Ultimate Body vs Ultimate Eye

[LeSauce]

Sasuke said through a number of means, he even mentioned transmigration, the rinnegan on its own doesn't grant immortality.

Kamui wrecks nothing if the eye goes blind without body power, not to mention eye users won't have the speed to keep up with the body users.

It isn't related to the dimensions, it is a rift in space that allows kaguya to teleport. The technique that involves dimensions is amenominika. The manga nor the data book make any connection between this technique and amenominika. Infact yomotsu was described as the first S/T ninjutsu which meant it came before amenominika and suggests kaguya had it long before she ate the fruit.

How can they react when they are slow, you realize that kaguya was fast due to body power right?

Body users can obliterate dimensions, what chance is there to use IT when the moon can be one shotted with ease

"Reincarnation, immortality... I have numerous options." - that's the VIZ; He isn't saying Reincarnation is his way to immortality.

Rinnegan doesn't go blind. They may not be as fast, but they can definitely react, and that's all they need to do.

" It allows her to create an opening in space through which she can freely enter and exit any of her six dimensions, and it could be said that this technique was the original (元祖, original, founding, pioneering) Space-Time Ninjutsu. It goes on to describe it as being similar to Kamui in that it can be used to trap enemies, for transportation, and so forth (all the things we say Kaguya doing with it)." - straight from DB.

Using S/T to react has nothing to do with the body. She couldn't react with her body, that's why she resorted to S/T.

No they don't. BZ had Rinnegan, and Naruto would have gotten caught without it. Not to mention they literally say that you need Rinnegan to not get caught.

 

[HENI]

Body wins because the eye users known they will be vulnerable to some type of blindness and so will require the power of SM from the body users.

Then you have TSB which will nullify the doutsu abilities. Immortality is the last factor that gives the advantage to the body users.

TSB can't nullify Kotoamatsukami, Tsukuyomi, Izanami, Infinite Tsukuyomi. Not to mention, the ultimate eye user will have TSB too due to Tenseigan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ppl are saying IT like the ultimate body can't destroy the moon with ease... lmfao.

 

[KingHashirama]

Most of those "eye powers" require a good body power to run on.



Hagoromo's, Madara's, Kaguya's.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naturally a lot of the posts on here are cringeworthy, mainly the ones supporting the body team. Eye team shit stomps and it's not even close.

Not sure where immortality, expansive Gudo Dama, or speed and strength that far surpass the eye team came from, but all I see is nothing but fanfic. Body characters never have and never will blow their eye counterparts out of the water in physical ability.

-Base Sasuke and Base Naruto were matched at VoTe.
-Sasuke and RSM Naruto were matched in the Boruto Movie.
-Hashirama and Madara were matched at VotE as well.

Expansive Gudo Dama shouldn't even be mentioned when body can't get the chakra needed to use it without having Infinite Tsukuyomi, which is only accessible to the eye powers.

Immortality has never been correlated to body or eyes. Even if Team body was immortal, they still get wrecked as Team Eye doesn't need to be able to kill team body to win. (Kamui, Ameno)

And why the actual hell is blindness being mentioned?

All Sharingan/MS/EMS powers, All Rinnegan powers, all Tenseigan powers, All Byakugan powers, all Rinne Sharingan powers

Last time I checked, eternal light was an attribute of EMS. :lol Not to mention Obito w/ Hashirama's chakra spammed Kamui for years straight and was fine. Kakashi with Hagoromo's power used PS. Eyes w/ Tenseigan Chakra Mode and Rinnegan (thus Hagoromo's power) easily spam MS techs.

 

[SatanicGod]

Body take this. Body have ash killing bones. and kaguya's other techniques.

This isn't even fair, body users have immortality.

How does body have Ash Killing Bone???

Besides, eye has IT and that alone wipes out Body Power in one go

 

[HENI]

Ppl are saying IT like the ultimate body can't destroy the moon with ease... lmfao.

Body has no counter for Infinite Tsukuyomi

 

[SatanicGod]

Body wins because the eye users known they will be vulnerable to some type of blindness and so will require the power of SM from the body users.

Then you have TSB which will nullify the doutsu abilities. Immortality is the last factor that gives the advantage to the body users.

Infinite Tsukuyomi GG

 

[Dantee]

Kamui, Ameno and IT on the same side lol....IZanagi,Izanami the list goes on....

 

[Gerkak]

"Reincarnation, immortality... I have numerous options." - that's the VIZ; He isn't saying Reincarnation is his way to immortality.

I never said it was, I said that he never said rinnegan was his way to achieve it.

Rinnegan doesn't go blind. They may not be as fast, but they can definitely react, and that's all they need to do.

Indeed it doesn't but the eye that grants kamui does. They can't react to it, There is no rinnegan user without body buffs that can react to kaguya. Before you bring sasuke, he recieved half of hogoromo's chakra which has body power that's why he is superior to rinnegan madara.

" It allows her to create an opening in space through which she can freely enter and exit any of her six dimensions, and it could be said that this technique was the original (元祖, original, founding, pioneering) Space-Time Ninjutsu. It goes on to describe it as being similar to Kamui in that it can be used to trap enemies, for transportation, and so forth (all the things we say Kaguya doing with it)." - straight from DB.

I concede.

No they don't. BZ had Rinnegan, and Naruto would have gotten caught without it. Not to mention they literally say that you need Rinnegan to not get caught.

Yeah naruto would have gotten caught, but blasting the moon takes care of IT.

How does body have Ash Killing Bone???

How does it not? Are you saying the power came from kaguya's dojutsu?

 

[HENI]

I never said it was, I said that he never said rinnegan was his way to achieve it.



Indeed it doesn't but the eye that grants kamui does. They can't react to it, There is no rinnegan user without body buffs that can react to kaguya. Before you bring sasuke, he recieved half of hogoromo's chakra which has body power that's why he is superior to rinnegan madara.



I concede.



Yeah naruto would have gotten caught, but blasting the moon takes care of IT.

Not really, because Rinne Sharingan can put individuals under IT as well, without the moon.

 

[Warlocks]

Ultimate Body

 

[Nick01]

Infinite Tsukuyomi says hi

Speed Blitz says GG.

Btw isn't the ten tails chakra needed to perform the jutsu as well as the Rinne Sharingan.

 

[HENI]

Speed Blitz says GG.

Btw isn't the ten tails chakra needed to perform the jutsu as well as the Rinne Sharingan.

Kaguya didn't need the Ten tails to use Rinne Sharingan. She only needed to eat the Shinju fruit.

 

[Dantee]

what will body users do against KA and kamui combined?

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Lol IT and immortality. Madara has both.
This thread makes you appreciate how hax Madara was.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

And why the actual hell is blindness being mentioned?



Last time I checked, eternal light was an attribute of EMS. :lol Not to mention Obito w/ Hashirama's chakra spammed Kamui for years straight and was fine. Kakashi with Hagoromo's power used PS. Eyes w/ Tenseigan Chakra Mode and Rinnegan (thus Hagoromo's power) easily spam MS techs.

I am guessing you were referring to me about your blindness post and I have to admit I forgot a second there that EMS users are immune to the blindness side effect. When I think about it now, it seems that the Body users would have no counter to IT because they don't have a Rinnegan to dispel it. Thanks bruh for catching my mistake.

 

[LeSauce]

I never said it was, I said that he never said rinnegan was his way to achieve it.



Indeed it doesn't but the eye that grants kamui does. They can't react to it, There is no rinnegan user without body buffs that can react to kaguya. Before you bring sasuke, he recieved half of hogoromo's chakra which has body power that's why he is superior to rinnegan madara.



I concede.



Yeah naruto would have gotten caught, but blasting the moon takes care of IT.



How does it not? Are you saying the power came from kaguya's dojutsu?

How else is he supposed to achieve it? Not to mention another fan translation has him saying that because of the Rinnegans power, both reincarnation and Immortality would be available to him among other things.

Kamui doesn't when you have a doujutsu above MS. PS Kakashi didn't go blind.

They can because they have. Kaguya proved that they can by simply switching dimensions when Sasuke and Naruto were too fast for her. Obito did the same to KCM Naruto and to JJ Madara. Sasuke did the same to Kinshiki. Kakashi did the same to Kaguya, even when he only got eye powers. Their eye powers allow them to react.

As well, the only way to have Rinnegan or RinneSharingan is to have Hagoromos chakra. You're effectively nerfing them, but even with that they'd still win.

Blasting the moon? None of them have those kind of feats. Naruto's strongest jutsu clashed with Sasuke's and didn't even create a crater close to the size of the moon.

 

[take it easy]

Expanding tsb negs team eyes.

 

[Warlocks]

Speed Blitz says GG.

Btw isn't the ten tails chakra needed to perform the jutsu as well as the Rinne Sharingan.

all that tak that Infinite Tsukuyomi gg but without jubai jin or rsm they cant use it lolol

Infinite Tsukuyomi can only be used when 1 who has body and eye both power

lol sasuke fan forgot that

and rin cant be unlock without body power