Who is most skilled with Rinnegan?

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm gonna continue this later, I have work in a few hours

 

[Holy God]

In a deluded biased sense? I'm not surprised that someone like you would find this assumption of yours to be an "obvious conclusion." Especially when you refuse to believe the independence of six path powers and the rinnegan.

Well, I believe it to be quite a common conclusion. As far as I know, you're the only one to have misconstrued the sentence.

I have little to no knowledge in japanese writing in japanese text. So I'll put my trust in the people who have a better knowledge than you. VIZ.

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So it says...

>Nagato's six paths' power
>The rinnegan
>Itachi's mangekyo

would make them invincible.

Which once again falls under the reference idea. If you're unable to come to grounds with this, I could paint a pretty picture with sources that would absolutely confirm my translation, but it'll only look bad for you. I've already gave you a side-by-side with "Google-able" words.

 

[Styles]

Those aren't basic jutsus man. Copying and reading movements are not basic ninjutsus that are expelled from the eye.
And you said it yourself that mangekyo techniques are exclusive to certain people, so why doesn't the rinnegan follow that logic of some ninjutsus being exclusive to each person?
All I'm asking is the following.
1. Where did you get this from
2. Where in the manga is this stated
3. And does this source relies on Konan's logic of six path power because I have a retort for it.

Uh yes it is those are the basic Sharingan techniques. Any Sharingan user can do it. A Sharingan's main ability was reading movements and copying techniques. That was said way in part 1.

Well obviously no one with MS have the same techniques only Sasuke and Itachi with Amaterasu. But that's it. No one else have the same MS abilities. Rinnegan was already said to grant all six paths and the potential to learn all elements. The only thing that's exclusive to Rinnegan is limbo and Ameno. Which means you have to be an original user to access the exclusive ability. A Rinnegan user just can't use preta, outer and deva and not have the rest like Sasuke and Madara did that's just illogical.

Six path power is not the rinnegan otherwise kakashi would be saying he has a rinnegan here.

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I know that nagato got his six path power power from the rinnegan but nagato wanted to emphasize the difference between him and other rinnegan users.

I mean he did say six path power, rinnegan, and mangekyo combined. Not six path power rinnegan and mangekyo combined otherwise their wouldn't be any need for those commas.

Again six paths power is the Rinnegan. The thing about Kakashi is false because he had chakra that Obito had left from being Juubi jin which is sage chakra. Obito nor Kakashi would have gotten Rinnegan. Nagato doesn't have six paths chakra only the Rinnegan he had did. Which is why Itachi said "with your six paths power, the Rinnegan" meaning Rinnegan was his six paths power.

The only way to get six paths power is Hagoromo's chakra(Indra's + Ashura's chakra) or get it directly from Hagoromo or become Juubi jin. Nagato had neither but had Madara's Rinnegan which is six paths power. Which is why Obito said he was part of the six paths.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well, I believe it to be quite a common conclusion. As far as I know, you're the only one to have misconstrued the sentence.

I don't care what you believe in. Subjective is subjective and nothing you said holds no fact.
I never said anything with a misconstrued sentence when everything I repeated is word for word off a viz media translation. So if you have a problem, blame kishi.

Which once again falls under the reference idea. If you're unable to come to grounds with this, I could paint a pretty picture with sources that would absolutely confirm my translation, but it'll only look bad for you. I've already gave you a side-by-side with "Google-able" words.

It doesn't fall underneath a reference if the subject is part of the list that itachi mentioned to be unstoppable.
Itachi said "your six paths', the rinnegan, and my mangekyo."

He didn't say "your six paths' the rinnegan, and my mangekyo" or
"Your six paths' the rinnegan and my mangekyo."
That's a reference.

 

[Holy God]

I don't care what you believe in. Subjective is subjective and nothing you said holds no fact.
I never said anything with a misconstrued sentence when everything I repeated is word for word off a viz media translation. So if you have a problem, blame kishi.

It doesn't fall underneath a reference if the subject is part of the list that itachi mentioned to be unstoppable.
Itachi said "your six paths', the rinnegan, and my mangekyo."

He didn't say "your six paths' the rinnegan, and my mangekyo" or
"Your six paths' the rinnegan and my mangekyo."
That's a reference.

I fail to see why you continue to argue against Kishimoto's own words with your miscomprehended translation. I'll try to explain it one last time to you since you're not even understanding the English part.

"ペイン...お前え の 六道のチャクラ - 輪廻眼 と オレ 万華鏡写輪眼..."

This is exactly what Itachi says. と in Japanese is used to separate/list things and I've given you the definition for everything else. Now tell me, do you see a と or comma inbetween Six Paths power and Rinnegan? No. There is a line. No ifs, ands, or buts. You don't even need to know Japanese to understand this.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Uh yes it is those are the basic Sharingan techniques. Any Sharingan user can do it. A Sharingan's main ability was reading movements and copying techniques. That was said way in part 1.

Well obviously no one with MS have the same techniques only Sasuke and Itachi with Amaterasu. But that's it. No one else have the same MS abilities. Rinnegan was already said to grant all six paths and the potential to learn all elements. The only thing that's exclusive to Rinnegan is limbo and Ameno. Which means you have to be an original user to access the exclusive ability. A Rinnegan user just can't use preta, outer and deva and not have the rest like Sasuke and Madara did that's just illogical.

Dude, the sharinagn copying abilities and reading movements is not a jutsu. That's a dojutsu skill, kind of like how the rinnegan can share visions and the byukagan can see inner coil along with 350 degree vision.
I said that there is no such thing as "basic jutsu" each doujutsus hold, they're all different ranging from the mangekyo to the rinnegan.
And there hasn't been proof that all share the same set of jutsus.
We can't pick and choose which one remains exclusive and which one they all share. That's called assuming.

Again six paths power is the Rinnegan. The thing about Kakashi is false because he had chakra that Obito had left from being Juubi jin which is sage chakra. Obito nor Kakashi would have gotten Rinnegan. Nagato doesn't have six paths chakra only the Rinnegan he had did. Which is why Itachi said "with your six paths power, the Rinnegan" meaning Rinnegan was his six paths power.

Dude what? Six path power is generic, it does not mean it is the rinnegan. The rinnegan is just a part of it.
And the fact that you said kakashi is wrong is not creditable at all. How would you know what is right or wrong? Just because you get six path powers doesn't mean you'll get an automatic rinnegan.
Indra, kakashi, ashura, naruto, sasuke, nagato, tobi, madara, etc all have six path powers.
I can go on into details but let's just cover that first.

The only way to get six paths power is Hagoromo's chakra(Indra's + Ashura's chakra) or get it directly from Hagoromo or become Juubi jin. Nagato had neither but had Madara's Rinnegan which is six paths power. Which is why Obito said he was part of the six paths.

This is how you get the six path powers.

1. You become juubi jinchuuriki
2. You gain rikudou sagemode
3. You gain the rinnegan through whatever means
4. Some one gives you rikudou chakra like kakashi
5. You genetically you can gain six path powers

Six path power doesn't automatically mean the rinnegan, RSM is a six path power too and you clearly don't get a rinnegan from that either. You can't discredit the manga and say that kakashi is wrong because you feel like it.

 

[Pappasaur]

come back to me when sasuke can absorb and cast jutsus at the sametime

/rekt

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I fail to see why you continue to argue against Kishimoto's own words with your miscomprehended translation. I'll try to explain it one last time to you since you're not even understanding the English part.

"ペイン...お前え の 六道のチャクラ - 輪廻眼 と オレ 万華鏡写輪眼..."

This is exactly what Itachi says. と in Japanese is used to separate/list things and I've given you the definition for everything else. Now tell me, do you see a と or comma inbetween Six Paths power and Rinnegan? No. There is a line. No ifs, ands, or buts. You don't even need to know Japanese to understand this.

Since you continue to remain stubborn and refuse to actually take time and read. I'll just repeat the same thing as I said before.
I take only viz translation. Saying that I'm mis-comprehending a raw context is completely stupid considering the fact that I've been repeating what was written in VIZ the whole time. You fighting VIZ translation is not my problem so again here.

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^^Write a complaint to this translator, not me. These individuals are official and licensed.

 

[Holy God]

Since you continue to remain stubborn and refuse to actually take time and read. I'll just repeat the same thing as I said before.
I take only viz translation. Saying that I'm mis-comprehending a raw context is completely stupid considering the fact that I've been repeating what was written in VIZ the whole time. You fighting VIZ translation is not my problem so again here.

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^^Write a complaint to this translator, not me. These individuals are official and licensed.

So now you know that you're wrong but just can't accept defeat? The VIZ translation is completely fine, I don't have a problem with it. You simply have failed to understand it. This is the poorest excuse for an argument I've read considering you take a translator who has been proven to make "mistakes" over Kishimoto's own words. It's even sadder when you yourself have translated the thing and still can't accept it. "六道のチャクラ - 輪廻眼" are two words separated by a hyphen. Pure denial in your case.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

The most skillful user? Skill as in the person who knows how to utilize the Rinengan to it's maximum potential? It's Nagato, hands down. In certain aspects, Sasuke and Madara have some powerful Rinengan techs, but Nagato is the only person we've seen in magna who utilized all six paths, but not only that he utilized nearly to it's full potential. Madara and Sasuke probably do have all 6 paths but we haven't seen them use all of them, which means they lack skill in certain aspects of rinengan specs which is why Nagato takes this

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So now you know that you're wrong but just can't accept defeat? The VIZ translation is completely fine, I don't have a problem with it. You simply have failed to understand it. This is the poorest excuse for an argument I've read considering you take a translator who has been proven to make "mistakes" over Kishimoto's own words. It's even sadder when you yourself have translated the thing and still can't accept it. "六道のチャクラ - 輪廻眼" are two words separated by a hyphen. Pure denial in your case.

Lol contradicting much are we? You just said viz was fine in your first sentence and then you end it off as my poorest excuse is to dwell on this translator that "makes mistakes" despite knowing full well that the translator I was posting/quoting this whole time is the viz one?

It's clear to me that you have absolutely no idea on what you are talking about.
And just answer to the damn viz scan I just posted. It's you vs Viz at this point and you completely lost.

 

[Holy God]

Lol contradicting much are we? You just said viz was fine in your first sentence and then you end it off as my poorest excuse is to dwell on this translator that "makes mistakes" despite knowing full well that the translator I was posting/quoting this whole time is the viz one?

It's clear to me that you have absolutely no idea on what you are talking about.
And just answer to the damn viz scan I just posted. It's you vs Viz at this point and you completely lost.

There is no contradiction. Both VIZ and I are correct in this case while you are not. It's not me against VIZ, it's you against Kishimoto, and you've completely lost. You know you've lost which is why you cannot justify your answer anymore. Unless you can describe why you're taking a hyphen to be a comma, you cannot push your argument as factual.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There is no contradiction. Both VIZ and I are correct in this case while you are not. It's not me against VIZ, it's you against Kishimoto, and you've completely lost. You know you've lost which is why you cannot justify your answer anymore. Unless you can describe why you're taking a hyphen to be a comma, you cannot push your argument as factual.

There's literally a comma after "your six paths'" in the viz translation that I posted. Are you blind or what?

If that's too much for you. Naruto describes it well here.

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[Holy God]

There's literally a comma after "your six paths'" in the viz translation that I posted. Are you blind or what?

If that's too much for you. Naruto describes it well here.

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Yes, in the VIZ translation, however I was talking about the original Japanese. You yourself know the writing for Six Paths' power and Rinnegan, and you can obviously see that they are right next to each other with the only thing in-between being a hyphen. Naruto's statement is irrelevant and doesn't help your case in the slightest.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, in the VIZ translation, however I was talking about the original Japanese. You yourself know the writing for Six Paths' power and Rinnegan, and you can obviously see that they are right next to each other with the only thing in-between being a hyphen. Naruto's statement is irrelevant and doesn't help your case in the slightest.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, in the VIZ translation, however I was talking about the original Japanese. You yourself know the writing for Six Paths' power and Rinnegan, and you can obviously see that they are right next to each other with the only thing in-between being a hyphen. Naruto's statement is irrelevant and doesn't help your case in the slightest.

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[Holy God]

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Retarded reply. There is no hyphen in the VIZ translation, so I could not be talking about it. It's rather obvious to me though that you've accepted defeat since you changed the topic. Unless you can prove my translation wrong, you have no ground. Bringing the VIZ text is useless since you can't comprehend it. Bring evidence that 4-6 is mistranslated or you're wrong.

[1] ペイン... [2+3]お前え の [4] 六道のチャクラ [5] - 輪廻眼 [6] と [7] オレ [8] 万華鏡写輪眼...
[1] Pain... [2+3] your [4] Six Path's power [5] - Rinnegan [6], and [7] my [8] Mangekyou Sharingan...

Though I'll predict you'll simply say something along the lines that me not accepting the VIZ translation even though it's "official" puts me in the wrong. That would be a lackluster response however as the VIZ can be interpreted differently while the Japanese cannot.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Retarded reply. There is no hyphen in the VIZ translation, so I could not be talking about it. It's rather obvious to me though that you've accepted defeat since you changed the topic. Unless you can prove my translation wrong, you have no ground. Bringing the VIZ text is useless since you can't comprehend it. Bring evidence that 4-6 is mistranslated or you're wrong.

[1] ペイン... [2+3]お前え の [4] 六道のチャクラ [5] - 輪廻眼 [6] と [7] オレ [8] 万華鏡写輪眼...
[1] Pain... [2+3] your [4] Six Path's power [5] - Rinnegan [6], and [7] my [8] Mangekyou Sharingan...

Though I'll predict you'll simply say something along the lines that me not accepting the VIZ translation even though it's "official" puts me in the wrong. That would be a lackluster response however as the VIZ can be interpreted differently while the Japanese cannot.

This is completely retarded post, in fact this whole entire page was full of idiotic responses that contradicted yourself.
There's no helping you.

 

[Holy God]

This is completely retarded post, in fact this whole entire page was full of idiotic responses that contradicted yourself.
There's no helping you.

This cop-out was exactly what I suspected you'd post. Thank you for finally submitting. Any other post beyond this would be pure denial.

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[Styles]

Dude, the sharinagn copying abilities and reading movements is not a jutsu. That's a dojutsu skill, kind of like how the rinnegan can share visions and the byukagan can see inner coil along with 350 degree vision.
I said that there is no such thing as "basic jutsu" each doujutsus hold, they're all different ranging from the mangekyo to the rinnegan.
And there hasn't been proof that all share the same set of jutsus.
We can't pick and choose which one remains exclusive and which one they all share. That's called assuming.

Those skills are still basic to every Sharingan user. Same as Byakugan having all insight.

How can we not? Ameno is exclusive to Sasuke. Same can be said for Madara but DB didn't say it was exclusive just a Rinnegan ability. But Nagato who had his Rinnegan never had it. Because it's exclusive to main user's only.

Dude what? Six path power is generic, it does not mean it is the rinnegan. The rinnegan is just a part of it.
And the fact that you said kakashi is wrong is not creditable at all. How would you know what is right or wrong? Just because you get six path powers doesn't mean you'll get an automatic rinnegan.
Indra, kakashi, ashura, naruto, sasuke, nagato, tobi, madara, etc all have six path powers.
I can go on into details but let's just cover that first.

Madara and Sasuke awakened Rinnegan by having six paths chakra and being a transmigrant. Obito was a Juubi jin he still had sage chakra but he would not have Rinnegan because he wasn't a transmigrant same as Kakashi. Nagato had none of that. Only Rinnegan which contained sage chakra. Nagato himself never had it.

How is it not credible? Kakashi Sharingan got a boost because Obito still had Juubi's chakra still when he gave his chakra to Kakashi.

This is how you get the six path powers.

1. You become juubi jinchuuriki
2. You gain rikudou sagemode
3. You gain the rinnegan through whatever means
4. Some one gives you rikudou chakra like kakashi
5. You genetically you can gain six path powers

Six path power doesn't automatically mean the rinnegan, RSM is a six path power too and you clearly don't get a rinnegan from that either. You can't discredit the manga and say that kakashi is wrong because you feel like it.

Already said being Juubi jin give you sage chakra.
RSM is sage chakra mixed with Senjutsu/SM. Or become Juubi jin.
Exactly gaining Rinnegan by having Indra's and Ashura's chakra to make Hagoromo's chakra. Or getting chakra from Hagoromo himself.
Already said that.
And none of the above happened to Nagato his Rinnegan is the only thing containing sage chakra. His six paths power was the Rinnegan nothing more.