Who is most skilled with Rinnegan?

[Rikudou Tobi]

Uh yea it have it's been said every Rinnegan user can access the six paths techniques. Sasuke shown preta outer and deva. Madara shown deva and preta and outer. How do they not have all six basic six paths?

I mean like with most of the doujutsus out there, there is no "basic jutsu" principle to each eyes. People just apply their logic without taking careful details into consideration.
A good example is the sharingan and rinnegan relation
>People say that when another person a mangekyo, they keep the same power as the original as owner so we apply that logic to the rinnegan right?
>Well if we use that same train of thought, then you do know that there is no "basic mangekyo" technique. So why not apply that same logic to the rinnegan then? Do we pick and choose how doujutsus work?
The manga never covered this shared rinnegan ability theory.

That doesn't prove nothing "the sages power, your Rinnegan" Rinnegan in general is the sages power that's what Itachi meant not the abilities. Even then all six paths are the sages abilities which every Rinnegan user has.

Itachi was talking about two seperate things. Sage power, rinnegan, and mangekyo. If you look at the viz manga itachi said
"your six path power, rinnegan, and his mangekyo sharingan." With that statement itachi knows that Nagato's six path capability is unique to him only.

 

[Styles]

I mean like with most of the doujutsus out there, there is no "basic jutsu" principle to each eyes. People just apply their logic without taking careful details into consideration.
A good example is the sharingan and rinnegan relation
>People say that when another person a mangekyo, they keep the same power as the original as owner so we apply that logic to the rinnegan right?
>Well if we use that same train of thought, then you do know that there is no "basic mangekyo" technique. So why not apply that same logic to the rinnegan then? Do we pick and choose how doujutsus work?
The manga never covered this shared rinnegan ability theory

The basic power of Sharingan is the ability to read movements, copy and cast genjutsu. MS doesn't have any basic abilities except reading movements and genjutsu. The MS techniques are the ones that's exclusive to certain people. Rinnegan doesn't have that unless you're the natural user like Ameno and limbo.

Itachi was talking about two seperate things. Sage power, rinnegan, and mangekyo. If you look at the viz manga itachi said
"your six path power, rinnegan, and his mangekyo sharingan." With that statement itachi knows that Nagato's six path capability is unique to him only.

No six paths power is Rinnegan by that Itachi meant Rinnegan not six paths power and Rinnegan. That doesn't even make sense since six paths power is Rinnegan. Itachi meant that with Nagato's Rinnegan and his MS they could do anything not with six paths power, Rinnegan and his MS.

 

[Holy God]

Itachi was talking about two seperate things. Sage power, rinnegan, and mangekyo. If you look at the viz manga itachi said
"your six path power, rinnegan, and his mangekyo sharingan." With that statement itachi knows that Nagato's six path capability is unique to him only.

The original text does not separate Six Paths power and Rinnegan. Itachi says that the Rinnegan is the source of Six Paths power.

 

[WalksInShadows]

i gotta say it's between Madara and Sasuke. Nagato didn't really do anything that was completely beyond other Rinnegan users to replicate, especially if they could produce OP rods. Obito proved that much with the Edo Jin.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The original text does not separate Six Paths power and Rinnegan. Itachi says that the Rinnegan is the source of Six Paths power.

You're just gonna just say that without using any evidence of proof?
Viz did say six path power, rinnegan, and mangekyo combined. Meaning that they are all separate contexts.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Sasuke, his skills of the rinnegan allowed him to create an enhanced version of CT, use the bijuu chakra w/o gedo statue, and paralyze all the bijuu at once.

 

[Holy God]

You're just gonna just say that without using any evidence of proof?
Viz did say six path power, rinnegan, and mangekyo combined. Meaning that they are all separate contexts.

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Itachi says "rikudou no chikara - rinnegan to ore no mangekyou sharingan". "to" in Japanese is used to separate and list things. He lists Six Paths power (rikudou no chikara) as that of the Rinnegan, not separate.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The basic power of Sharingan is the ability to read movements, copy and cast genjutsu. MS doesn't have any basic abilities except reading movements and genjutsu. The MS techniques are the ones that's exclusive to certain people. Rinnegan doesn't have that unless you're the natural user like Ameno and limbo.

Those aren't basic jutsus man. Copying and reading movements are not basic ninjutsus that are expelled from the eye.
And you said it yourself that mangekyo techniques are exclusive to certain people, so why doesn't the rinnegan follow that logic of some ninjutsus being exclusive to each person?
All I'm asking is the following.
1. Where did you get this from
2. Where in the manga is this stated
3. And does this source relies on Konan's logic of six path power because I have a retort for it.

No six paths power is Rinnegan by that Itachi meant Rinnegan not six paths power and Rinnegan. That doesn't even make sense since six paths power is Rinnegan. Itachi meant that with Nagato's Rinnegan and his MS they could do anything not with six paths power, Rinnegan and his MS.

Six path power is not the rinnegan otherwise kakashi would be saying he has a rinnegan here.

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I know that nagato got his six path power power from the rinnegan but nagato wanted to emphasize the difference between him and other rinnegan users.

I mean he did say six path power, rinnegan, and mangekyo combined. Not six path power rinnegan and mangekyo combined otherwise their wouldn't be any need for those commas.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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Itachi says "rikudou no chikara - rinnegan to ore no mangekyou sharingan". "to" in Japanese is used to separate and list things. He lists Six Paths power (rikudou no chikara) as that of the Rinnegan, not separate.

That's redundant and not viz. What's the point of saying six path power and rinnegan in the same sentence if it's the same thing?
Where's the viz translation?

 

[Holy God]

That's redundant and not viz. What's the point of saying six path power and rinnegan in the same sentence if it's the same thing?
Where's the viz translation?

Sorry if you think Kishimoto's own Japanese is redundant, but it's superior to VIZ's translations. The point in saying them in the same sentence is to clarify that the Rinnegan holds the power of the Sage himself.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sorry if you think Kishimoto's own Japanese is redundant, but it's superior to VIZ's translations. The point in saying them in the same sentence is to clarify that the Rinnegan holds the power of the Sage himself.

Kishi's writting is viz. You just typed out your own translation from raw text. Making it biased

 

[Holy God]

Kishi's writting is viz. You just typed out your own translation from raw text. Making it biased

No, VIZ translates from the original work and Kishimoto's own writing, the Japanese version, which I have posted for you. Nothing in the small bit I translated could be interpreted in any other way, thus making it unbiased. It is actually you who is miscomprehending the English used by multiple translators.

 

[kimb]

I don't care what anyone says, Sasuke's chibaku tensei outranks Nagato's almighty push. Fight me.

 

[Guntah]

I don't care what anyone says, Sasuke's chibaku tensei outranks Nagato's almighty push. Fight me.

No, agreed.

It doesn't at all outrank everything Nagato was able to do with the Rinnegan when put together, but agreed on that much.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No, VIZ translates from the original work and Kishimoto's own writing, the Japanese version, which I have posted for you. Nothing in the small bit I translated could be interpreted in any other way, thus making it unbiased. It is actually you who is miscomprehending the English used by multiple translators.

The bold part isn't even a word and you're saying I'm not understanding English when you are posting and Japanese not English?
When you say six path, rinnegan, and mangekyo in a sentence you're talking about three separate objectives in one sentence. That's basic English in case you have not notice.

And lastly. The reason why it's biased is because of this here.

輪廻眼 is translation for rinnegan while six path power is a translation off of this 六道のチャクラ.
See the difference here and why it's biased? In jaapanese it's completely different.

 

[Holy God]

The bold part isn't even a word and you're saying I'm not understanding English when you are posting and Japanese not English?

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When you say six path, rinnegan, and mangekyo in a sentence you're talking about three separate objectives in one sentence. That's basic English in case you have not notice.

"He's using the power of the Uchiha, the Mangekyou Sharingan!"

This sentence is not listing them exclusively, but is making the former refer to the latter. The same can be said for your initial translation:

"It's not a stretch to say that with the sage's power, your Rinnegan, combined with my Mangekyou Sharingan..."

You don't seem to type terribly, so I could only assume that this would be in your range of "basic English".

And lastly. The reason why it's biased is because of this here.

輪廻眼 is translation for rinnegan while six path power is a translation off of this 六道のチャクラ.
See the difference here and why it's biased? In jaapanese it's completely different.

You're correct in your translations. I'll be so kind as to pick out everything for you, starting from the first thing he says. You can confirm my translations yourself.

ペイン - pein (Pain), お前え - omae (You), の - no (Possessive particle), 六道 - rikudou, の, チャクラ - chikara (Power), 輪廻眼 - rinnegan, と - to (Collective/Comma), オレ - ore, の, 万華鏡写輪眼 - mangekyou sharingan

The rawest translation of the Japanese would be this: "Pain... your Six Path's power - Rinnegan, and my Mangekyou Sharingan..."

 

[Demonic.]

Considering all Rinnegan users can use the same six path techniques I'd say Sasuke followed by Madara. Obito is last.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

"He's using the power of the Uchiha, the Mangekyou Sharingan!"

This sentence is not listing them exclusively, but is making the former refer to the latter. The same can be said for your initial translation:

"It's not a stretch to say that with the sage's power, your Rinnegan, combined with my Mangekyou Sharingan..."

You don't seem to type terribly, so I could only assume that this would be in your range of "basic English".

So you assume that it is a referral do you now? Because that seems reliable now does it?

You're correct in your translations. I'll be so kind as to pick out everything for you, starting from the first thing he says. You can confirm my translations yourself.

ペイン - pein (Pain), お前え - omae (You), の - no (Possessive particle), 六道 - rikudou, の, チャクラ - chikara (Power), 輪廻眼 - rinnegan, と - to (Collective/Comma), オレ - ore, の, 万華鏡写輪眼 - mangekyou sharingan

The rawest translation of the Japanese would be this: "Pain... your Six Path's power - Rinnegan, and my Mangekyou Sharingan..."

Literally a piece of the viz translation with faulty structuring. You purposely avoided the comma.

 

[Holy God]

So you assume that it is a referral do you now? Because that seems reliable now does it?

The most obvious conclusion with the word "combination", which is usually used to join two nouns, would be that it is indeed a referral. My observation of the Japanese would confirm this.

Literally a piece of the viz translation with faulty structuring. Your possessive pronoun is out of place and you purposely avoided the comma.

No, nothing is out of place. I'll put them side-by-side for you.

[1] ペイン... [2+3]お前え の [4] 六道のチャクラ [5] - 輪廻眼 [6] と [7] オレ [8] 万華鏡写輪眼...
[1] Pain... [2+3] your [4] Six Path's power [5] - Rinnegan [6], and [7] my [8] Mangekyou Sharingan...

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The most obvious conclusion with the word "combination", which is usually used to join two nouns, would be that it is indeed a referral. My observation of the Japanese would confirm this.

In a deluded biased sense? I'm not surprised that someone like you would find this assumption of yours to be an "obvious conclusion." Especially when you refuse to believe the independence of six path powers and the rinnegan.

No, nothing is out of place. I'll put them side-by-side for you.

[1] ペイン... [2+3]お前え の [4] 六道のチャクラ [5] - 輪廻眼 [6] と [7] オレ [8] 万華鏡写輪眼...
[1] Pain... [2+3] your [4] Six Path's power [5] - Rinnegan [6], and [7] my [8] Mangekyou Sharingan...

I have little to no knowledge in japanese writing in japanese text. So I'll put my trust in the people who have a better knowledge than you. VIZ.

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So it says...

>Nagato's six paths' power
>The rinnegan
>Itachi's mangekyo

would make them invincible.