who has better anallysys, kakashi or itachi?

[Frikid]

I can talk and talk, but ill try and make is quick. First thing that people confuse is intelligence and natural talent. Seems this thread is about genius i take it the op means intelligence therefore this is what ill say.

He was the only person in the whole of konoha which is made up of many various clans who sensed obito/madara and itachi isnt even a senser. Second is that he was able to monitor obito/madara whilst obito didnt know spot itachi. Third is that he was able to agree a deal with obito/masked man to help him kill the uchiha clan, but at the same time obito wouldnt touch konoha. This is a feat that a 12 year was able to accomplish.

Second is that during his introduction he was able to made a very quick tactic stragetgy and anaylsed kakashi, telling kisame that in a fight he would suffer unnecessary injuries. This later included the fact that he decided to flee rather than fight anbu, though some can same because his initial reason for konoha was for something else.

Third is the fact that he had planned his fight with sasuke. To push him whilst at the same time not kill him, that is a very difficult thing to do. In fact all of itachi's fights he has had to fight for other reasons rather than putting his opponents in a box and this ability is very rare and yet he has always achieved the desired outcome one way or another. Its easy to fight to kill because you are not restricted however fighting for other purposes always makes life difficult.

Then there is his fight against kabuto. Itachi had already analysed the situation even before kabuto started talking nonsense about him being closest to the sage, how he is immune to physical damage and how edo tensei ninja's are his pawns and started the loop of izanami in

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. He had already picked out a technique in his arsenal which would bring kabuto down but at the same time not kill him, from the very start of the fight. Very good quick thinking and summary of kabuto that itachi did, something that people seem to forget.

Itachi has shown to be able to analyse a situation very quickly and take action

i will make this quicker...

Itachi is dead, while kakashi is fighting in this whole arc and he still is gonna fight against obito and most probably defeat him.
No matter how hard you try,You cannot deny the fact,
kakashi have surpassed itachi at this point of time, and all the thing you say will all become a fail the more kakashi show us his skills.
This is kakashi's year, more screen time results in one character being superior to other as he progresses.
So , kakashi is and will be > itachi.
just deal with it :shrug:
OT :

Tell me how many people know about the uchiha shrine ? A few uchihas ?
Itachi is a genius even among uchihas, if someone goes into his territory, he would surely notice. He was once an anbu afterall.
Any uchiha with itachi's potential would have noticed it , such as kakashi,sasuke , shisui,obito etc, if they were in itachi's shoes.
This is not a feat according to me.

Second : his initial reason was to warn them not to harm them.

Third : i agree, IN itachi vs sasuke fight, itachi did a great job.

Last : This also i agree, itachi roflstomp kabuto xd

But now lets look at kakashi's feats, (in the war arc)
-> He played a great role in taking down all 7 swordsman, the best ones.
-> Figured out the only weakness of tobi's S/T , even itachi wasn't able to do it.
His intelligence surpassed itachi big time , He is the only "brain" ïn the 4 man team, and he is doing his job pretty good.

 

[Helikido]

i will make this quicker...

Itachi is dead, while kakashi is fighting in this whole arc and he still is gonna fight against obito and most probably defeat him.
No matter how hard you try,You cannot deny the fact,
kakashi have surpassed itachi at this point of time, and all the thing you say will all become a fail the more kakashi show us his skills.
This is kakashi's year, more screen time results in one character being superior to other as he progresses.
So , kakashi is and will be > itachi.
just deal with it :shrug:
OT :

Tell me how many people know about the uchiha shrine ? A few uchihas ?
Itachi is a genius even among uchihas, if someone goes into his territory, he would surely notice. He was once an anbu afterall.
Any uchiha with itachi's potential would have noticed it , such as kakashi,sasuke , shisui,obito etc, if they were in itachi's shoes.
This is not a feat according to me.

Second : his initial reason was to warn them not to harm them.

Third : i agree, IN itachi vs sasuke fight, itachi did a great job.

Last : This also i agree, itachi roflstomp kabuto xd

But now lets look at kakashi's feats, (in the war arc)
-> He played a great role in taking down all 7 swordsman, the best ones.
-> Figured out the only weakness of tobi's S/T , even itachi wasn't able to do it.
His intelligence surpassed itachi big time , He is the only "brain" ïn the 4 man team, and he is doing his job pretty good.

Dude please..... Kakshi is a fodder compared to Itachi in any segment what so ever. Whether it be chakra, jutsu or intelligence...itachi is on top.

Let's see why:

•First he planned sasukes gay ass life.
•He was feared by tobi at the age of 12. what was kakshi doing at that age?
•He OWNED kakashi in part one like he was nothing.
•He NEVER lost a fight....
•He OWNED diadara at the age of 13-14. Kakshi got owned by diadara...
•He OWNED A SANIN AT THE AGE OF 13.
•He BROKE edo tensie.
•He STOPED kabuto....one who would kill kakashi in an instant I presume...
• He SAVED naruto and bee from nagato, which kakshi will never hope to be able to do against Nagato...
•He decoded all of nagatos abilities in like a minute and then the next thing you see him do is come up with a plan to seal and and SUCCEEDS at IT.


So please, Kakshi has nothing over itachi. NOTHING.

To the creator of this thread.... I have listed more feats that itachi has achieved more than what you can hope to say about your little kakashi. Call me a fan boy or whatever, but in the end you are the ignorant child who refuses to accept such FACTS.

Ohh and did I mention he took on a whole clan by himself? At age 12? Ya I'd like to see if kakashi is even capable of that at such an age....what a joke.

 

[Frikid]

Dude please..... Kakshi is a fodder compared to Itachi in any segment what so ever. Whether it be chakra, jutsu or intelligence...itachi is on top.

Let's see why:

•First he planned sasukes gay ass life.
•He was feared by tobi at the age of 12. what was kakshi doing at that age?
•He OWNED kakashi in part one like he was nothing.
•He NEVER lost a fight....
•He OWNED diadara at the age of 13-14. Kakshi got owned by diadara...
•He OWNED A SANIN AT THE AGE OF 13.
•He BROKE edo tensie.
•He STOPED kabuto....one who would kill kakashi in an instant I presume...
• He SAVED naruto and bee from nagato, which kakshi will never hope to be able to do against Nagato...
•He decoded all of nagatos abilities in like a minute and then the next thing you see him do is come up with a plan to seal and and SUCCEEDS at IT.


So please, Kakshi has nothing over itachi. NOTHING.

To the creator of this thread.... I have listed more feats that itachi has achieved more than what you can hope to say about your little kakashi. Call me a fan boy or whatever, but in the end you are the ignorant child who refuses to accept such FACTS.

Ohh and did I mention he took on a whole clan by himself? At age 12? Ya I'd like to see if kakashi is even capable of that at such an age....what a joke.

aah,
whatever itachi did in his past, sure i agree, kakashi couldn't if he was the same age.

BUT past is history, if we talk about present,

1. Itachi was the only person who could stop edo tensei, due to his knowledge of izanami. (plot no jutsu)
2. kakashi would be killed by kabuto ? NO! ---Kabuto do not have any counter to kamui
3. Don't turn this into a vs thread, you are the one who is denying the fact. Currently kakashi is fighting toe to toe with Tobi and he is able to catch up with the speed of naruto ... Naruto is arguably the fastest now, and to catch up with him, he must have speed of atleast raikage A.
4. Itachi saved them against nagato ? yes itachi did, but whatever he did, he did it in edo form. Edo itachi > kakashi .
5. Decoded nagato's abilities ? :rofl:
He was in akatsuki for god knows how many years, he was supporting nagato as his legs for like 30 hrs in the war,
and you think he wouldn't know nagato's abilities ? :sy:
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Actually you are the one who is not accepting the facts and the way manga is going...

As i said earlier,

Itachi is dead, while kakashi is fighting in this whole arc and he still is gonna fight against obito and most probably defeat him.
No matter how hard you try,You cannot deny the fact,
kakashi have surpassed itachi at this point of time, and all the thing you say will all become a fail the more kakashi show us his skills.
This is kakashi's year, more screen time results in one character being superior to other as he progresses.
So , kakashi is and will be > itachi.

And plz do not turn this into a vs thread, we can do it in PMs / VMs ...

 

[Helikido]

aah,
whatever itachi did in his past, sure i agree, kakashi couldn't if he was the same age.

BUT past is history, if we talk about present,

1. Itachi was the only person who could stop edo tensei, due to his knowledge of izanami. (plot no jutsu)
2. kakashi would be killed by kabuto ? NO! ---Kabuto do not have any counter to kamui
3. Don't turn this into a vs thread, you are the one who is denying the fact. Currently kakashi is fighting toe to toe with Tobi and he is able to catch up with the speed of naruto ... Naruto is arguably the fastest now, and to catch up with him, he must have speed of atleast raikage A.
4. Itachi saved them against nagato ? yes itachi did, but whatever he did, he did it in edo form. Edo itachi > kakashi .
5. Decoded nagato's abilities ? :rofl:
He was in akatsuki for god knows how many years, he was supporting nagato as his legs for like 30 hrs in the war,
and you think he wouldn't know nagato's abilities ? :sy:
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Actually you are the one who is not accepting the facts and the way manga is going...

As i said earlier,




And plz do not turn this into a vs thread, we can do it in PMs / VMs ...

Don't bring bullshit from your ass like kakshi being as fast as raikage. That statement alone makes me wonder if I'm arguing with a simple minded child who lacks an extreme degree of common sense.....

Your ignorance allows you to think that Kakshi is fighting obito toe to toe....yet naruto is the one who is doing the actual fighting. You do realize that if naruto has not been their...Kakashi would already be dead? You know that right? Kakshis kamui can't even work on obitos, and its flawed compared to obitos.... Obito would end kakashi easy as a fodder since he has no abilities to protect him self from obitos kamui...

And don't be stupid.....Itachi has never faught with nagato as a result he knows nothing of what he is capable off.... for all his life in akutsuki, he has fought with only kisami...and.... you fail their again.... don't make me explain how the akutsuki system works. I won't waste time on you anyways..

And itachi would be able to do what he dis even if he wasn't edo. because either way nagato never even had the chance to lay a hand on him...

So you fail their again sir.

You claim that izanami is plot no jutsu right? Then why is kakashi still alive even after he used kamui so many times? I'd say that's bullshit plot no justu... so their...

You have no argument. quit making up facts like you know this manga from inside out...Go read it all over again if you still believe kakshi has the speed of A (LMAO!). he cant even properly walk now lol.

 

[Frikid]

Don't bring bullshit from your ass like kakshi being as fast as raikage. That statement alone makes me wonder if I'm arguing with a simple minded child who lacks an extreme degree of common sense.....

Your ignorance allows you to think that Kakshi is fighting obito toe to toe....yet naruto is the one who is doing the actual fighting. You do realize that if naruto has not been their...Kakashi would already be dead? You know that right? Kakshis kamui can't even work on obitos, and its flawed compared to obitos.... Obito would end kakashi easy as a fodder since he has no abilities to protect him self from obitos kamui...

And don't be stupid.....Itachi has never faught with nagato as a result he knows nothing of what he is capable off.... for all his life in akutsuki, he has fought with only kisami...and.... you fail their again.... don't make me explain how the akutsuki system works. I won't waste time on you anyways..

And itachi would be able to do what he dis even if he wasn't edo. because either way nagato never even had the chance to lay a hand on him...

So you fail their again sir.

You claim that izanami is plot no jutsu right? Then why is kakashi still alive even after he used kamui so many times? I'd say that's bullshit plot no justu... so their...

You have no argument. quit making up facts like you know this manga from inside out...Go read it all over again if you still believe kakshi has the speed of A (LMAO!). he cant even properly walk now lol.

para 1 : why can't kakashi be as fast as raikage ? i was talking about base raikage, not v2 raikage :trolled: .

para 2 : i didn't said kakashi is fighting obito toe to toe, what i really wanted to say is, kakashi's speed have increased so much that he can catch up to naruto and obito's speed.
And same can be said for naruto, if kakashi wasn't there ,naruto would have been hitting a hologram.

para 3 : well wasn't itachi considered a genius? Do you think he would have no knowledge about rinnegan ? But he did a great job figuring out weakness of chibaku tensei. Still saying he figured out all the nagato techniques in seconds is BS :sy:

para 4 : Itachi would never be able to do anything if he was non edo. He would have fallen in first few seconds becoz of using susano.

para 5 : izanami is a plot no jutsu. Why? Because in the whole NV, the only person it could pawn was kabuto,
I don't think we would see use of izanami in near future again , while kamui have alot of uses, which you have already seen.

para 6 : ... nvm.

 

[hatake89]

Personally id say kakashi cause of feats but then again itachi has high praise and hype so its hard to decide. Can praise and hype be addes as evidence?

 

[daviddragon]

both of kakashi and itachi are a very good analyser. i can't say who better than who.

 

[bl4ckJack]

Both Are Pretty Good ... 'nuff Said U_U

 

[uchiha goku]

itachi is smarter in everyway. please no fanboyism. Itachi outsmarted his every opponent.

 

[uchiha goku]

para 1 : why can't kakashi be as fast as raikage ? i was talking about base raikage, not v2 raikage :trolled: .

para 2 : i didn't said kakashi is fighting obito toe to toe, what i really wanted to say is, kakashi's speed have increased so much that he can catch up to naruto and obito's speed.
And same can be said for naruto, if kakashi wasn't there ,naruto would have been hitting a hologram.

para 3 : well wasn't itachi considered a genius? Do you think he would have no knowledge about rinnegan ? But he did a great job figuring out weakness of chibaku tensei. Still saying he figured out all the nagato techniques in seconds is BS :sy:

para 4 : Itachi would never be able to do anything if he was non edo. He would have fallen in first few seconds becoz of using susano.

para 5 : izanami is a plot no jutsu. Why? Because in the whole NV, the only person it could pawn was kabuto,
I don't think we would see use of izanami in near future again , while kamui have alot of uses, which you have already seen.

para 6 : ... nvm.

wow kid sorry.. u are senseless..

 

[hatake89]

itachi is smarter in everyway. please no fanboyism. Itachi outsmarted his every opponent.

I wouldnt count kabuto. Since he was edo he survived a few fatal hits or else he woulda died. Its more like he used edo tensei to his advantage not outsmarted kabuto.

 

[Direcorpse]

BUT past is history, if we talk about present,

1. Itachi was the only person who could stop edo tensei, due to his knowledge of izanami. (plot no jutsu)
2. kakashi would be killed by kabuto ? NO! ---Kabuto do not have any counter to kamui
3. Don't turn this into a vs thread, you are the one who is denying the fact. Currently kakashi is fighting toe to toe with Tobi and he is able to catch up with the speed of naruto ... Naruto is arguably the fastest now, and to catch up with him, he must have speed of atleast raikage A.
4. Itachi saved them against nagato ? yes itachi did, but whatever he did, he did it in edo form. Edo itachi > kakashi .
5. Decoded nagato's abilities ? :rofl:
He was in akatsuki for god knows how many years, he was supporting nagato as his legs for like 30 hrs in the war,
and you think he wouldn't know nagato's abilities ? :sy:

1. Itachi is a well capable person, capable of instilling fear even to Tobi and leaving Kisame to admit he's a force to be reckoned with. Izanami's simply part of his arsenal, yet you're willing to claim it's plot-no-jutsu. I sense jealousy here...
2. Of course Kabuto will be willing to stand still, and be hit with Kamui.
3. Catch up, you mean what? You mean his ocular eyes can keep up with the speed? Or he can keep up with the speed himself? kakashi and tobi both has sharingans, and they can both keep up with his speed. He's not going toe to toe either, it was 4 vs 1 get your facts straight.
4. Your reasoning is flawed, being that he didn't take advantage of himself being revived in Edo to produce all those outcomes. So are you trying to argue that in edo-form, Itachi is capable of finding out the link visions while if he was still alive he wouldn't? Also, that every Jutsu has a weakness? Your claims are silly.
5. Show me proof that they spent 30 or so hours together, learning each other's abilities? If you can't, then your argument (yet again) is flawed. All we know is that they were in Akatsuki, it was never stated that any of them had knowledge over Nagato's real power (except Konan and Tobi since they spoke to each other directly ).

All in all, as stated before, it's a tough call and could go for Kakashi since we've seen him battle more times than we saw Itachi.

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

I think your grammar gave me cancer

If you have cancer, go to the hospital, instead of making a post that makes you sound "cool".

 

[Frikid]

1. Itachi is a well capable person, capable of instilling fear even to Tobi and leaving Kisame to admit he's a force to be reckoned with. Izanami's simply part of his arsenal, yet you're willing to claim it's plot-no-jutsu. I sense jealousy here...
2. Of course Kabuto will be willing to stand still, and be hit with Kamui.
3. Catch up, you mean what? You mean his ocular eyes can keep up with the speed? Or he can keep up with the speed himself? kakashi and tobi both has sharingans, and they can both keep up with his speed. He's not going toe to toe either, it was 4 vs 1 get your facts straight.
4. Your reasoning is flawed, being that he didn't take advantage of himself being revived in Edo to produce all those outcomes. So are you trying to argue that in edo-form, Itachi is capable of finding out the link visions while if he was still alive he wouldn't? Also, that every Jutsu has a weakness? Your claims are silly.
5. Show me proof that they spent 30 or so hours together, learning each other's abilities? If you can't, then your argument (yet again) is flawed. All we know is that they were in Akatsuki, it was never stated that any of them had knowledge over Nagato's real power (except Konan and Tobi since they spoke to each other directly ).

All in all, as stated before, it's a tough call and could go for Kakashi since we've seen him battle more times than we saw Itachi.

1. I don't think there is anyone who could get defeated by izanami in whole NV except kabuto.
2. The only one who can counter kamui is obito.
3. Yup they can both keep up with naruto's speed. thats all i wanted to say.
4. Itachi cannot remain in susano 24 x 7 . Thanks to edo he was able to use susano without worrying about his health.
5. Sure...

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They have been walking like this for quite a while.. they were talking like friends...
Nagato would have told him about his abilities or hinted him before the fight.
Also nagato was telling them what attack he is gonna do before he do it. Also don't even compare nagato with itachi, nagato >> itachi.

 

[Raikiri10]

I'm a Kakashi fan more so then an Itachi fan but I truly think that Itachi's analytical skills are better based off what I have read from the manga thus far.

 

[UchihaSunshine]

After reading 2,3 pages I realized that this thread is made by Kakashi fan and he doesn't know what's he debating about.
Please fully, research and understand what you want to point then try make explanation.
Your thread looks like: /Kakashi is smart than Itachi because "spamming mix of messed up your understanding of battle tactics and being smart in a short term"/.

For me, I'm with Itachi on this.

 

[Dubbuoo]

Itachi has been shown to be analytical and perceptive, being able to deduce the inner workings and weaknesses of powerful techniques, even while under pressure. He orchestrated his battle against Sasuke to bring about his desired outcomes, and even account for the possibility that his plan wouldn't go as intended by sealing his power into Sasuke and placing a special crow inside of Naruto Uzumaki. Even Tobi himself admitted that if he hadn't kept a few secrets from Itachi he would be dead.
On top of his perceptive skills, Kabuto also noted that Itachi possessed skill in deception due to Itachi's ability to read people's feelings, and this made him a ninja of lies up until his death.

Itachi worked out and disabled the shared vision of nagato with mere kunai, figured out chibaku tensie. more importantly kakshi would never have been able to use a plan to end edo tensie.

two things.

-the arguments for kakshi have been much weaker than itachi's so using the word 'fanboy' has brought the point of this thread down
-work on your grammar it sucks.​

I think after this...

shit just, burn baby burn

 

[Biju Hunter]

There is no point to this thread but whatever i voted Itachi.

whatever

 

[blackjose]

Itachi is my favorite character but... Itachis jutsus and skills are much stronger than kakashis ..so
kakashis have to think much more for a plan than itachi... Lets say that skills,jutsus,etc are tools to achieve a goal. In other words Itachi has more and better tools than kakashi... So for itachi is much easier to come up with a succesfull strategy... That is something that you ppl have to understand before you go into a choise... So i think if kakashi and itachi can solve a problem with the same result then kakashi is the winner... I think i explained it good...

 

[yellowxflash]

Kakashi has shown more in the manga so kakashi is the logical choice no brainer