Who had the better sons?

[L O S T]

Hashirama was exceedingly OP dude. Sure as hell Hashirama was the deciding factor in the battle.

check the edit.

 

[Styles]

That can't be true. I think Madara was just precocious, as was Hashirama. Hashirama at that age could handle adults and he hadn't but his taijutsu then. If Hashirama could kill adults with purely taijutsu, then the same was for Madara.

Which part can't be true?

 

[L O S T]

Then there's this. Madara wasn't even trusted by his own clan because of what he did during the war and his unrealistic ideals.

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This just proves how superior of a clan the senju were by idealism and dominance. The will of fire is still carried by everyone in the village and even by the newer generation, thus concludes that Ashura negs.

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[lndra]

Hashirama is the strongest Senju, whom no Uchiha can match without outside powers. That already proves who has the strongest descendant right there. I don't want to hear excuses either about removing Hashirama (or Madara) to prove a nonexistent argument. Fact is, Madara/Hashirama are probably the most powerful up to date Senju/Uchiha respectfully whom were in their prime before receiving ass-pull powers. And Senju were clearly superior.

Madara's brother, Izuna, who was regarded to be equal to

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I don't know if Uzumaki count as related to the Ashura side, because they are more aligned towards the Senju, who are direct descendants of the Sage's son. But regardless, there's a promising argument for Naruto and his children as well.

Ashura side definitely has created promising Geniuses too.

 

[Ababeel]

Considering that Ashura got power from his papa and still had a stalemate with Indra and Naruto and Sasuke being equals says otherwise. Only Hashirama was really stronger.

Do we know for sure that indra stalemated Asura?

Sasuke needed the help from 8.5 Bijuus against a holding back Naruto who was also exhausted. That's saying a lot...

Sasuke lost those 8.5 Bijuus making him weaker, and Naruto gained the other half of Kurama making him stronger than how he was. They aren't really equal in term of power.

 

[Melanin]

To be fair, it was stated that Izuna and Madara were equals before Madara achieved EMS. So actually yes. Or his Performance against juubito, this Dude is sick!

PLOT!

 

[Styles]

Do we know for sure that indra stalemated Asura?

Sasuke needed the help from 8.5 Bijuus against a holding back Naruto who was also exhausted. That's saying a lot...

Sasuke lost those 8.5 Bijuus making him weaker, and Naruto gained the other half of Kurama making him stronger than how he was. They aren't really equal in term of power.

We do because they killed each other. Can't have a stalemate with 1 dead and 1 alive.

Sasuke did in no way need the bijuu's. Naruto was also not holding back. He didn't have killing intent that's it but Naruto never have killing intent. Both were exhausted and both had a power up mid fight Sasuke absorbing bijuu's chakra and Naruto having Kurama gather loads of nature energy. Still had a stalemate.

They are Sasuke mastered Rinnegan and still have the Susano'o he displayed with the bijuu's. If he want to make the Susano'o again logically he could make PS use Preta/outer path and absorb Kurama's chakra or techniques and store it into Susano'o. They're on par threw and threw.

 

[Genocide]

We do because they killed each other. Can't have a stalemate with 1 dead and 1 alive.

Sasuke did in no way need the bijuu's. Naruto was also not holding back. He didn't have killing intent that's it but Naruto never have killing intent. Both were exhausted and both had a power up mid fight Sasuke absorbing bijuu's chakra and Naruto having Kurama gather loads of nature energy. Still had a stalemate.

They are Sasuke mastered Rinnegan and still have the Susano'o he displayed with the bijuu's. If he want to make the Susano'o again logically he could make PS use Preta/outer path and absorb Kurama's chakra or techniques and store it into Susano'o. They're on par threw and threw.

indra and asura didnt kill each other though

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Neither. By complete coincidence, they both only had daughters, who had to marry into other minor clans, which is why the Senju and Uchiha clans are seperate, rather than both still being the Ootsutsuki Clan.

 

[Styles]

indra and asura didnt kill each other though

They did tho. That's also why they transmigrate at the same time threw their life's.

 

[Genocide]

They did tho. That's also why they transmigrate at the same time threw their life's.

Asura was able to defeat Indra, who refused to acknowledge his brother and forcing him to retreat. Years later, Indra went into hiding and formed a sect that supported ninjutsu. As Hagoromo was rendered bedridden as he neared the end of his life, Indra approached his estranged father, boldly telling him that his cowardly approach to peace would only bring about greater wars, which Indra would take advantage of to destroy ninshū, vowing to do so in as many

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[davidou]

Nothing anywhere in the manga ever even hints that Minato or Jiraiya were descendants or related to the clan somehow, so stop leaping to such claims.

It's because you didn' t see those hints, that doesn' t mean that they don' t exist, that means that you are not a carefull reader because they exist, many members saw some of them.

But the other two can't possibly have been Senju descendants as they had clan names, while Jiraiya's was kept in the unknown.

, and Naruto Uzumaki isn' t the son of Minato Namikaze because of his name?Interesting way of thinking, but you are wrong, Minato is Naruto' s father.

 

[Styles]

Asura was able to defeat Indra, who refused to acknowledge his brother and forcing him to retreat. Years later, Indra went into hiding and formed a sect that supported ninjutsu. As Hagoromo was rendered bedridden as he neared the end of his life, Indra approached his estranged father, boldly telling him that his cowardly approach to peace would only bring about greater wars, which Indra would take advantage of to destroy ninshū, vowing to do so in as many

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Which was taken from filler. The same filler that gave Ashura Mokuton the same filler that gave Hagoromo Sharingan Susano'o and SM. The same filler that gave Indra Sasuke's MS design and Susano'o with Chidori. That never happened in the manga.

 

[Genocide]

Which was taken from filler. The same filler that gave Ashura Mokuton the same filler that gave Hagoromo Sharingan Susano'o and SM. The same filler that gave Indra Sasuke's MS design and Susano'o with Chidori. That never happened in the manga.

so what makes you think that they killed each other? is it just your gut feeling?

 

[Sagebee]

Indra obviously, he has the stronger descendants imo. I'm gonna get flammed for saying that huh? Lol

Hashi could solo all indras kids what you talking about rasta.

 

[Styles]

so what makes you think that they killed each other? is it just your gut feeling?

Because it was basically said in the manga.

 

[Genocide]

Because it was basically said in the manga.

was it?

 

[take it easy]

Ashura ofcourse. Madara and Sasuke needed extra powerups to fight with Naruto and Hashi.

 

[Genocide]

Ashura ofcourse. Madara and Sasuke needed extra powerups to fight with Naruto and Hashi.

your sig lmao that guy is retarded

 

[Ababeel]

We do because they killed each other. Can't have a stalemate with 1 dead and 1 alive.

Sasuke did in no way need the bijuu's. Naruto was also not holding back. He didn't have killing intent that's it but Naruto never have killing intent. Both were exhausted and both had a power up mid fight Sasuke absorbing bijuu's chakra and Naruto having Kurama gather loads of nature energy. Still had a stalemate.

They are Sasuke mastered Rinnegan and still have the Susano'o he displayed with the bijuu's. If he want to make the Susano'o again logically he could make PS use Preta/outer path and absorb Kurama's chakra or techniques and store it into Susano'o. They're on par threw and threw.

- Don't remember if we were told that they killed each others tbh, but maybe... :hm

- Of course he did. Lol
I think you are making up excuses and ignoring manga-facts.

Even after using the Bijuus the first time, Sasuke still think he needs the Bijuu

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He even said "I need" but you think he does not? Interesting...

Naruto was holding back. It was stated directly. There is no way around it.

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- Sage mode, is Naruto's power. I don't see why you take it as something seperated.
By your logic, Hashirama also needed help against Madara since he was using SM, which doesn't make sense, does it?

- The fight mentioned Naruto's exhaustion

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I don't know from where you came up with Sasuke being exhausted however. Can you provide the page please? Thank you.

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