Uchiha clan not against the village..

[shelke]

^ Yet you are using a definition that takes into account a sovereign government - a government, in case of Konoha, that has committed so many treasonous acts? Uchihas had every right to take back a village that was theirs to begin with. It's like building a home and asking people to join in and then getting kicked out of your own settlements. It's a classic definition of encroachment.

Danzo was ruling the entire Root Branch of the military set-up. To compare him to Madara who was ousted by his own Clan, or Obito who never retured doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[-Spoiler-]

^ Yet you are using a definition that takes into account a sovereign government - a government, in case of Konoha, that has committed so many treasonous acts? Uchihas had every right to take back a village that was theirs to begin with. It's like building a home and asking people to join in and then getting kicked out of your own settlements. It's a classic definition of encroachment.

Danzo was ruling the entire Root Branch of the military set-up. To compare him to Madara who was ousted by his own Clan, or Obito who never retured doesn't make much sense to me.

Lol Really theirs to begin with ? So by that logic Native americans have every right to kick everyone out of white house and run the country since its was theirs to begin with :|. The Uchihas didn't found the village alone so it not their territory.

Thing don't work like been a founding member of a setup/settlement/village doesn't mean your clan is granted immunity from the law, because the village is made up of thousand of people.

 

[shelke]

^ Considering the fact that Native American Settlements were burned down - many by the number - their inhabitants literally slaughtered, women raped, and now US of A is doing the same thing in my country, then if anyone from here decides to retaliate, then yes, they have every right to pay back the favour skin for skin. That is just the way that it is. But, all these diplomatic scenarios in real world have little to do with Konoha, as it's a Militia central. Try to understand the difference. Uchiha were the founders, their rights were usurped, it's a classic ground for revolution and many revolutions have taken place in real world over such issue. People have 'Every Right' to fight back.

The Senjus are gone, to whom the village belonged to then? Obviously the Uchihas. Try to keep up with the manga. All other clans were assimilated into the village, it's the Senju and the Uchiha that built the village, no one else. The Senju's on the other hand committed treason as far as the law goes, by taking away the rights of a fellow founding clan and driving them into a corner. That's a given.

SO everyone I highlighted is immune to law, save Uchihas? Also, Law in a Militia government that got to where it is by conducting terrorist activities for other Villages through Danzo's Root Division? LMFAO Immunity from law ... the only Clan who only tried to overthrow the government. My goodness, so damn fowl, but let's absolve Konoha Government for its vile and sordid crimes against innocent people. Give me a break.

 

[KingHashirama]

So Danzo represents the entirety of Konoha leadership right? ..... Not to mention by comparing Danzo with the Uchiha Clan in the same light you just made it seem that both were corrupt power hungry factions, which I think you are trying to avoid.

-Sigh-. Does the "entirety" of Konoha Leadership not support and forgive the crimes of Danzo commited against the people of Konoha and the village?

I'm comparing the Uchiha clan and the whole entire leadership of Konoha, meaning the 4 geezers.

Not to mention dont argue like stubborn donkey and ****ing notice what I said: We dont know full details yet.

Clearly you should listen to your own advice.

So it had nothing to do with protecting the village from greater degree of bloodshed? You really mean to say that?

Yes i really mean to say that.. It had to do with keeping power.. already stated by Danzo.. the occurrence of a war had nothing to do with why they got killed..

How funny that Danzo covers his tracks well .... How funny you think because of Danzo good people like Hiruzen and his supporters and the entire village needs to be in mortal danger .....

Its funny how you think going against 4 corrupt officials = going against the entire village. =].

Hiruzen the guy who himself had commit treason against Konoha, when he was the Hokage? that hiruzen?

Dah, what was the Uchiha planning a coup for? For free milk and honey? It was a power struggle ..... the Uchiha WERE going to seize political power not nuke the village, so why would the village be mentioned in the first place ..... Also ****ing learn that one man's traitor is another man's freedom fighter and no one is gonna call someone trying to kill/replace himself/herself a hero.

Hm.. i'm just saying you guys keep putting the "village" into these arguments.. but fail to understand Uchiha were also part of the village.

Hmm, sorry but that only applies to somethings.That crap doesn't apply to all.

This statement just confirms u have damn no understanding of anything your saying .... the Coup, which basically means a armed rebellion never happened as the Uchiha were massacred in a preemptive strike.

Reread the posts again with a logical reasoning and try saying i don't know what a coup means..

JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS NOT JUSTIFIED DOESNT MEAN IT IS NOT A EVIL NECESSITY. TO HAVE A BETTER GOVERNMENT THE COUNTRY MUST BE SOVEREIGN AND LEFT MORE OR LESS INTACT, NOT WIPED AWAY BY VENGEFUL MALICIOUS NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD SURELY EXPLOIT ANY WEAKNESS. NOT TO MENTION FOR A PROPER COUP/REVOLUTION THEY MUST BE GUIDED BY PROPER IDEALS NOT MERE RESENTMENT AND DESIRES OF VENGEANCE WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH A BARELY FUNCTIONING AUTHORITY IF IT SUCCEEDS.

Only problem is the Uchiha rebellion is justified. People like you are the reason why we still have dictatorship in this world. And why people fail to voice out against tyranny and corruption. "Because we'd be causing unrest" right? Get the hell real and come to the real world. People were being killed and used for experiments under the leadership of your precious Konoha government.

So basically American revolution = crap, and wrong. Right?

Apparently you have no idea ....

coup
kuː/
noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coup d'états; plural noun: coups d'état

1.
a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Another definition :

: a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence


"usually" doesn't = always.

Ohhh really? Is it just like how you think that the Uchiha are innocent of not risking the very existence of the village with narrow minded vision when much more peaceful methods existed? ..... Not to mention since you seem to think that since one man's misdeeds (ahem Danzo) paints the entire chain of command guilty doesn't fact that the Oibito and Madara are Uchiha mean that the entire Uchiha clan were power hungry, heartless maniacs?

Yes, everyone should live in slavery and not voice out against corruption and tyranny. Because it will cause great unrest in the country.

WHAT PEACEFUL METHODS?! HOLY SH*T ARE YOU GOD DAMN BLIND OR SOMETHING? THEY ELECTED THE HOKAGE TO PROTECT THEM (Hell correction, they didn't have the power to elect the Hokage).. HOKAGE FAILS TO DO HIS JOB...... THE SAME FREAKING HOKAGE WHO IS GIVING EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED TREASON AGAINST THE VILLAGE OVER AND FREAKING OVER TO RUN AROUND FREE KILLING KONOHA CITIZENS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ABOLISH THAT GOVERNMENT.

Obito and Madara = Exiles of the Uchiha clan..


If America decides to go against a racist spree in america, and starts forgiving people for using Americans as experiments for hideous reasons, and forgive american leaders who hand over american info to other countries. I WILL FREAKING REVOLT! DO YOU KNOW WHY?! BECAUSE IT IS MY RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN TO ABOLISH OR ALTER THE GOVERNMENT THAT DOES NOT PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE.

NO THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME A TRAITOR OR HAVING TRIALED FOR TREASON. BECAUSE I AM JUSTIFIABLY PRACTICING MY RIGHT. STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE COUNTRY I LIVE IN.


What good is to live in a village which you founded, but have no voice in? And then get segregated and blamed.. while the leaders are giving treason after treason..

 

[KingHashirama]

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[Sennin of Logic]

^ Considering the fact that Native American Settlements were burned down - many by the number - their inhabitants literally slaughtered, women raped, and now US of A is doing the same thing in my country, then if anyone from here decides to retaliate, then yes, they have every right to pay back the favour skin for skin. That is just the way that it is. But, all these diplomatic scenarios in real world have little to do with Konoha, as it's a Militia central. Try to understand the difference. Uchiha were the founders, their rights were usurped, it's a classic ground for revolution and many revolutions have taken place in real world over such issue. People have 'Every Right' to fight back.

The Senjus are gone, to whom the village belonged to then? Obviously the Uchihas. Try to keep up with the manga. All other clans were assimilated into the village, it's the Senju and the Uchiha that built the village, no one else. The Senju's on the other hand committed treason as far as the law goes, by taking away the rights of a fellow founding clan and driving them into a corner. That's a given.

SO everyone I highlighted is immune to law, save Uchihas? Also, Law in a Militia government that got to where it is by conducting terrorist activities for other Villages through Danzo's Root Division? LMFAO Immunity from law ... the only Clan who only tried to overthrow the government. My goodness, so damn fowl, but let's absolve Konoha Government for its vile and sordid crimes against innocent people. Give me a break.

Uh, no, there's no right to slaughter because there was slaughter. In both situations innocents die. Now, there's the right to kill the ones who created the slaughter, but not innocents. That's just malice and quite frankly, evil.


I am from America and I have no clue what country you're talking about. I highly doubt USA is just randomly going around spreading misery in order to gain more power. In fact, USA historically just sets up democratic governments and leaves. I could see this happening in the deep past during the times of the Native Americans but not at this day and age. Please clarify.

 

[Anorien16]

-Sigh-. Does the "entirety" of Konoha Leadership not support and forgive the crimes of Danzo commited against the people of Konoha and the village?

I dont think anyone ever knew what Danzo was upto ...... or do u mean to say Hiru actually knowingly dined with a person trying to assassinate him?

I'm comparing the Uchiha clan and the whole entire leadership of Konoha, meaning the 4 geezers.

One of those geezer served the people of konoha till his last breath was wrung from him and always with compassion.
Two of them while being jackasses actually served the village with their lives.
One is a lunatic but insanely smart one.

Clearly you should listen to your own advice.

Ladies first.

Yes i really mean to say that.. It had to do with keeping power.. already stated by Danzo.. the occurrence of a war had nothing to do with why they got killed..

So Danzo's ambition and paranoia matters more than real dangers of a civil war? Danzo was the spoke person of the Land of Fire?

Its funny how you think going against 4 corrupt officials = going against the entire village. =].

Danzo was definately corrupt ..... But please show How other three were corrupt in truest sense of the word? Hiruzen actually soght peaceful methods despite threat of violence .... Not to mention you seem to have difficulty understanding that the Third Hokage was actually WELL LOVED by the people for he was ever kind to them, other clans and their own clans would not have taken things lightly and resultant War might have all but runed an entire country.

Hiruzen the guy who himself had commit treason against Konoha, when he was the Hokage? that hiruzen?

So that was Treason? Then every single Hokage commited treason .... Hashirama let Madara live and caused all the trouble, Tobirama was actually discriminative for good reason perhaps but he still planted the seeds of future evil, Minato acted emotionally and caused damage that might have been avoided .....

Hm.. i'm just saying you guys keep putting the "village" into these arguments.. but fail to understand Uchiha were also part of the village.

Hi ... I am just saying that you being a Hashirama fanboy is forgetting what Hashirama said to Madara at the end of VOTE battle.

Hmm, sorry but that only applies to somethings.That crap doesn't apply to all.

It applies here .....

Reread the posts again with a logical reasoning and try saying i don't know what a coup means..

The coup was still in premature state when the massacre happened ....

Only problem is the Uchiha rebellion is justified.

End might have been justified but not the means .... Danzo in away wronged them greatly but it was nothing so severe that it could not have handled through open protest which would have garnered sympathy from the other villagers.

People like you are the reason why we still have dictatorship in this world.

And its bcos of people like you Democracy is bringing such joy, happiness and corruption free days in our world.

And why people fail to voice out against tyranny and corruption. "Because we'd be causing unrest" right?

As in anything there is time,place and ways for everything ..... An armed civil unrest is not quite bearable when there are at least two powerful countries are trying to eradicate you from the map.

Get the hell real and come to the real world.

As I said Ladies first.

People were being killed and used for experiments under the leadership of your precious Konoha government.

So you mean to say that those were sanctioned by Hiruzen? Not deeds of a rouge faction?

So basically American revolution = crap, and wrong. Right?

Why dont you ask the Native Indians about that?

Not to mention the Uchiha had no Ideals of freedom, equality and such ..... they wanted revenge and more power and was willing to risk the village's destruction for it (of which the Uchiha were a part as u so graciously reminded)

Another definition :

: a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence

OMG OMG OMG OMG ...... I am TOTALLY SURE now that the Uchiha Coup where both sides knew what was up would have ended in rainbows and honey. There would have been no fight between Ninja at all.

"usually" doesn't = always.

=most of the time.

Yes, everyone should live in slavery and not voice out against corruption and tyranny. Because it will cause great unrest in the country.

Something tells me you have never seen an actual rebellion before ..... You will make a fine armchair general. Did u know its a very common thing to use the 'Divide and Rule' Policy?

WHAT PEACEFUL METHODS?! HOLY SH*T ARE YOU GOD DAMN BLIND OR SOMETHING? THEY ELECTED THE HOKAGE TO PROTECT THEM (Hell correction, they didn't have the power to elect the Hokage)..... HOKAGE FAILS TO DO HIS JOB...... THE SAME FREAKING HOKAGE WHO IS GIVING EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED TREASON AGAINST THE VILLAGE OVER AND FREAKING OVER TO RUN AROUND FREE KILLING KONOHA CITIZENS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ABOLISH THAT GOVERNMENT.

This just proves your out of your mind ...... Do you actually remember why the Uchiha were actually suspected and monitored in the first place? Because a goddamned Chakra monster with the clear mark of being controlled by a Uchiha destroyed half the village and none of them were there to help at the crisis ..... What ever might have been the right of the Uchiha, they didnt have the right to decide for other clans too and possibly plunge them into war .....

If America decides to go against a racist spree in america,

America already observes and scrutinizes suspicious people ..... LoL how much this is like 9/11, an rouge Uchiha bombs Konoha and the Uchiha becomes a suspect ..... but at least the Uchiha had free political power.

and starts forgiving people for using Americans as experiments for hideous reasons,

You tardtardson is yet to realise that not every deed by a grp or faction is not government sanctioned ......

and forgive american leaders who hand over american info to other countries.

I wonder why they didnt revolt against Bush .....

I WILL FREAKING REVOLT! DO YOU KNOW WHY?! BECAUSE IT IS MY RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN TO ABOLISH OR ALTER THE GOVERNMENT THAT DOES NOT PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE.

Even wondered why such ****ing laws, rules and protocols can be suspended during wartime? Cos a house divided against itself can not stand ... especially againt other houses.

NO THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME A TRAITOR OR HAVING TRIALED FOR TREASON. BECAUSE I AM JUSTIFIABLY PRACTICING MY RIGHT. STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE COUNTRY I LIVE IN.

Did u know what happened to the immigrant Japs (Uchiha) in America (Konoha) durring World War 2 after Pearl Harbor bombing (Kurama attack)?

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What good is to live in a village which you founded, but have no voice in? And then get segregated and blamed.. while the leaders are giving treason after treason..

Look again

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.... happens in real life too ....

Also no voice in? The Uchiha owned Konoha's internal security as their birthright .....

 

[shelke]

Uh, no, there's no right to slaughter because there was slaughter. In both situations innocents die. Now, there's the right to kill the ones who created the slaughter, but not innocents. That's just malice and quite frankly, evil.


I am from America and I have no clue what country you're talking about. I highly doubt USA is just randomly going around spreading misery in order to gain more power. In fact, USA historically just sets up democratic governments and leaves. I could see this happening in the deep past during the times of the Native Americans but not at this day and age. Please clarify.

That is your opinion. The transgressing Nation should pay for starting the flames of war.

I am from Pakistan and the slaughter happening in North Waziristan over the shenanigan called Al _ Qeada is as disgusting as it can get. It's nothing but political monopoly from USA. Innocents are dying and a resistance is developing in the region to ignite a national level revolution to separate Northern Areas from Pakistan in favour of Afghanistan.

Anyhow, not in a mood to turn this into a USA based thread. Any reply on this would be ignored from your side.

 

[To Whatever]

The Uchiha were against the government's elders, not the Village and it's inhabitants.

Why is this even a thread?

 

[KingHashirama]

And now i'm suppose to respond to something you constantly fail to understand, and creating an argument over your failing to understand it.


You blame the people for wanting their right in the government, for wanting a say in the government. You speak of peaceful ways, yet act like they weren't even considered, by a rational man like Fugaku.

And then you make excuses for people like Hiruzen, who themselves commited treason against the village. And Danzo who had already been planning to bring down the Uchiha.. are you seriously telling me that Uchiha had no right?

Sorry, but a revolution is justified if the nation brings it upon itself. And surely we will see this when it is shown. The whole "civil war" crap is wanked by the fans, when the whole crap was denied by Danzo himself right after that.



Funny that American revolution was against the british not against the Native americans... lord......

As for the Kyuubi attack, get your info right first:

- Planned by Danzo and Obito
- Danzo and them were the first ones to put the blame on the uchiha
- We don't know what the Uchiha were doing that night..but things are clear that Danzo himself was missing also.

Internal security = political voice? really? The police has political voice? since when? rofl.

Why are you telling me that people aren't voicing out? And who is saying America is just? Rofl. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO HAVE VOICED AGAINST CRIMES DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT. BUT THE THING IS INSTEAD OF STICKING TO THE ORIGINAL MORALS THE COUNTRY WAS BUILT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BASICALLY BECOME A DICTATORSHIP THAT HAS THE MASK OF A DEMOCRACY.... THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN BY THE GOVERNMENT......

AMERICA RIGHT NOW IS NO BETTER THEN WHAT KONOHA WAS DURING THAT TIME... PEOPLE WHO VOICE OUT AGAINST CORRUPTION GET KILLED = FACT.


AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING, AND PUT OTHERS DOWN CAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF "blood shed" or "civil unrest".


WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A CORRUPT NATION WHEN YOUR OWN PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED?!

Hell Thomas Jefferson himself, stated wanted the constitution to be written by every generation depending on their ideologies... And to support that belief they created the section of Amendments.

(I cannot find the quote for the one stated above, but here is his view on changes)

" I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors...[it] will be said it is easier to find faults than to amend [the Constituion]. I do not think...amendment so difficult as is pretended. Only lay down true principles, and adhere to them inflexibly."




Uchiha = 100% right.. you have literally said nothing to prove them wrong.. rofl. All you have done is make excuses for the leaders of konoha, and defend yourself while going around in circles..

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That is your opinion. The transgressing Nation should pay for starting the flames of war.

I am from Pakistan and the slaughter happening in North Waziristan over the shenanigan called Al _ Qeada is as disgusting as it can get. It's nothing but political monopoly from USA. Innocents are dying and a resistance is developing in the region to ignite a national level revolution to separate Northern Areas from Pakistan in favour of Afghanistan.

Anyhow, not in a mood to turn this into a USA based thread. Any reply on this would be ignored from your side.

You got your say. If you want to ignore it ignore it, but I will have my say as well. It's your opinion that USA's purposes aren't legitimate, but it is. Pakistan has been confirmed to have state-sponsored terrorism. They really have been involved with Al-Qaeda. Pakistan has been accused by multiple countries of stat-sponsored terrorism. It's not just USA. Irael, Britain, Afganistan, and India have also accused Pakistan. So no, it's not something fabricated by a nation. It'd have to be one heck of a conspiracy if multiple nations of different cultures all happened to give an excuse for USA to "Politically Monopolize" Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan supported the terrorists that attacked the United States. So it's actually Pakistan government that "Started the flames of war."


Now, if unjust events are happening there, it's because of individuals breaking the rules, not a senseless conquering. Pakistan is far from innocent and there are legitimate reasons for the US to be seeking terrorists in Pakistan. Now, whether or not it's being handled well or not could be the problem.


I'm perfectly content if this is as far as this conversation will go.

 

[KingHashirama]

You got your say. If you want to ignore it ignore it, but I will have my say as well. It's your opinion that USA's purposes aren't legitimate, but it is. Pakistan has been confirmed to have state-sponsored terrorism. They really have been involved with Al-Qaeda. Pakistan has been accused by multiple countries of stat-sponsored terrorism. It's not just USA. Irael, Britain, Afganistan, and India have also accused Pakistan. So no, it's not something fabricated by a nation. It'd have to be one heck of a conspiracy if multiple nations of different cultures all happened to give an excuse for USA to "Politically Monopolize" Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan supported the terrorists that attacked the United States. So it's actually Pakistan government that "Started the flames of war."


Now, if unjust events are happening there, it's because of individuals breaking the rules, not a senseless conquering. Pakistan is far from innocent and there are legitimate reasons for the US to be seeking terrorists in Pakistan. Now, whether or not it's being handled well or not could be the problem.


I'm perfectly content if this is as far as this conversation will go.

-didn't go help Rwanda and tried to make excuses for it.. while proclaiming they defend democracy.

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[To Whatever]

Uchiha = 100% right.. you have literally said nothing to prove them wrong.. rofl. All you have done is make excuses for the leaders of konoha, and defend yourself while going around in circles..

Just because they're right doesn't really matter. They lacked the ability to actually go through with it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Just because they're right doesn't really matter. They lacked the ability to actually go through with it.

They would have inevitably gotten the support of other konoha jounins, which later would've resulted into a negotiation at the end. And a whole lot of dirty konoha secrets would have been revealed.

 

[shelke]

You got your say. If you want to ignore it ignore it, but I will have my say as well. It's your opinion that USA's purposes aren't legitimate, but it is. Pakistan has been confirmed to have state-sponsored terrorism. They really have been involved with Al-Qaeda. Pakistan has been accused by multiple countries of stat-sponsored terrorism. It's not just USA. Irael, Britain, Afganistan, and India have also accused Pakistan. So no, it's not something fabricated by a nation. It'd have to be one heck of a conspiracy if multiple nations of different cultures all happened to give an excuse for USA to "Politically Monopolize" Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan supported the terrorists that attacked the United States. So it's actually Pakistan government that "Started the flames of war."


Now, if unjust events are happening there, it's because of individuals breaking the rules, not a senseless conquering. Pakistan is far from innocent and there are legitimate reasons for the US to be seeking terrorists in Pakistan. Now, whether or not it's being handled well or not could be the problem.


I'm perfectly content if this is as far as this conversation will go.

Spare me your proofs that have been sparked by the garbage belched out by your media. I live here. I know what the **** is going on. Afghanistan is AL-Qeada central, as this is the place where USA funding took place. India is involved in plenty of cross-border terrorism as well, not to mention the forceful taking away of Kashmir which was never a part of its territory. Don't even get me started on Israel, who has reportedly encroached on Palestinian lands and killed many innocents in the process. The accusations of these nations amount to nothing concrete.

No there are not. Your country has no right dismissing the Sovereignty of another Nation and carrying out its genocidal agenda to support its misson-purge sham. I have always found this nonsense hilarious. Yes, this is as far as this conversation will go. I will not reply any more.

 

[KingHashirama]

Spare me your proofs that have been sparked by the garbage belched out by your media. I live here. I know what the **** is going on. Afghanistan is AL-Qeada central, as this is the place where USA funding took place. India is involved in plenty of cross-border terrorism as well, not to mention the forceful taking away of Kashmir which was never a part of its territory. Don't even get me started on Israel, who has reportedly encroached on Palestinian lands and killed many innocents in the process. The accusations of these nations amount to nothing concrete.

No there are not. Your country has no right dismissing the Sovereignty of another Nation and carrying out its genocidal agenda to support its misson-purge sham. I have always found this nonsense hilarious. Yes, this is as far as this conversation will go. I will not reply any more.

Punjab was actually the rightful owner of Kashmir/PunjabHaryana and so on.

Pakistan and India basically screwed the sikhs lol.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Spare me your proofs that have been sparked by the garbage belched out by your media. I live here. I know what the **** is going on. Afghanistan is AL-Qeada central, as this is the place where USA funding took place. India is involved in plenty of cross-border terrorism as well, not to mention the forceful taking away of Kashmir which was never a part of its territory. Don't even get me started on Israel, who has reportedly encroached on Palestinian lands and killed many innocents in the process. The accusations of these nations amount to nothing concrete.

No there are not. Your country has no right dismissing the Sovereignty of another Nation and carrying out its genocidal agenda to support its misson-purge sham. I have always found this nonsense hilarious. Yes, this is as far as this conversation will go. I will not reply any more.

The United States is not Genocidal. The only exception that comes to mind was the Indians. Israel has always been victim to terrorist attacks by neighboring Arabian countries. That is a fact. I don't give a darn about the media. I hate the media, I will never be controlled by information spouted by it. I've been looking at sites for this info like wikipedia, which, as far as I know, anyone, and thus, any country can edit. I'll look deeper, but so far, they all say the same thing. Of course I have limited history knowledge, but 9/11 did happen, and so far, from the knowledge I'm gathering from the internet, Al-Queda was supported by Pakistan as well.


P.S. How do you know your media isn't doing the same to you? What makes you think they aren't exaggerating what the USA is doing to your country? They may very well be making it seem like USA has no business there and that Pakistan is a poor innocent country that got stepped on for vial, unknown reasons. I doubt being in Pakistan benefits the United Sates. Think about it. What would we have to gain?

 

[paratise]

You got your say. If you want to ignore it ignore it, but I will have my say as well. It's your opinion that USA's purposes aren't legitimate, but it is. Pakistan has been confirmed to have state-sponsored terrorism. They really have been involved with Al-Qaeda. Pakistan has been accused by multiple countries of stat-sponsored terrorism. It's not just USA. Irael, Britain, Afganistan, and India have also accused Pakistan. So no, it's not something fabricated by a nation. It'd have to be one heck of a conspiracy if multiple nations of different cultures all happened to give an excuse for USA to "Politically Monopolize" Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan supported the terrorists that attacked the United States. So it's actually Pakistan government that "Started the flames of war."


Now, if unjust events are happening there, it's because of individuals breaking the rules, not a senseless conquering. Pakistan is far from innocent and there are legitimate reasons for the US to be seeking terrorists in Pakistan. Now, whether or not it's being handled well or not could be the problem.


I'm perfectly content if this is as far as this conversation will go.

Keep watching whatever your TV shows mate it makes a good deal out of you.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Keep watching whatever your TV shows mate it makes a good deal out of you.

I don't watch the news. I've just been gathering what info I could on the internet at this point. Since you're so sure of yourself and cocky, where do you get your information?

 

[shelke]

The United States is not Genocidal. The only exception that comes to mind was the Indians. Israel has always been victim to terrorist attacks by neighboring Arabian countries. That is a fact. I don't give a darn about the media. I hate the media, I will never be controlled by information spouted by it. I've been looking at sites for this info like wikipedia, which, as far as I know, anyone, and thus, any country can edit. I'll look deeper, but so far, they all say the same thing. Of course I have limited history knowledge, but 9/11 did happen, and so far, from the knowledge I'm gathering from the internet, Al-Queda was supported by Pakistan as well.


P.S. How do you know your media isn't doing the same to you? What makes you think they aren't exaggerating what the USA is doing to your country? They may very well be making it seem like USA has no business there and that Pakistan is a poor innocent country that got stepped on for vial, unknown reasons. I doubt being in Pakistan benefits the United Sates. Think about it. What would we have to gain?

You are looking at information from wikipedia? Supported by Pakistan? My country is in economical turmoil. It's literally in dept. Economic inflation has sky rocketed, so much so that prices of even the most basic things have blown through the roof. Pakistan doesn't even have enough money for an alternative Energy Source and thus, Load-Shedding takes place here even in winters. In summers - I live in suburbs - even in suburbs, I have faced Load-shedding 16 hours straight and any other areas were far worse. You think such a country would have enough to maintain a terrorist militia? Are you joking?

The Media here has said no such thing about USA and I don't watch Media to make my mind-set about anything. I have acquaintances and people who are refugees here from those regions. They have lost their families, everything to USA's despicable War on Terror to further its political lobby.