Who is the best in Genjutsu?

[OnPoint]

Since when does 'best' equate to 'knowing the most'? Is Hiruzen the best since he was said to be a master of a thousand illusions? Exactly. Is Jiraiya the best because he possess Gamarinsho (a technique which 'invokes the most powerful genjutsu')? Thought so. People should really explain what they actually mean by 'best'.

 

[Frikid]

tobi > shisui > itachi. (in terms of genjutsu)

Itachi's best genjutsu : tsukiyomi. (can be broken by a perfect jinchuriki)
Shisui's best genjutsu : Kotoamatsukami (can be broken by a perfect jinchuriki)
Tobi's Best genjutsu : Controlled a perfect jinchuriki and trolled a whole village.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Shisui
2. Itachi

^^ Every Uchiha

 

[-Logic-]

That doesn't mean your not wrong. Shisui and Itachi was known as the clans 2 best shinobi at the time. How do you know Itachi better, like you said we never saw Shisui in a battle. From what I read and understood Shisui had his MS b4 Itachi. So while Shisui was alive he was a better Genjutsu user than Itachi. Years went by and Itachi learned how to use his MS more while being entrusted with Shisui(Most Power) eye. How can someone known nation wide for his genjutsu skills be so underratted

Fair point man.

But the thing I'm trying to show is that we don't know about Shisui... so why should we assume he is better?

As I clearly outlined, "FROM WHAT WE KNOW". Shisui could be better but... he isn't, from what we know.

 

[The Scion of Hentai]

Who the hell said that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is only breakable by other Uchiha?
You really do take fanboy-ism to another level don't you -Completely Illogic-san.
It's been said that a Perfect Jinchuuriki can easily break out of a Tsukuyomi, whether it's Sasuke's or Itachi's doesn't matter squat.
Another example of Kotoamatsukami is the fact that it managed to break Itachi out of Edo Tensei even when it was said that Kabuto's control over the bodies was absolute.
Also, unlike Tsukuyomi, Koto can be performed without any eye contact at all allowing Shisui to put Itachi's sorry ass under his control easily.
OT: Shisui is a master of genjutsu.....no doubt....

 

[Henrik]

''Shisui was one of the few members in the clan's history that was able to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan. It granted him access to powerful genjutsu techniques, the strongest of which was a unique genjutsu noted to be of the highest calibre: Kotoamatsukami. This technique allowed him to enter a person's mind and manipulate them by giving them false experiences, making it seem as if they were doing things on their own free will; the victim wouldn't even notice they were being manipulated.''

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Shisui, Then itachi.

 

[Kinimaster]

Who the hell said that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is only breakable by other Uchiha?
You really do take fanboy-ism to another level don't you -Completely Illogic-san.
It's been said that a Perfect Jinchuuriki can easily break out of a Tsukuyomi, whether it's Sasuke's or Itachi's doesn't matter squat.
Another example of Kotoamatsukami is the fact that it managed to break Itachi out of Edo Tensei even when it was said that Kabuto's control over the bodies was absolute.
Also, unlike Tsukuyomi, Koto can be performed without any eye contact at all allowing Shisui to put Itachi's sorry ass under his control easily.
OT: Shisui is a master of genjutsu.....no doubt....

Kid learn your stuff, Tsukuyomi can only be broke by an a Uchiha, not even perfect jinchuriki could, there is even a manga page of Naruto warning Bee of Tsukuyomi. And it only makes sense, whats the point on breaking a genjutsu that inflicted the damage instantly?

 

[Zato]

Who the hell said that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is only breakable by other Uchiha?
You really do take fanboy-ism to another level don't you -Completely Illogic-san.
It's been said that a Perfect Jinchuuriki can easily break out of a Tsukuyomi, whether it's Sasuke's or Itachi's doesn't matter squat.
Another example of Kotoamatsukami is the fact that it managed to break Itachi out of Edo Tensei even when it was said that Kabuto's control over the bodies was absolute.
Also, unlike Tsukuyomi, Koto can be performed without any eye contact at all allowing Shisui to put Itachi's sorry ass under his control easily.
OT: Shisui is a master of genjutsu.....no doubt....

Um, no... The reason you can't break Itachi's Tsukuyomi is because its too fast for the beast to wake the host. The beast has to notice that the host is in an genjutsu and wake him up. Itachi's Tsukuyomi effects are faster then a second. Which means by the time the beast notices that the host is in an genjutsu the damage will already have been done. This is why it is said that Itachi's genjutsu is unbreakable unless your an Uchiha.

 

[-Logic-]

Who the hell said that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is only breakable by other Uchiha?
You really do take fanboy-ism to another level don't you -Completely Illogic-san.
It's been said that a Perfect Jinchuuriki can easily break out of a Tsukuyomi, whether it's Sasuke's or Itachi's doesn't matter squat.
Another example of Kotoamatsukami is the fact that it managed to break Itachi out of Edo Tensei even when it was said that Kabuto's control over the bodies was absolute.
Also, unlike Tsukuyomi, Koto can be performed without any eye contact at all allowing Shisui to put Itachi's sorry ass under his control easily.
OT: Shisui is a master of genjutsu.....no doubt....

Oh my god. You're a COMPLETE FAILURE OF A NARUTO FAN.

It's time to expose your stupidity...

Before using it on Kakashi in Part I, Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle.

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I swear to God... you're SLOW. SLOW IN THE HEAD.

The bolded part proves Itachi's Tsukuyomi can only be broken by an Uchiha/shares blood ties with Itachi, and must be a Sharingan user.

You are a failure of a debater, and a Naruto fan. Go home.

And this is why I think NB is flooded with idiots. Complete and UTTER IDIOTS!

 

[Sexy Steel]

Who the hell said that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is only breakable by other Uchiha?
You really do take fanboy-ism to another level don't you -Completely Illogic-san.
It's been said that a Perfect Jinchuuriki can easily break out of a Tsukuyomi, whether it's Sasuke's or Itachi's doesn't matter squat.
Another example of Kotoamatsukami is the fact that it managed to break Itachi out of Edo Tensei even when it was said that Kabuto's control over the bodies was absolute.
Also, unlike Tsukuyomi, Koto can be performed without any eye contact at all allowing Shisui to put Itachi's sorry ass under his control easily.
OT: Shisui is a master of genjutsu.....no doubt....

If he truely his the master, why not compare Shisui and itachi's genjusu skills with only 3 tomeo sharingan. Shisu has the strongest genjutsu i will give you that but in terms of proficiency, itachi >shisui.

 

[נıм]

And that is exactly why you fail

when did I fail ?

 

[Henrik]

Kid learn your stuff, Tsukuyomi can only be broke by an a Uchiha, not even perfect jinchuriki could, there is even a manga page of Naruto warning Bee of Tsukuyomi. And it only makes sense, whats the point on breaking a genjutsu that inflicted the damage instantly?

Are you serious? Perfect jinchuuriki's can't be in genjutsu, however if the user genjutsu the bijuu then it is something else, and Tsukuyomi can't do that.

 

[Bogard]

Yh but even if Shisui was Itachi's mentor people do surpass the mentors like Naruto and Jiriaya. Itachi has probably surpassed him in Genjutsu after all Itachi has shown the most proficiency and prowess in his Genjutsu and he is the Master of Genjustu. Shisui may have the strongest Genjustu but Itachi is the best at it.

You said it yourself. Itachi has shown the most proficiency in genjutsu. What has Shisui shown in the manga? Itachi only has much more screentime than Shisui. It doesn't mean he is better

 

[Henrik]

Why everyone is Bullshittin about Shisui and some said Obito !! Bitches Please , Having the Best Genjutsu is different from Being best in Genjutsu.

Itachi is the Best genjutsu User , Shisui have the Strongest genjutsu , Tobi is ****ing out of the QUestion

When you have the best genjutus, then you are obviously the best in genjutsu.

Tobi manipulated a perfect jinchuuriki (4. Mizukage) in years, and it's stated that it is impossible to genjutsu a PJ

 

[-Logic-]

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Read up noobs. PLEASE READ UP.

Your lack of knowledge is making me ill.

 

[נıм]

Are you serious? Perfect jinchuuriki's can't be in genjutsu, however if the user genjutsu the bijuu then it is something else, and Tsukuyomi can't do that.

dude, just stfu and think b4 u post bullshit.

1. u can genjutsu both.
2. u fail
3. gtfo

 

[Meekz89]

Fair point man.

But the thing I'm trying to show is that we don't know about Shisui... so why should we assume he is better?

As I clearly outlined, "FROM WHAT WE KNOW". Shisui could be better but... he isn't, from what we know.

I agree Kishi has shown more Of Itachi and from shown characters he is the best. In the war when white Zetsu started changing into other people in the night. Everyone assume it was Itachi cause it was stated "only he could cast control over shinobi from a distance". Only goin by facts for the post and I would assume Shisui was best cause of what I read on his profile, he had the sharingan, Unlike sasuke he probably learned clan genjutsu techniques from actual Uchiha past down. But when you think of shisui ya mind can just wonder about all the amazing things he did.

 

[-Logic-]

I agree Kishi has shown more Of Itachi and from shown characters he is the best. In the war when white Zetsu started changing into other people in the night. Everyone assume it was Itachi cause it was stated "only he could cast control over shinobi from a distance". Only goin by facts for the post and I would assume Shisui was best cause of what I read on his profile, he had the sharingan, Unlike sasuke he probably learned clan genjutsu techniques from actual Uchiha past down. But when you think of shisui ya mind can just wonder about all the amazing things he did.

That's a fair point indeed. I'm glad we could agree on something man.

 

[Lentz]

Shisui had MS specialized in genjutsu. Do you, Itachi fanboys, really need more?