I don't watch the news. I've just been gathering what info I could on the internet at this point. Since you're so sure of yourself and cocky, where do you get your information?
I don't watch TV for few years, and actuall stopped believing presented things since last summer since our media have gone another treshold of shit, and getting worse.
I look at the internet, history, youtube videos taken by public, make elaboration/discussion with actual people, and books.
Danzo’s involvement in Uchiha massacre is a given. His root division had its own ethos in regards to how to eliminate emotions to promote absolute obedience for Root’ cause. This is supported by Manga scans during Sai and Kabuto chapters as to how he gathered orphans, brain-washed them and then had them vie them against each other in a battle to the death a la Hidden Mist Village:
Danzo disposing off Ninjas, who worked for Leaf’s benefits. These were innocent people. One of them even ran an orphanage – he basically pitted people against each other through brain washing:
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Kabuto’s story would coincide with Sai’s story from way back as to how children’s were used as tools:
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Using Children who have had lost their parents in war, and then, eliminating them once they served their purpose. Thus he followed Mist’s tradition as well:
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This shows Danzo’s arduous endeavours to create soldiers for Roots’ cause without ousting him out. But it doesn’t end here. Danzo allied with Orochimaru more than once, as proven by the facts that his arm and body were modified and the fact that he leaked Anbu’s details before Orochimaru in hopes of eliminating Sasuke as he would probably end up laying bare the facts of his treasonous acts – as he desired to take control over the nine-tails:
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- Sai handing over Anbu Members list from Danzo to Orochimaru.
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- Orochimaru had been working with Danzo.
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- Planned on controlling the nine-tails.
Even at the Kage summit, when he learned that Sasuke had infiltrated the complex, Fuu immediately suggested for the Sharingan to be retrieved.
This isn’t all that surprising, as not only did Hizuren allied with Orochimaru and Obito, he also carried out espionage hits of other Village’s Shinobi’s who merely held a hard-stance against Konoha’s politics:
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- Fuu Proposes to get the Sharingan.
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- Yamato checking the files of Ninjas killed by Sai on Roots Hit-List.
All of this is quite strange, given that he was under Hizuren’s rule and not his companion in rule. This can be backed by how Tsunade limited Danzo’s and Elders involvement in her decisions severelly, cementing the argument that the Hokahe has power over the sub-ruling party, which in this case would be elders and Danzo:
Tsunade utilized her position, limiting the hold of the elders:
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Now, combining all of this, it’s safe to assume that Danzo was given a political immunity by Hizuren to carry out the terrorist activates against Villages’ Ninjas, and conduct such heinous method of recruitment, which, even Sasori knew about – it would be laughably hard to ignore that Hizuren wouldn’t.
After the masscare of Uchiha Clan, even the innocent men, women, and Children, Danzo should have been brought to justice, yet he wasn’t even tried for crimes against the elderly and children. This doesn’t absolve him of the crime against the clan, it drops its entire weight on him.
It was his immunity and lee-way to Hizuren to carry out such outrageous Root activities that prompted Danzo to carry out his treacherous and treasonous activates as well. Let’s not forget the lobby. Hizuren, the elders, Danzo, were all a part of the Squad with Tobirama who was – as is a known fact at this point – a paranoid man that did all that he could to prevent Uchihas’ entry into the political establishment. He created a system that eliminated the voting scenario and decided on a dual rule that either the Hokage can directly appoint the next Hokage or the council will decide.
Now the interesting fact is, the council did not have a single Uchiha Clan member, which meant that no Uchiha could ever appoint one of their own as the leader of the Village. His disgusting bias and paranoia is lucid from the facts that Kagami was one of the members of his squad and yet, Hizuren was appointed, who obviously followed his ideals down to the teeth, as he never stopped the surveillance on Uchihas and Danzo only mounted the tensions.
An important question arises now: Why didn’t Hizuren and Minato stop the surveillance? Why didn’t the former opt for granting Uchihas political seats within the Jounin Council which were largely filled by Yamanaka, Nara, and Chouji’s father’s clan – Sorry, the name has slipped my mind? The fact that Fuu, a Yamanaka was actively involved in Root, showed that Root division had many members from such clans that already resided several seats within the Jounin council.
To elude all this and then declare that why the Uchiha Clan chose the coup is ludicrous and ridiculous as Madara’s warning about Senju sympathizers cornering them and then eliminating their Clan seemed all too real for the severely cornered Clan with no political immunity – a fact that is itself expounded when they were not offered a diplomatic leverage within the Village’s political system and all the lobby at top chose to eliminate the Clan in its stead.
At this point in time, fearing their own survival and watching Tobirama’s best laid plans come to fruition, The Uchiha Clan had no choice but to opt for Coup – a counter used by many Nations in real life when their Rights are usurped by the Ruling Lobby. It’s a form of retaliation and Revolution – Just, especially within a Militia Set-up that rose to the top through Treason against its own people – a founding clan oust from its rightful place over Ethical Differences – and terrorist acts against others.
But it isn’t even that simply. Danzo somehow met Obito, who also used Itachi to meet his goals. It’s not that hard to imagine that it was Obito who goaded Danzo into using additional surveillance following the Nine tails attack to push the suspicions on Uchiha, who oddly enough, were all accounted for when the original assailant was defeated by Minato and no one even knew he was an Uchiha.
To put the blame on Uchiha, gave the Elders and Danzo the fail safe plan to get Uchiha out of the way, when shamefully enough, ALL Hizuren had to do was let them be a part of the political set-up.
I don't watch TV for few years, and actuall stopped believing presented things since last summer since our media have gone another treshold of shit, and getting worse.
I look at the internet, history, youtube videos taken by public, make elaboration/discussion with actual people, and books.
You are looking at information from wikipedia? Supported by Pakistan? My country is in economical turmoil. It's literally in dept. Economic inflation has sky rocketed, so much so that prices of even the most basic things have blown through the roof. Pakistan doesn't even have enough money for an alternative Energy Source and thus, Load-Shedding takes place here even in winters. In summers - I live in suburbs - even in suburbs, I have faced Load-shedding 16 hours straight and any other areas were far worse. You think such a country would have enough to maintain a terrorist militia? Are you joking?
The Media here has said no such thing about USA and I don't watch Media to make my mind-set about anything. I have acquaintances and people who are refugees here from those regions. They have lost their families, everything to USA's despicable War on Terror to further its political lobby.
A lot of the blame for what happened with the Uchiha does lie with Hiruzen. He knew what type of person Danzo was yet he didn't look closely enough at what he was doing because he felt the village needed them both. He knew what Danzo was capable of. When he called Danzo out on trying to assassinate him, he should have killed him, or at the very least have him locked up. Any other hokage would have. He refused to see that Danzo wanted to be hokage more than he cared about the village. Stealing other people's power so that he could become hokage was all that mattered to Danzo.
Hiruzen did not bother to keep a closer eye on Danzo as he should have after the assassination attempt. He also had suspicions of what Orochimaru was doing and did nothing about that either until he could not look the other way anymore. He cared about Oro and did not want to face the fact that he could experiment on and kill fellow villagers.
When Itachi came before the council to say what the Uchiha were up to, Hiruzen should have forbid any of them to take action, including Danzo, until they could come up with a plan. Hiruzen might have been a strong ninja and a great sensei but he was a bad hokage.
Danzo’s involvement in Uchiha massacre is a given. His root division had its own ethos in regards to how to eliminate emotions to promote absolute obedience for Root’ cause. This is supported by Manga scans during Sai and Kabuto chapters as to how he gathered orphans, brain-washed them and then had them vie them against each other in a battle to the death a la Hidden Mist Village:
Danzo disposing off Ninjas, who worked for Leaf’s benefits. These were innocent people. One of them even ran an orphanage – he basically pitted people against each other through brain washing:
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Kabuto’s story would coincide with Sai’s story from way back as to how children’s were used as tools:
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Using Children who have had lost their parents in war, and then, eliminating them once they served their purpose. Thus he followed Mist’s tradition as well:
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This shows Danzo’s arduous endeavours to create soldiers for Roots’ cause without ousting him out. But it doesn’t end here. Danzo allied with Orochimaru more than once, as proven by the facts that his arm and body were modified and the fact that he leaked Anbu’s details before Orochimaru in hopes of eliminating Sasuke as he would probably end up laying bare the facts of his treasonous acts – as he desired to take control over the nine-tails:
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- Sai handing over Anbu Members list from Danzo to Orochimaru.
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- Orochimaru had been working with Danzo.
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- Planned on controlling the nine-tails.
Even at the Kage summit, when he learned that Sasuke had infiltrated the complex, Fuu immediately suggested for the Sharingan to be retrieved.
This isn’t all that surprising, as not only did Hizuren allied with Orochimaru and Obito, he also carried out espionage hits of other Village’s Shinobi’s who merely held a hard-stance against Konoha’s politics:
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- Fuu Proposes to get the Sharingan.
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- Yamato checking the files of Ninjas killed by Sai on Roots Hit-List.
All of this is quite strange, given that he was under Hizuren’s rule and not his companion in rule. This can be backed by how Tsunade limited Danzo’s and Elders involvement in her decisions severelly, cementing the argument that the Hokahe has power over the sub-ruling party, which in this case would be elders and Danzo:
Tsunade utilized her position, limiting the hold of the elders:
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Now, combining all of this, it’s safe to assume that Danzo was given a political immunity by Hizuren to carry out the terrorist activates against Villages’ Ninjas, and conduct such heinous method of recruitment, which, even Sasori knew about – it would be laughably hard to ignore that Hizuren wouldn’t.
After the masscare of Uchiha Clan, even the innocent men, women, and Children, Danzo should have been brought to justice, yet he wasn’t even tried for crimes against the elderly and children. This doesn’t absolve him of the crime against the clan, it drops its entire weight on him.
It was his immunity and lee-way to Hizuren to carry out such outrageous Root activities that prompted Danzo to carry out his treacherous and treasonous activates as well. Let’s not forget the lobby. Hizuren, the elders, Danzo, were all a part of the Squad with Tobirama who was – as is a known fact at this point – a paranoid man that did all that he could to prevent Uchihas’ entry into the political establishment. He created a system that eliminated the voting scenario and decided on a dual rule that either the Hokage can directly appoint the next Hokage or the council will decide.
Now the interesting fact is, the council did not have a single Uchiha Clan member, which meant that no Uchiha could ever appoint one of their own as the leader of the Village. His disgusting bias and paranoia is lucid from the facts that Kagami was one of the members of his squad and yet, Hizuren was appointed, who obviously followed his ideals down to the teeth, as he never stopped the surveillance on Uchihas and Danzo only mounted the tensions.
An important question arises now: Why didn’t Hizuren and Minato stop the surveillance? Why didn’t the former opt for granting Uchihas political seats within the Jounin Council which were largely filled by Yamanaka, Nara, and Chouji’s father’s clan – Sorry, the name has slipped my mind? The fact that Fuu, a Yamanaka was actively involved in Root, showed that Root division had many members from such clans that already resided several seats within the Jounin council.
To elude all this and then declare that why the Uchiha Clan chose the coup is ludicrous and ridiculous as Madara’s warning about Senju sympathizers cornering them and then eliminating their Clan seemed all too real for the severely cornered Clan with no political immunity – a fact that is itself expounded when they were not offered a diplomatic leverage within the Village’s political system and all the lobby at top chose to eliminate the Clan in its stead.
At this point in time, fearing their own survival and watching Tobirama’s best laid plans come to fruition, The Uchiha Clan had no choice but to opt for Coup – a counter used by many Nations in real life when their Rights are usurped by the Ruling Lobby. It’s a form of retaliation and Revolution – Just, especially within a Militia Set-up that rose to the top through Treason against its own people – a founding clan oust from its rightful place over Ethical Differences – and terrorist acts against others.
But it isn’t even that simply. Danzo somehow met Obito, who also used Itachi to meet his goals. It’s not that hard to imagine that it was Obito who goaded Danzo into using additional surveillance following the Nine tails attack to push the suspicions on Uchiha, who oddly enough, were all accounted for when the original assailant was defeated by Minato and no one even knew he was an Uchiha.
To put the blame on Uchiha, gave the Elders and Danzo the fail safe plan to get Uchiha out of the way, when shamefully enough, ALL Hizuren had to do was let them be a part of the political set-up.
I basically agree with every single thing in that post. Except the thing on Tobirama. He really wasn't paranoid. He simply more "cautious". Because you have to remember no uchiha had a problem with the village when he was the Hokage. Because the thing is he levitated between the village and the clans. Meaning he brought a balance. I mean lets be honest, them feels he had for Sasuke were pretty strong man. Sasuke an Uchiha who was just about to go attack Konoha. Hell he was even stopping Madara form killing an Uchiha, saying it was the wrong thing to do.
Notice that Hiruzen himself admit that he failed to continue Tobirama's work. Which was to levitate between the clans and the village. However, Hiruzen failed hard in that. He didn't give a sh*t about the clan.
However, everything would have been if they had listened to Hashirama from the start. Instead of trying to create policies. And then if Madara hadn't started b*tching and moaning, instead worked to prove his reputation correct he would have without a doubt became the second Hokage why? Because of Hashirama.
In fact Hashirama was right in the first place. Madara should have been the first Hokage. Though Hashirama probably would have been the one making the decisions. However, that role as Hokage for Madara would have meant something huge.
Also have you noticed that people try to claim that Itachi picked to kill the Uchiha , that he picked the village over the uchiha? lol. I mean the guy was basically forced into picking the decision. lol.
