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germany should be wiping the floor with greece, theyre not playing in full form, its irritating me
 

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You know, I listen sport news quite a lot and C.Ronaldo was getting criticize in the first 2 matches. But at the last 2 matches he proved himself as a leader in the Portugal team.
Right after that the analysts changed the way of talking about him and all agreed for him being the best player. And I was like "WOW, really?"
As there were other players that played good games, yeah, like Iniesta. Even over the net I read that he was the best till now. So, when I read your lists I got surprised as I was expecting some other lists where C.Ronaldo was number one. :p
That is the media for you. Degrade players after a few bad performance, and than praise them after one, or two.

As me and Escorp spoke of earlier sadly a striker will always have top priorities when it comes down to determining the best performance overall (season and/or competition wise).

CR7 is doing good, but others have done all round better and add more influence in there teams. Inesita right now is the back bone of Spain his performance stays like this we may taste success once more, or if others pick up will be a plus, but than football is full of surprises.

Actually, I won't mind to stop talking it at times, but it just keeps popping.

It's hard to see a team hit the post 10 times but I don't think it's inconsistent from the player. Sure, finishing could be better but there's such a minim difference between a post and a goal that I think at times, it's down to luck. A player might try the exact shot and scores on a good day but on a bad day... Also, strikers are now forced to use clinical finishing and shooting near post has become an obligation rather than an inconsistent move.

Christophe Lollichon (Pter Cech's trainer at Chelsea) said that he made Cech view all penalties of Messi twice and same/if not more for Robben. On top of that, he watched it 10 times or so to get a better idea and he also made Chelsea's replacement goalkeepers' view it at least once. And it's not only for Chelsea's goalkeeping. Mostly all top-class goalkeepers are now subjected to intense mental training and intense homework.

Goalkeeping has become much more elaborated nowadays with even harder and detailed preparations beforehand. I remember that an interviewer asked Barthez his secrets about how he stopped Ronaldo in 1998 and he replied that his coach said to him to forget every of his experience knowledge on the Genius Brazilian and to go by instinct. Those days are long gone now. Now, it's all about preparation. Everything from a player's running speed to his body positioning to his eyeblinks...Everything is scrutinized in modern football.

And it also happened to me in FIFA. Only difference is that I was leading 1-0 in that way and it was only at half-time.

Yeah, Portugal's defense has been very good but at times, they seem panicked. They need to defend with more concentration to prevent those surprises from occurring.

Still, I don't know if I can rate Fabregas 7.5 or plus in every match; considering he played few minutes. Perhaps, I would have placed him among the Top if he played as starter in either against Ireland or Croatia.
That topic will be brought in throughout the next few years, and after Portugal either get knocked out, and/or win the tournament it will be brought back.

That was just a point I was trying to make, even so say they hit it twice and lose 1-0, that team/player/coach/fans would keep saying only if those went in we would have won. As I said football wise its not considered shot on target, thus why I stated inconsistent to football terms the way players/coaches/fans look at it. If you ask me in general I'd say it was a good effort, but would keep wondering it could have won it for us. Messi hit the post at least 2-3 times VS Chelsea, we could have won and/or had the chance too, but sadly it was poor finishing, but as I said football way of inconsistent on Messi part.

I have heard about that, even when Varas (Villarreal GK) stopped Messi PK he indicate he had studied all Messi PK, as well as went with his instinct in that shot. Didn't Messi shot hit the post when he took it VS Cech? I just saw it, indeed Cech positioned himself right, but Messi nailed the top a little lower I would have been running around yelling, "GOOOOOALL!"

Funny thing with Robben PK one of Chelsea defender/midfielder I forgot who (I think Mikel) went to Robben before he was taking the shot and said, "If Messi missed what makes you think you'll score? Cech knows were your coming from." LOL mind games.

As I said it isn't perfection, but a major help in the tournament, they took Denmark lightly, and were a bit loose on Netherlands, but played well VS Germany and Czech.

Well, thats the thing even tho Fabregas came off the bench he still did something, thus why its a 7.5 nevertheless including setting up the winning goal VS Croatia, which gives him the major boost IMO. Starting looks hard for him after the criticism on Spain and the fact right now Xavi/Inesita/Silva are doing better, but he has done well and does deserve a starting spot, but as I said he did just return from a injury, so they won't want to push him.


Germany VS Greece 4-2

Well Germany played well considering many starters were given a rest. As I said Ozil played amazing today. Germany dominated possession and shots, but Greece fought hard and credit to them, they levelled the game, but ended up conceding more after. They went out with some dignity nevertheless.

I feel for however wins from England/Italy. The defence they play will be a plus for them.
 

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Germany VS Greece 4-2

Well Germany played well considering many starters were given a rest. As I said Ozil played amazing today. Germany dominated possession and shots, but Greece fought hard and credit to them, they levelled the game, but ended up conceding more after. They went out with some dignity nevertheless.
Yeah, Greece players did as much as they could.

Actually, if the GK was better the results would be different now. The goalkeeper of Greece did a huge mistake with the 3rd goal if I recall it good.
About the penalty; I think that it shouldn't be given. And the cancelled goal at the 5th minute or so; It was a goal. That's at least what the commentator said.
 
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That topic will be brought in throughout the next few years, and after Portugal either get knocked out, and/or win the tournament it will be brought back.

That was just a point I was trying to make, even so say they hit it twice and lose 1-0, that team/player/coach/fans would keep saying only if those went in we would have won. As I said football wise its not considered shot on target, thus why I stated inconsistent to football terms the way players/coaches/fans look at it. If you ask me in general I'd say it was a good effort, but would keep wondering it could have won it for us. Messi hit the post at least 2-3 times VS Chelsea, we could have won and/or had the chance too, but sadly it was poor finishing, but as I said football way of inconsistent on Messi part.

I have heard about that, even when Varas (Villarreal GK) stopped Messi PK he indicate he had studied all Messi PK, as well as went with his instinct in that shot. Didn't Messi shot hit the post when he took it VS Cech? I just saw it, indeed Cech positioned himself right, but Messi nailed the top a little lower I would have been running around yelling, "GOOOOOALL!"

Funny thing with Robben PK one of Chelsea defender/midfielder I forgot who (I think Mikel) went to Robben before he was taking the shot and said, "If Messi missed what makes you think you'll score? Cech knows were your coming from." LOL mind games.

As I said it isn't perfection, but a major help in the tournament, they took Denmark lightly, and were a bit loose on Netherlands, but played well VS Germany and Czech.

Well, thats the thing even tho Fabregas came off the bench he still did something, thus why its a 7.5 nevertheless including setting up the winning goal VS Croatia, which gives him the major boost IMO. Starting looks hard for him after the criticism on Spain and the fact right now Xavi/Inesita/Silva are doing better, but he has done well and does deserve a starting spot, but as I said he did just return from a injury, so they won't want to push him.

Germany VS Greece 4-2

Well Germany played well considering many starters were given a rest. As I said Ozil played amazing today. Germany dominated possession and shots, but Greece fought hard and credit to them, they levelled the game, but ended up conceding more after. They went out with some dignity nevertheless.

I feel for however wins from England/Italy. The defence they play will be a plus for them.
It's still tiring to go through that each time. Portugal's performance at Euro - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. Supercopa appraoching - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. First classico nearing - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. Who score more goals in a match - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. Ballon D'Or in a month - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. Messi is having his child born - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. And b;ah blah blah happened - let's talk Messi/Ronaldo. In anycase, there are times where we really need to control ourselves. The comparison are getting excessive but there are fewer points to add. Both players have really been scrutinized way too much.

Yeah, he didn't score, so that' fans' reaction. But it's harsh to say that he did a bad shot. It just wasn't his day and he kept receiving the woes. The thing for penalties is that the player should keep his cool and give false indication to the goalkeeper. If you let the nerve-breaking penalty disturb you, you're considerably increasing the penalty's chance of not going in.

Penalties are purely a mental test with homework done. That's a reason why teams who defend will always have the upper hand in a PK shootout. Cause after suffering so much mentally but seeing continuous offenses against them, they finally see that they have more a chance than during the match. This gives considerable boost while it's the complete adverse effect on the team who was controlling the match. They might step out completely of the PK mental picture by reminding all those missed chances.

Lol at the line by that player. Now, that's some brilliant mind-game.

I'd keep Ozil even more after the match against Greece. Let's see how much Fab perform against France. It's refreshing to see a new comparison like Ozil/Fab instead of Ronaldo/Messi to say the truth.

Germany has kept being like that - a silent dominating storm. However there are portions where they drop their level or are less concentrated. For opponents, this is the only break to change the tide of the match. You could see that there was quite some frustration in German's side after the equaliser but Greece just didn't had the courage to defy that 'lowered' team and once you miss that opportunity, you're gonna be punished.

They had that moment against Denmark too but the Danes could get the equaliser and conceded a second at the late. Portugal were unlucky. They got their chance in last moments of the match but Pepe hit the bar and Varela hit on Neuer while he was so near of the goal. Netherlands's goal also seemed to give an edge to Holland but they were in so bad form that they couldn't get the advantage.

Right now, it's the same small portion of inconsistency and level-drop that's synonymous to Germany's "weakness". It's not sure when it'll occur but it will happen, just need to seize the maximum you can during that period. If England/Italy manages to keep the score level till that small period, then they got a chance to pull the upset. Cause whatsoever, Germany will be favorites to reach Final atleast.

Yeah, Greece players did as much as they could.

Actually, if the GK was better the results would be different now. The goalkeeper of Greece did a huge mistake with the 3rd goal if I recall it good.
About the penalty; I think that it shouldn't be given. And the cancelled goal at the 5th minute or so; It was a goal. That's at least what the commentator said.
It was offside - the first cancelled goal that is. The offside is decided when the shot was fired. At that instance, 2 German players were running towards the post - one offside and the other not. However, it was the offside player who push the ball dropped by the GK, into the net. Hence it's an offside. Commentators were most likely German.
 

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4-2... The worst part is that it was actually the initial score I thought of, but I didn't think Greece would be able to score that many and I didn't think Germany would beat Greece by scoring more than 3 goals. At least I was close :p

Today's match is pretty exciting, will it be defending champions Spain? Or will it be storming France? o_O One thing I'm wondering about, and that is if the rumors about inner arguments in the France camp are real or not, and if so, will it impact their moral?
After Holland were eliminated, Sneider went out and told the media that he and Robben had been at dispute. How much that affected the squad or not is unsure, but in the end they did poor. So I'm curious if the rumors of France and Ben Arfa wanting to be sent home hold any truth.

If there is bad moral within the squad, I fear this might turn ugly for France, but that's the only way I see Spain beating them with a good margin. I'm really picturing a close match, but I see Spain through to the Semis against Portugal after tonight's match. Maybe we're in for a surprise, but all in all, I think there really is only one winner in this one. Another note to have in mind is if France will have any aftereffects after their loss to Sweden in their last match. Can't wait till tonight.

I predict a 2-2 score and Spain through after one goal in extra time. 3-2 in advantage Spain.
 

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Yeah, Greece players did as much as they could.

Actually, if the GK was better the results would be different now. The goalkeeper of Greece did a huge mistake with the 3rd goal if I recall it good.
About the penalty; I think that it shouldn't be given. And the cancelled goal at the 5th minute or so; It was a goal. That's at least what the commentator said.
I would say that the keeper did all he could , now for instence Kedira's (I dont know his name spelling :p) goal that I think even Casillas might not be able to save .... Then Kloose goal again was a very vague header by him though it was the defender's mistake as he had let him pass by ...... I would say only Lahm's goal was the only one in which the keeper could have done a little more ..... as he had nearly got his finger on it ......
Penalty was rightly given as was a hand ball (BOTENG).
That was a very strong decision(off side) the ref had to take as was very close but the ref took the right decision ...
Anyways I am supporting Germany this time .......
Moreover, I have high expectations from England as well ....
 

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the 1st goal is purely the defense mistake, i see two players behind lahm yet the just let him pass like that :shrug:,

in the 2nd half Greece try to level the score, that's why they make a subs and change one of their player who have more defense with player who have more offence, but the result backfired them, well they did manage to level the score but their defense is wide open after that. it can't be helped :shrug:
 

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4-2... The worst part is that it was actually the initial score I thought of, but I didn't think Greece would be able to score that many and I didn't think Germany would beat Greece by scoring more than 3 goals. At least I was close :p

Today's match is pretty exciting, will it be defending champions Spain? Or will it be storming France? o_O One thing I'm wondering about, and that is if the rumors about inner arguments in the France camp are real or not, and if so, will it impact their moral?
After Holland were eliminated, Sneider went out and told the media that he and Robben had been at dispute. How much that affected the squad or not is unsure, but in the end they did poor. So I'm curious if the rumors of France and Ben Arfa wanting to be sent home hold any truth.

If there is bad moral within the squad, I fear this might turn ugly for France, but that's the only way I see Spain beating them with a good margin. I'm really picturing a close match, but I see Spain through to the Semis against Portugal after tonight's match. Maybe we're in for a surprise, but all in all, I think there really is only one winner in this one. Another note to have in mind is if France will have any aftereffects after their loss to Sweden in their last match. Can't wait till tonight.

I predict a 2-2 score and Spain through after one goal in extra time. 3-2 in advantage Spain.
At least you were close :p

The inner arguments are real but it's not like there's a definite fission among the group. It's just one fiery implosion that occurred after the Sweden match.

Reportedly, Ben Arfa clashed with Blanc verbally while Nasri and Benzema also said certain things to each other that well...better stay confidential. I personally think that it might turn disastrous but can also be a very good thing.

Let's analyze: They were on an unbeaten 23-match record. Their once egoistic players and broken youth started gelling well. They were in favorite position to end up first in Group D. However, their defense were showing worrying signs with Mexes continuously out of form and their offensive plays were good but stereotypical. Despite that, they were seeing "la Vie en rose" since they never paid any of their weaknesses until...Sweden.

That defeat bought them back to Earth IMO. It was uninvited, surprising and yet a good thing that they got a warning that they are not so strong. So, start concentrating harder on their matches. Obviously, such a sudden shock left immediate consequence and hence the aftermath and the inside "fight".

But as I said, it might lead to positive effects. If they did walk out with 7 points on top of Group D and started thinking that they might pose considerable threats to Spain, they could have been crushed. And that could have lead to irreversible effects. The Sweden defeat is a alarm that told them to wake up and that their glorious form was just a dream. They are still are a team who were humiliated in 2008 and 2010; so start busting your ass off before you are crushed.

Now, we should also see the negative aspects like they are broken by this defeat against Sweden. And when Spain will lead, they might see their South African demons haunting them back. And then, it will turn to a massacre.

Mexes is suspended and perhaps, it's a blessing in disguise as he was the weakest defender in Les Bleus. The dynamic duo of Kosielny-Rami may earn their stripes for good if they succeed in maintaining Spain at bay. Another thing is that their patient offensive construction won't really work against Spain; given the meager amount of possession France will have. They'll be forced to innovate a lot during their offensive moves; things they've barely done in Group Stages.

Now, bad morale or not - Spain are favorite but if France understood their flaws in their previous defeat, then they might pose certain threats. All-in-all, it's just lots of odds stacked against France while they were flying high a week ago. It's up to them to show that they can rise from the ground once again. And what better way than to aim for the highest bird - Spain?

I'm also intrigued to see both teams' lineups. France might spring a surprise depending on what occurred after Sweden's match and Spain's key players - Iniesta, Xavi, Silva and Xabi - seem really fatigued in the last 20-25 minutes of Croatia match. Will Del Bosque take a minim amount of risk like Germany or will he stick to his players even if it's their 4th match in 14 days-lapse and no turnovers has been done yet...?
 
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At least you were close :p

The inner arguments are real but it's not like there's a definite fission among the group. It's just one fiery implosion that occurred after the Sweden match.

Reportedly, Ben Arfa clashed with Blanc verbally while Nasri and Benzema also said certain things to each other that well...better stay confidential. I personally think that it might turn disastrous but can also be a very good thing.

Let's analyze: They were on an unbeaten 23-match record. Their once egoistic players and broken youth started gelling well. They were in favorite position to end up first in Group D. However, their defense were showing worrying signs with Mexes continuously out of form and their offensive plays were good but stereotypical. Despite that, they were seeing "la Vie en rose" since they never paid any of their weaknesses until...Sweden.

That defeat bought them back to Earth IMO. It was uninvited, surprising and yet a good thing that they got a warning that they are not so strong. So, start concentrating harder on their matches. Obviously, such a sudden shock left immediate consequence and hence the aftermath and the inside "fight".

But as I said, it might lead to positive effects. If they did walk out with 7 points on top of Group D and started thinking that they might pose considerable threats to Spain, they could have been crushed. And that could have lead to irreversible effects. The Sweden defeat is a alarm that told them to wake up and that their glorious form was just a dream. They are still are a team who were humiliated in 2008 and 2010; so start busting your ass off before you are crushed.

Now, we should also see the negative aspects like they are broken by this defeat against Sweden. And when Spain will lead, they might see their South African demons haunting them back. And then, it will turn to a massacre.

Mexes is suspended and perhaps, it's a blessing in disguise as he was the weakest defender in Les Bleus. The dynamic duo of Kosielny-Rami may earn their stripes for good if they succeed in maintaining Spain at bay. Another thing is that their patient offensive construction won't really work against Spain; given the meager amount of possession France will have. They'll be forced to innovate a lot during their offensive moves; things they've barely done in Group Stages.

Now, bad morale or not - Spain are favorite but if France understood their flaws in their previous defeat, then they might pose certain threats. All-in-all, it's just lots of odds stacked against France while they were flying high a week ago. It's up to them to show that they can rise from the ground once again. And what better way than to aim for the highest bird - Spain?

I'm also intrigued to see both teams' lineups. France might spring a surprise depending on what occurred after Sweden's match and Spain's key players - Iniesta, Xavi, Silva and Xabi - seem really fatigued in the last 20-25 minutes of Croatia match. Will Del Bosque take a minim amount of risk like Germany or will he stick to his players even if it's their 4th match in 14 days-lapse and no turnovers has been done yet...?
See? This is why I always leave the bigger match analysis to you :p Great job!:D I had an urge to reply with just "Agreed," as I don't really need to add anything more to your views, but it just felt too "soulless," so I ditched that idea xd
Oh, and I missed the part were you predicted a score, could you be so kind to repeat it? :rolleyes:
 
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France have to win tonight. Ben Arfa shouldnt start tonight. I was very impressed by Menez. For some strange reason the guy always seem to be in the right place at the right time and id very much like him to regain his place in the starting 11.

Benzema is due a goal in this tournament and im hoping he would show up. Ribery is very similar to Robben, both like to dribble and ball hog too much. They also seem to lose possession a lot as well
 

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France have to win tonight. Ben Arfa shouldnt start tonight. I was very impressed by Menez. For some strange reason the guy always seem to be in the right place at the right time and id very much like him to regain his place in the starting 11.

Benzema is due a goal in this tournament and im hoping he would show up. Ribery is very similar to Robben, both like to dribble and ball hog too much. They also seem to lose possession a lot as well
Benzema scores two goals today, but it unfortunately won't be enough as Spain will get the goal they need in extra time :ice:
 
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Benzema scores two goals today, but it unfortunately won't be enough as Spain will get the goal they need in extra time :ice:
Pshhh :flaw:. This is a repeat of the 06 world cup. Its the same stage, the quater finals that we disposed of them 3-1 and history shall repeat itself :ice:
 

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Benzema scores two goals today, but it unfortunately won't be enough as Spain will get the goal they need in extra time :ice:
but sadly in the final spain lose to italy:p

Pshhh :flaw:. This is a repeat of the 06 world cup. Its the same stage, the quater finals that we disposed of them 3-1 and history shall repeat itself :ice:
that's because they have zidane which is the player who can change the game atmosphere.
 

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Not denying that, but this team is more talented than the one that played spain in 06
i really doubt that since zidane is the win win solution for France since 1998,
the team that played in 2006 is one of the best that France ever have,

they did start poorly in the group stage but own the favorite Spain, beat Brazil which is the defending champion back then in the quarter final beat Portugal in a tight match, but sadly Italy in 2006 is just too much for them,

my point is without Zidane i don't see France regain their former glory, but there is still hope well hope is always there
 

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At least you were close :p

The inner arguments are real but it's not like there's a definite fission among the group. It's just one fiery implosion that occurred after the Sweden match.

Reportedly, Ben Arfa clashed with Blanc verbally while Nasri and Benzema also said certain things to each other that well...better stay confidential. I personally think that it might turn disastrous but can also be a very good thing.

Let's analyze: They were on an unbeaten 23-match record. Their once egoistic players and broken youth started gelling well. They were in favorite position to end up first in Group D. However, their defense were showing worrying signs with Mexes continuously out of form and their offensive plays were good but stereotypical. Despite that, they were seeing "la Vie en rose" since they never paid any of their weaknesses until...Sweden.

That defeat bought them back to Earth IMO. It was uninvited, surprising and yet a good thing that they got a warning that they are not so strong. So, start concentrating harder on their matches. Obviously, such a sudden shock left immediate consequence and hence the aftermath and the inside "fight".

But as I said, it might lead to positive effects. If they did walk out with 7 points on top of Group D and started thinking that they might pose considerable threats to Spain, they could have been crushed. And that could have lead to irreversible effects. The Sweden defeat is a alarm that told them to wake up and that their glorious form was just a dream. They are still are a team who were humiliated in 2008 and 2010; so start busting your ass off before you are crushed.

Now, we should also see the negative aspects like they are broken by this defeat against Sweden. And when Spain will lead, they might see their South African demons haunting them back. And then, it will turn to a massacre.

Mexes is suspended and perhaps, it's a blessing in disguise as he was the weakest defender in Les Bleus. The dynamic duo of Kosielny-Rami may earn their stripes for good if they succeed in maintaining Spain at bay. Another thing is that their patient offensive construction won't really work against Spain; given the meager amount of possession France will have. They'll be forced to innovate a lot during their offensive moves; things they've barely done in Group Stages.

Now, bad morale or not - Spain are favorite but if France understood their flaws in their previous defeat, then they might pose certain threats. All-in-all, it's just lots of odds stacked against France while they were flying high a week ago. It's up to them to show that they can rise from the ground once again. And what better way than to aim for the highest bird - Spain?

I'm also intrigued to see both teams' lineups. France might spring a surprise depending on what occurred after Sweden's match and Spain's key players - Iniesta, Xavi, Silva and Xabi - seem really fatigued in the last 20-25 minutes of Croatia match. Will Del Bosque take a minim amount of risk like Germany or will he stick to his players even if it's their 4th match in 14 days-lapse and no turnovers has been done yet...?
The result will define if their defeat/fight was a negative/positive effect. If they win they will come out saying how it made them stronger, but a loss will be another blame game. French media will be all over this, and Spain may face the same thing, Barca/Madrid topic will be brought back.
 

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Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Official Thread - Discussion, Analysis, Predictions & All News!

i really doubt that since zidane is the win win solution for France since 1998,
the team that played in 2006 is one of the best that France ever have,

they did start poorly in the group stage but own the favorite Spain, beat Brazil which is the defending champion back then in the quarter final beat Portugal in a tight match, but sadly Italy in 2006 is just too much for them,

my point is without Zidane i don't see France regain their former glory, but there is still hope well hope is always there
This team man for man are better than the previous teams but as you noted its zidane that made all the difference. Anyway France ftw
 
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