Who had the better sons?

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Quantity beats quality. Hashirama and Tobirama were great shinobi, but it seems like Indra's descendants had far too much potential in comparison to the Senju.

Hashirama and Tobirama carried the Senju on their backs to be honest. If most Senju's were like them I could understand the pro-Senju ideas but it seems that more Uchiha's were born with unique and amazing powers in comparison to the Senju.

the senju were strong even without hashirama and tobirama...their names just weren't relevant to the plot

 

[Styles]

Sasuke+8.5 bijuu+Hagoromo's power has been controled by Naruto+0.5bijuu not using his hagoromo boost...Don' t forget the fact that controling someone is way more difficult than killing someone.
The difference between Naruto and Sasuke is enormous ,8 bijuu + hagoromo's boost is the difference between them.

You guy's say this same thing yet Sasuke didn't use "8.5" bijuu's. He took a bit from each bijuu and put it into his Susano'o. No different than Naruto having 1-9 bijuu's chakra inside of him. No it's not Naruto knows how to fight without killing intent he's been doing it since pain arc. Sasuke bit of bijuu's chakra sage chakra Itachi's chakra. Naruto 1-8 bijuu's chakra. Kurama's chakra. Sage chakra.

therefore its a fanfic,

It isn't buy believe that i guess.

kishimoto stated that ashura matched indra with his own power and effort

Hagoromo kinda said otherwise tbh. He said because he left everything to Ashura that caused Indra vs Ashura that's why he gave both power.

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[gerizzyYMcrew]

Hagoromo kinda said otherwise tbh. He said because he left everything to Ashura that caused Indra vs Ashura that's why he gave both power.

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he meant ninshu

 

[davidou]

You guy's say this same thing yet Sasuke didn't use "8.5" bijuu's. He took a bit from each bijuu and put it into his Susano'o. No different than Naruto having 1-9 bijuu's chakra inside of him. No it's not Naruto knows how to fight without killing intent he's been doing it since pain arc. Sasuke bit of bijuu's chakra sage chakra Itachi's chakra. Naruto 1-8 bijuu's chakra. Kurama's chakra. Sage chakra.

Sasuke took as much chakra as he could control and transform into lighting, if he was better he would have taken all their chakra, it is his fault if he isn' t skilled enough to use those weapons at their full potential.
Even with 8.5 bijuus added to his arsenal he couldn' t rival Naruto not using his 1-8 bijuus and his Hago boost.

You' re denying that controlling is more difficult than killing...

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

he meant ninshu

He meant six paths chakra along with Ninshuu. There's literally a manga-scan showing Asura with truth-seeker orbs behind his avatar while Indra only had a Susano'o. Despite the difference in power, Indra stalemated with his brother, which shows that Asura just wasn't all that strong.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

He meant six paths chakra along with Ninshuu. There's literally a manga-scan showing Asura with truth-seeker orbs behind his avatar while Indra only had a Susano'o. Despite the difference in power, Indra stalemated with his brother, which shows that Asura just wasn't all that strong.

hagoromo didn't say a damn thing about giving his chakra to ashura...he meant ninshu...and we have no idea if those orbs were truth seekers or not...and if they were then thanks for admitting that ashura is a genius for achieving that feat on his own...remember hagoromo said that ashura matched indra with "his own power and effort" in chapter 670...lololololol

ps @ bold has to be one of the dumbest things ever typed of all-time...yes yes ashura otsutsuki was "fodder"...lololololol

 

[Umari Senju]

who would you be more proud to call your grandson, Hashirama or Madara?

That's a tricky question. Back then both had their reasons for fighting and both brought an end to it. Both founded Kanoha in the name of peace...Maddy just kind of got enough with it all when the distrust from everyone else was present.

Curse of darkness, love too....much that stuff.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

hagoromo didn't say a damn thing about giving his chakra to ashura...he meant ninshu...and we have no idea if those orbs were truth seekers or not...and if they were then thanks for admitting that ashura is a genius for achieving that feat on his own...remember hagoromo said that ashura matched indra with "his own power and effort" in chapter 670...lololololol

ps @ bold has to be one of the dumbest things ever typed of all-time...yes yes ashura otsutsuki was "fodder"...lololololol

He did admit to giving his power to Asura. Ninshuu was not an ability, it was a way of life. He also did not achieve the power on his own, because the Six Paths Senjutsu belongs to only the Sage while the Rinnegan itself is simply created by merging Indra and Asura.

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[SixPathsMike101]

Ugh, hashirama was the deciding factor as Madara was the strongest from his clan. Take them both out of the equation, who's stronger?

Itachi>>>>Anyone you name.

Naruto is an uzumaki descendant. bam.

 

[davidou]

He did admit to giving his power to Asura. Ninshuu was not an ability, it was a way of life. He also did not achieve the power on his own, because the Six Paths Senjutsu belongs to only the Sage while the Rinnegan itself is simply created by merging Indra and Asura.

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When Hagoromo said that he gave power to both, he was referring to Naruto and Sasuke.

Chakra connects spirits, it can be used as a weapon, but it still connects spirits, and that was a fact from the start of part 1 Naruto.Ninshuu is the school to learn how to master this property.Naruto, as the transmigrant of the protector of ninshuu, is a prodigy at ninshuu, he could connect his chakra and his spirit to every shinobi on the battlefield.

Ashura is more probably using tail beast bombs as we see his avatar create one black ball in the same manner Naruto does create a rasengan.Remember that a rasengan in bijuu mode=bijuu bomb.

 

[Umari Senju]

The last to extinct are the Uchiha. So technically they won the war, and that implies Indra is superior to Ashura.

Technically speaking, the Uchiha still has a pure blood, so the clan hasn't died out yet. Plus, we don't know if Itachi really only let Sasuke escape the massacre. There could have been someone else.

@Bold: This always bothered me as well. You're going to have us believe that in a village that sends Ninja to all parts of the continent on covert mission, every single Uchiha was present the night of the Uchiha massacre? Like not even a few of them were out on missions when this happened?

I find that hard to believe too. I feel some of them heard what happened and went into hiding.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

The cycle continued because Indra kept taking the L. Ashura is GOAT.

Nothing implied Uchiha had the edge until Hashirama appeared. The Senju were better than them. And Hashi, an outlier was greater than their outlier, Madara. The other Uchiha: Itachi, Sasuke, Shisui, Obito, etc, were not of the time between the Senju. But within those three generations, Indra wins. Overall, it's Ashura though.

 

[iConquer]

Never in History did an Uchiha Win, From Ashura vs Indra to Naruto vs Sasuke. Just ask Black Zetsu, he waited for so long for someone who will be successful until Madara cheat and use the DNA of Hashirama, a success but fall short, 1 shot by black zetsu. But, Itachi, Shisui and DBMS Obito will Blitz 99% of them all.

 

[MomoSaka]

Asura

 

[Styles]

Never in History did an Uchiha Win, From Ashura vs Indra to Naruto vs Sasuke. Just ask Black Zetsu, he waited for so long for someone who will be successful until Madara cheat and use the DNA of Hashirama, a success but fall short, 1 shot by black zetsu. But, Itachi, Shisui and DBMS Obito will Blitz 99% of them all.

Indra and Ashura killed each other. Madara and Hashirama kinda had no winner since Madara fought him to get his DNA and fake his death but Hashirama was a bit stronger at that time but no one took an L. And Naruto and Sasuke had a draw. So false Indra never lost to Ashura.

 

[davidou]

Indra and Ashura killed each other. Madara and Hashirama kinda had no winner since Madara fought him to get his DNA and fake his death but Hashirama was a bit stronger at that time but no one took an L. And Naruto and Sasuke had a draw. So false Indra never lost to Ashura.

He never said that Indra lost to Ashura.Indra just never won.

 

[Styles]

He never said that Indra lost to Ashura.Indra just never won.

:wut: He said Indra and his transmigrants never won. But Ashura's haven't either theoretically. Hashi vs Madara. Madara needed his DNA and to fake his death. Indra and Ashura killed each other. Naruto and Sasuke nearly had the same fate as Indra and Ashura if not for Sakura.

 

[davidou]

:wut: He said Indra and his transmigrants never won. But Ashura's haven't either theoretically. Hashi vs Madara. Madara needed his DNA and to fake his death. Indra and Ashura killed each other. Naruto and Sasuke nearly had the same fate as Indra and Ashura if not for Sakura.

You said False although he didn' t say something false.

Indra and his trans. never succeed, all of them never attained their goals, they are losers, unlike Ashura and his trans.
Ashura' s side are good winners, and Indra' s are bad losers.

 

[iConquer]

Indra and Ashura killed each other. Madara and Hashirama kinda had no winner since Madara fought him to get his DNA and fake his death but Hashirama was a bit stronger at that time but no one took an L. And Naruto and Sasuke had a draw. So false Indra never lost to Ashura.

Madara was defeated already once before the VotE, and he didn't fake his death for that plan, he use the Izanagi as fail safe if he die which obviously would just be in mere chance of succeeding, if only Tobirama destroyed his body instead of keeping it.

Naruto vs Sasuke is a draw? LMAO

We are not just talking about who win in the battle, but whose will is stronger. Sasuke not just lose the battle, he gave up/surrender.

Last time I checked Indra was killed by Ashura. So true, Indra was never meant to succeed, he lose to Ashura already on the first encounter.

 

[iConquer]

Itachi and Shishui are Uchihas but have the Heart of the Senjus.

If given a chance they would stand against Madara's or Indra's Ideal, so I don't think they should be called "successor"(or how does it called) of Indra.