dude ur the dumbest guy in the forums, its either u just skim thru the manga and believe wat ever it says or ur just retarded as ****.Orochimaru...When jiraya can take oro + 1st + 2nd, askk this question
u keep bringing up old fights that clearly didnt show wat the 1st and 2nd hokages were capable of, and then u wanna talk about itachi
who paralyzed weak ass orochimaru with a simple genjutsu,
and when itachi and kisame were talking about jiraiya everyone knows itachi was just lying cause he didnt really wanna capture naruto,
no one actually thinks jiraiya can beat itachi unless they are retarded, you just dumb son