihawk possess shows his individual strength. Note however that Shanks wasn't introduced with a world title and coincidently, he is a rival to Mihawk who has the title. It may suggest that he is the second strongest swordsman(testament of his strength), but unlike Mihawk, has a crew, territories which allowed him to gain the title of yonko
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I doubt some minor spar can be described as legendary. They didn't go all out, but you know they were cutting loose.
Their crew isnt mentioned once. It is referring to them as individuals. Garp explains that out of all pirates these are the strongest. Pirates are individuals, crews are not mentioned. Therefore out of all the individual pirates, these 4 are the most powerful pirates. He even says that they rule like emperors and are thus names as 4 emperors. last I checked the crew itself was not an emperor, the captains were. for instance marco is the 1st squad leader of a yonko, he isnt part of a yonko, he is the subordinate of one meaning that the term yonko is for individuals and therefore garp was referring to their individual power. Not what they have via their crew.
One piece isn't American politics. If I were to say Mike Tyson is more powerful than Floyd Mayweather you know that I am saying who wins a fight. In one piece, a shonen manga about fighting, discussing power is analogous to discussing strength. The yonkous power has brought them influence in the world. When I say one pirate is more powerful then that one pirate wins the fight. You are bringing this into semantics.
The main thing which disproves your argument is that Garp made a distinction between power and influence. Your argument would basically say that "their influence is so influential." which is a bit redundant. Rather Garp their power is so influential... So there's a distinction between power and influence and because their crews were never mentioned, then it is their individual power (interchangeable for strength, clearly not for influence) that had given them influence.
As a final note, because this power thing is really semantics, we would need the connotations of the raw japanese words.
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Knew I shouldn't have brought Mihawk up. Lol prime example of why he's the most overrated based on what he's shown so far.
Its as simple as this. Can you see Shanks being portrayed the same way as Mihawk do you think Oda would put Shanks in these situations?
Stopped by
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Attack blocked by Daz
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Even after recieving Mihawks attack he seems to be getting back
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You guys know for sure Guys like Vista wouldn't even be worth someone like Shank's time they wouldn't ever even be on the same panel. Shanks comes he is only dealing with guys like WB, to him Vista is not even noteworthy.
Do you see Crocodile stopping Shanks head on? Do you think Oda would put that in....I cant even imagine it. Not to mention Daz Bones blocking an attack.
Theres also this.
Sanji trained by Ivankov (Weakest)
Zoro trained by Mihawk (stronger)
Luffy trained by Rayleigh (strongest)
Oda always loves to do a hierarchy with the Monster trio, don't you find it weird he gave Luffy the weaker teacher? He usually always matches them up according to their levels and it certainly applied to Sanji and Zoro why not Luffy?
I believe Mihawk is stronger than what he has been portrayed to be, but for someone who is supposed to be on Shanks level he is mingling too much with the likes of Vista, Crocs and what not. We all know, no matter how much you deny it Shanks would never be put in any of those situations he only gets portrayed to clash with the very best not even guys like Aokiji and Kizaru are enough he needs to be there smack dab against the cream of the crop. Guys like Vista are a waste of time, regardless of how much effort Mihawk was putting in (I hope it was zero), the fact that hes matched up against people that low....c'mon now? Do you see WB even entertaining the notion of fighting someone like Vista.
Please answer this, can you see Vista clashing with WB, regardless of if hes trying or not? No... portrayal wise they don't even belong on the same panel, someone on Vistas level wouldn't even get a glance from WB. Same thing applies to Shanks.
Strictly off what he's shown portrayal wise has been tremendously under whelming compared to the Yonkou.
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Yes actually. I can see Vista stalling Shanks a bit. Mihawk complimented his skills. I also see Jozu being able to stall Shanks. As for Daz Bones, he stopped an attack meant for Luffy, someone Mihawk wasn't trying against. Same as Crocodile. But once Mihawk saw the attack was too weak, he adjusted it. He was underestimating Luffy. Daz wasn't getting back up, he was done.
The training thing means nothing in terms of strength. Those were simply random assortment by Kuma.
Shanks and Mihawk had legendary soars. That is not possible if Mihawk was weaker than his level. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman. That puts him above Shanks.
Im talking portrayal here though.
Vista wasn't trying either.
Do you see Vista clashing with Kaidou or WB?
Do you see Crocodile clashing with Kaidou or WB?
Because Shanks is the same caliber as those guys.
Im not asking if Vista would be able to hold for a bit Im asking would Oda even draw characters this low against a Yonkou Captain like Shanks, WB, Kaidou, Big Mom. Do you think underlings like Vista and scrubs like Crocodile will even share panel time with those other guys?
And before you say anything, let me tell you Mihawk was chasing after Luffy, when anybody else came in the way guess what Mihawk did? He cut them down (example Daz). When Croc came? Mihawk didn't move past the same spot he didn't even try to go after Luffy, its like Croc was a big enough threat for him to put all his focus on, he gave up on chasing Luffy for that.
Whats the excuse there?
And is it really relevant Mihawk was aiming the attack at Luffy, Daz is the same guy Alabasta Zoro one shotted. Not to mention Mihawks second attack also didn't put him down?
Da heck Sabo made Bastille look like a fool no effort and Mihawk can't even put Daz down?
This is terrible portrayal for him compared to the real big guns.