Uchiha clan not against the village..

[Lostdreams]

i dont see why they were so scared of a few revolutionaries. surely one clan vs hundreds of thousands of ninja is a stomp. not a civil war.

same reason why big countries worry about terrorist that are probably just a couple thousand of people....Because they can cause mass havoc even in defeat

 

[KingHashirama]

They definitely were against the village but only after being imprisoned and used.
-They make them leader of police force only to spy on them.
-Put them at the edge of the village to secluded them
-2nd hokage never liked them
-Danzo never liked them
-put harashima on the mountain but not madara who co-founded the village


.......i could keep going leaf village caused to rebellion on themselves.

- Tobirama did like them.. simply was more cautious
- Hashirama was loved even by the Uchiha. It was the Uchiha who picked Hashirama over Madara.. because Hashirama cared about everyone..

@Bold, can you show me where they state they were against the village?

 

[LeSauce]

Honestly, at first I thought it was the Uchiha who were in the wrong because that's what I feel Kishi wanted to portray, but the more you actually think about it the more they seem to be doing the right thing.

Still, a complete take over of the village is what they wanted to do. At least that's what I've got from it. In that sense they were wrong because of the masses that would be killed. IMO it's kind of hard to actually blame one particular side, I feel that both had some fault.

 

[HiddenSound]

Danzō, Hiruzen, Elders, Itachi, Shisui - right
You - wrong

 

[KingHashirama]

Danzō, Hiruzen, Elders, Itachi, Shisui - right
You - wrong

Funny that there are 4 other users disagreeing, but you pick only me. Hmmm.

Also, were you in the right mind, when you put Itachi and shisui in the same category as Danzo? rofl.

 

[HiddenSound]

Funny that there are 4 other users disagreeing, but you pick only me. Hmmm.

Also, were you in the right mind, when you put Itachi and shisui in the same category as Danzo? rofl.

Didn't read the replies.
They all realized what would have happened if the Uchiha were to attack.

 

[KingHashirama]

Didn't read the replies.
They all realized what would have happened if the Uchiha were to attack.

nope. 2 Kids. 1 Traitor, who wanted the uchiha out of picture long before.. 1 Weak Leader..


But hey, having justice in today's world is a crime.

 

[Lostdreams]

- Tobirama did like them.. simply was more cautious
- Hashirama was loved even by the Uchiha. It was the Uchiha who picked Hashirama over Madara.. because Hashirama cared about everyone..

@Bold, can you show me where they state they were against the village?

-yes he was loved and allowed his racist brother to take over.
-his brother likes the uchiha but, his political actions muddles that point. Hes the one who built the village pretty much. Tobimaru was cold towards them and if i remember correctly he regretted that when sasuke and orochimaru edo'd
him.

- i cant show it explicitly, its more through context of reading the manga. That and the fact that naruto has maybe 30 chapters when they explicitly talk about the uchiha massacre/ village issues.

 

[ShiroShonen]

Ignorant 3?
Heck ya good point

 

[KingHashirama]

-yes he was loved and allowed his racist brother to take over.
-his brother likes the uchiha but, his political actions muddles that point. Hes the one who built the village pretty much. Tobimaru was cold towards them and if i remember correctly he regretted that when sasuke and orochimaru edo'd
him.

- i cant show it explicitly, its more through context of reading the manga. That and the fact that naruto has maybe 30 chapters when they explicitly talk about the uchiha massacre/ village issues.

- Bro wasn't racist

- Sorry, his political actions did not do anything to the Uchiha of his time. Nor did the Uchiha rebel against him during his time. So no Tobirama is not at fault here.

- Yea through the context, Uchiha were doing a revolution.. not attacking the village..

 

[HiddenSound]

nope. 2 Kids. 1 Traitor, who wanted the uchiha out of picture long before.. 1 Weak Leader..


But hey, having justice in today's world is a crime.

Itachi and Shisui are "kids"? Kishi disagrees.
Hiruzen a weak leader? You're right. The longest reigning and most beloved Hokage was weak.
Danzō a traitor? Got that part mixed up with that idiot Fusaku or whatever his name was.
Either way, I think I'll go with the judgement of the 2 wisest Uchiha, and the most experienced Hokage and his advisors. Sorry.

 

[KingHashirama]

Itachi and Shisui are "kids"? Kishi disagrees.
Hiruzen a weak leader? You're right. The longest reigning and most beloved Hokage was weak.
Danzō a traitor? Got that part mixed up with that idiot Fusaku or whatever his name was.
Either way, I think I'll go with the judgement of the 2 wisest Uchiha, and the most experienced Hokage and his advisors. Sorry.

- Ages 14 and less = Kishi agrees.
- "most beloved Hokage", just like how Hashirama was "adored by all"? Longest reign.. yea lets just forget the strong ass ninja that came during his time, that helped him sustain that reign.. Doesn't solve the fact he was a weak leader..
- Yup allying with 3 enemies of the village surely = Loyal shinobi of the village
- Sure you can go with the judgement of 2 kids with hardly any experience, and 3 corrupted Geezers, and 1 weak leader.. all the power to you.

 

[HiddenSound]

- Ages 14 and less = Kishi agrees.
- "most beloved Hokage", just like how Hashirama was "adored by all"? Longest reign.. yea lets just forget the strong ass ninja that came during his time, that helped him sustain that reign.. Doesn't solve the fact he was a weak leader..
- Yup allying with 3 enemies of the village surely = Loyal shinobi of the village
- Sure you can go with the judgement of 2 kids with hardly any experience, and 3 corrupted Geezers, and 1 weak leader.. all the power to you.

Nice sig, btw.

 

[Lostdreams]

- Bro wasn't racist

- Sorry, his political actions did not do anything to the Uchiha of his time. Nor did the Uchiha rebel against him during his time. So no Tobirama is not at fault here.

- Yea through the context, Uchiha were doing a revolution.. not attacking the village..

thats Semantics since most revolutions in history are not peaceful.
Nagato village had revolutions also and see how that turned out.


What tobimaru did early in the history of the leaf set the stage for the anger that some of the uchiha had.
Itachi thought the revolution was such a bad idea he killed his own clan..

itachi the character that has been shown to be the most selfless character in this manga

 

[KingHashirama]

thats Semantics since most revolutions in history are not peaceful.
Nagato village had revolutions also and see how that turned out.


What tobimaru did early in the history of the leaf set the stage for the anger that some of the uchiha had.
Itachi thought the revolution was such a bad idea he killed his own clan..

itachi the character that has been shown to be the most selfless character in this manga

- How does one be peaceful without having a revolution against corruption?
- Nagato's village didn't have revolution as far as i know.

- No it did not. His plans weren't followed = not his fault.. You can only blame Tobirama if Hiruzen had followed what he started, and then that led to the Uchiha revolution.


To Itachi his bro > everyone..... pretty selfish to me. No one in the manga is selfless, though Itachi is a loyal shinobi of the leaf.

And no Itachi had the choice to be killed with his entire clan... or save 1 Uchiha and help kill the clan. Logically i would try to save 1 uchiha also..

 

[-Spoiler-]

The Uchiha's weren't innocent in the incident, there were other ways to deal with the situation but they choose the way that would only lead to death on either side

 

[KingHashirama]

The Uchiha's weren't innocent in the incident, there were other ways to deal with the situation but they choose the way that would only lead to death on either side

innocent : not guilty of a crime or offense.


^^^^ Uchiha had commit no crime or offense.

They were the police, the leaders were breaking the laws, they were going to enforce them on the leaders also.....

 

[-Spoiler-]

innocent : not guilty of a crime or offense.


^^^^ Uchiha had commit no crime or offense.

They were the police, the leaders were breaking the laws, they were going to enforce them on the leaders also.....

Really so plotting against you're leaders isnt a crime now? Dont kid yourself the ones that were breaking the law was the uchihas even if hiruzen an the elders had choose to round them up treason is punishable by death.

 

[KingHashirama]

Really so plotting against you're leaders isnt a crime now? Dont kid yourself the ones that were breaking the law was the uchihas even if hiruzen an the elders had choose to round them up treason is punishable by death.

Nope its not...It is only a crime if the leaders aren't corrupted and are following the law themselves. When the government itself is allying with enemies of the village, and is plotting to take down the hokage himself (Something Uchiha weren't trying to do)... then no it is not a crime, but instead it is your right, in a democratic society, something that is the basis of Konoha.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

 

[-Spoiler-]

Nope its not...It is only a crime if the leaders aren't corrupted and are following the law themselves. When the government itself is allying with enemies of the village, and is plotting to take down the hokage himself (Something Uchiha weren't trying to do)... then no it is not a crime, but instead it is your right, in a democratic society, something that is the basis of Konoha.

Treason:
[FONT=arial, sans-serif](the crime of betraying one's country, especially by [/FONT]attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government[FONT=arial, sans-serif].)[/FONT]Keep trying to convince yourself
[FONT=arial, sans-serif].
Danzo wasn't the leader of the village the uchihas didn't approach the leader of the village an try to work it out with a diplomatic solution what they were planning to do is no better than danzo scheming to become to hokage all they wanted was power.[/FONT]