Tsukuyomi overrated and hyped up

[Emerald Dragon]

If you're blind, it would have no affect lol:shrug:

 

[Koha]

Only an idiot who didn't read the manga or has something against Itachi would agree with KingHashirama....


To honestly compare Sasuke's Tsukuyomi to Itachi's is like comparing Fire Style: Fireball Jutsu to Amaterasu. Fail of an argument. Even Danzo said that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi was nothing compared to Itachi's.

 

[KingHashirama]

In bold, your statement is incorrect while being correct. While Bee broke the genjutsu with chakra disruption, it was only possible because sasuke's "tsukiyomi" is sh*t. Danzo himself said sasuke's sharingan genjutsu is laughable compared to the real tsukiyomi. I would agree that it is overly hyped up, but I'm not sure you totally appreciate how powerful it really is.

Mate, I stated people like SM Naruto can break out of it.. People like Kakashi aren't on SM Naruto's level.. So I'm not underrating it, but Telling the way to break out of it is Chakra Disruption.

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior due to him not being able to manipulate space and time like Itachi.. otherwise its the same technique... Hence the breaking is the same...

Its like saying Tobirama's Edo tensei is inferior so its easier to counter , than Kabuto's or Oro's.... well no.. the counter seal aka the release seal is still the same.

Chakra distruption should work, but performing to succeed is one thing.

The victim needs to be good enough to break control imposed by the Genjutsu's user, any elite shinobi knows its the key to break a genjutsu... but doing it is an other story.

And breaking the illusion seems to be half of the story.

Example ; Orochimaru falling to Itachi's sharingan genjutsu.

Despite being able to ''break'' out of Itachi's genjutsu, he couldnt move and act fast enough to get himself out of danger... which ended with Itachi cutting his hand off to prevent him to fully break out of it.

Even Naruto, being taught by Jiraiya how to break out of illusion... was pinned down by perhaps Itachi's weakest illusion casted by a 30% clone of himself.... imagine a 100% clone, now imagine a Sharingan genjutsu, then Imagine Tsukuyomi.


Itachi and Sasuke breaking out of Kabuto's genjutsu was easy as it was an outside source that was disrupting their chakra.

But such thing is not possible with Itachi's tsukuyomi, so it comes down to someone's raw genjutsu power, or if hes a perfect Jinchuriki or if he can disrupt his own chakra.

Raw power in this case showcases that only someone with chakra stength comparable to Madara's and eye power that surpasses the user of the genjutsu can break the illusion (Sasuke vs Itachi)

Perfect Jinchuriki still get caught by Sasuke's illusion and Itachi's base genjutsu,,, long enough to put them in a hazardous situations.... Itachi's tsukuyomi would likely deal a fair amount of damage even to a ''perfect'' jinchuriki.

Chakra disruption is one way, but clearly the one bound to be the most unsuccessfull as you need to master it to a very high level....and if you aint efficient a genjutsu, which means aint very efficient a controlling your chakra, controlling your chakra to break yourself out of one aint gonna be a walk in the park either.




Tsukuyomi is only overrated if you fail to see that Itachi's and Sasuke's are different. Sasuke is a ''good' genjutsu user but Itachi's is the benchmark when it comes to genjutsu, he took his to an other level. Danzo himself ****ted himself at the sight of Itachi's ghost in Sasuke's illusion.... i doubt it was due to Amaterasu or Susano.



No, Sasuke sharingan is stronger than Itachi's. Orochimaru commented on how Sasuke's eyes would surpass Itachi's in part 1. Obito said the same when he and deidara fought Sasuke.



Sasuke is pretty much immune to sharingan genjutsu as he has stronger eyes.

Sasuke's eyes are strong NOW, because of EMS... Otherwise, as me or you know that they were inferior to Itachi's. They however would've been stronger even in MS if Sasuke had more time.. but when they fought Sasuke was inferior to Itachi Uchiha.



Only perfect Jin example we have is Killer B's and he my friend was in 2 situations like that. And in all of them, it wasn't really dangerous.. Especially in the Edo.. I mean Hachibi could've just switched with Killer B if it was really that Dangerous. ^_^


As for Naruto, Naruto ... I suppose Naruto didn't think about this.. but He could've gotten out of it with Sage Mode.. There is a reason why Itachi believed Jiraya to be superior. And the only explanation is Sage Mode. I don't know why people are assuming that I'm tryna say Itachi's genjutsu is overrated and etc.

Even though All i said is it can be broken by Chakra Disruption, And the damage part is on your brain itself. I mean look at killer B.. he was able to bounce back up quickly.

You cannot distrubt chakra in an imaginary world, where the enemy is in control of everything. You can do it, in the real world, but before you even realize it, you are so deep inside the genjutsu that it will be too late. The jutsu only lasts few seconds in reality.

If you did look thoroughly in the databook, you would see that Tsukuyomi is in fact NINJUTSU, which is why it has physical effects on the mind. It's a ninjutsu within a genjutsu. Thus you cannot "stop" Itachis manipulation of time, nor can you overcome it with normal means.

Whatever you say, your argument is invalid U_U Tsukuyomi isn't underrated, it's a top 5 jutsu in the narutoverse, because of its ability to take out opponents that are much much stronger than yourself.

Sage Mode chakra..... The jutsu that Kakashi was in.. actually kept going for a long period of time even in real world.

Sage Mode chakra, is chakra adding from the outside, which totally changes your chakrapool.

Top 5 jutsu? uh no.

1. Chibakuu Tensei/Meteors
2. Tree World
3. PS
4. Shinra Tensei
5. Jinton

Its been stated that you need to be Itachi's blood relative and have a Sharingan to break Tsukuyomi, manga fact, if you don't like it oh well, but don't expect anyone to believe the BS in this thread when the manga has already disproved it.

I can't believe you used Sasuke's Tsukuyomi as an example....Itachi's Tsukuyomi>Sasuke's Tsukuyomi.

Only a fool who hasn't been reading the right manga would agree with you.

Only a fool, who doesn't read the databooks, or looks at the jutsus would agree that chakra disruption doesn't cancel Tsukuyomi.

Even though the reason why Sasuke broke out of Itachi's is due to chakra disruption

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still Tsukuyomi.... I'm not a Idiot who believes those 2 different techniques. Same Techniques but mastered to a different level. Therefore have the same weakness.

 

[VongolaX]

Mate, I stated people like SM Naruto can break out of it.. People like Kakashi aren't on SM Naruto's level.. So I'm not underrating it, but Telling the way to break out of it is Chakra Disruption.

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior due to him not being able to manipulate space and time like Itachi.. otherwise its the same technique... Hence the breaking is the same...

Its like saying Tobirama's Edo tensei is inferior so its easier to counter , than Kabuto's or Oro's.... well no.. the counter seal aka the release seal is still the same.



Sasuke's eyes are strong NOW, because of EMS... Otherwise, as me or you know that they were inferior to Itachi's. They however would've been stronger even in MS if Sasuke had more time.. but when they fought Sasuke was inferior to Itachi Uchiha.



Only perfect Jin example we have is Killer B's and he my friend was in 2 situations like that. And in all of them, it wasn't really dangerous.. Especially in the Edo.. I mean Hachibi could've just switched with Killer B if it was really that Dangerous. ^_^


As for Naruto, Naruto ... I suppose Naruto didn't think about this.. but He could've gotten out of it with Sage Mode.. There is a reason why Itachi believed Jiraya to be superior. And the only explanation is Sage Mode. I don't know why people are assuming that I'm tryna say Itachi's genjutsu is overrated and etc.

Even though All i said is it can be broken by Chakra Disruption, And the damage part is on your brain itself. I mean look at killer B.. he was able to bounce back up quickly.



Sage Mode chakra..... The jutsu that Kakashi was in.. actually kept going for a long period of time even in real world.

Sage Mode chakra, is chakra adding from the outside, which totally changes your chakrapool.

Top 5 jutsu? uh no.

1. Chibakuu Tensei/Meteors
2. Tree World
3. PS
4. Shinra Tensei
5. Jinton


Only a fool, who doesn't read the databooks, or looks at the jutsus would agree that chakra disruption doesn't cancel Tsukuyomi.

Even though the reason why Sasuke broke out of Itachi's is due to chakra disruption

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still Tsukuyomi.... I'm not a Idiot who believes those 2 different techniques. Same Techniques but mastered to a different level. Therefore have the same weakness.

Hahaha your list of top 5 justus is completely wrong, also manga> databook. Just saying, i'm not trolling but just merely telling you the truth

 

[KingHashirama]

Hahaha your list of top 5 justus is completely wrong

On a Powerscale and destruction.. those 5 are the top. . Summonings aren't included of course.

But replace Jinton with TBB, and you have Top 5 in which ever order.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mate, I stated people like SM Naruto can break out of it.. People like Kakashi aren't on SM Naruto's level.. So I'm not underrating it, but Telling the way to break out of it is Chakra Disruption.

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior due to him not being able to manipulate space and time like Itachi.. otherwise its the same technique... Hence the breaking is the same...

Its like saying Tobirama's Edo tensei is inferior so its easier to counter , than Kabuto's or Oro's.... well no.. the counter seal aka the release seal is still the same.



Sasuke's eyes are strong NOW, because of EMS... Otherwise, as me or you know that they were inferior to Itachi's. They however would've been stronger even in MS if Sasuke had more time.. but when they fought Sasuke was inferior to Itachi Uchiha.



Only perfect Jin example we have is Killer B's and he my friend was in 2 situations like that. And in all of them, it wasn't really dangerous.. Especially in the Edo.. I mean Hachibi could've just switched with Killer B if it was really that Dangerous. ^_^


As for Naruto, Naruto ... I suppose Naruto didn't think about this.. but He could've gotten out of it with Sage Mode.. There is a reason why Itachi believed Jiraya to be superior. And the only explanation is Sage Mode. I don't know why people are assuming that I'm tryna say Itachi's genjutsu is overrated and etc.

Even though All i said is it can be broken by Chakra Disruption, And the damage part is on your brain itself. I mean look at killer B.. he was able to bounce back up quickly.



Sage Mode chakra..... The jutsu that Kakashi was in.. actually kept going for a long period of time even in real world.

Sage Mode chakra, is chakra adding from the outside, which totally changes your chakrapool.

Top 5 jutsu? uh no.

1. Chibakuu Tensei/Meteors
2. Tree World
3. PS
4. Shinra Tensei
5. Jinton


Only a fool, who doesn't read the databooks, or looks at the jutsus would agree that chakra disruption doesn't cancel Tsukuyomi.

Even though the reason why Sasuke broke out of Itachi's is due to chakra disruption

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still Tsukuyomi.... I'm not a Idiot who believes those 2 different techniques. Same Techniques but mastered to a different level. Therefore have the same weakness.

Who ever said they were two different techniques? Everyone knows they are the same technique. Bold logic is retarded. They don't have the same weakness and manga proves it. The fact their at different levels means you can't apply one's weakness to the other.

And obviously its chakra disruption that breaks Tsukuyomi (Itachi's version) but if you don't have the Sharingan and your not blood related like Sasuke is you can't break out, its as simple as that. Disputing this is basically saying what Kishimoto put in his manga is incorrect.

Not to mention 1=72 hours with Tsukuyomi, he only had Kakashi in there for 1 second, he can have his opponents in there as long as he pleases, until they die of course. Fact is no one can escape except Sasuke.

 

[Koha]

Mate, I stated people like SM Naruto can break out of it.. People like Kakashi aren't on SM Naruto's level.. So I'm not underrating it, but Telling the way to break out of it is Chakra Disruption.

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior due to him not being able to manipulate space and time like Itachi.. otherwise its the same technique... Hence the breaking is the same...

Its like saying Tobirama's Edo tensei is inferior so its easier to counter , than Kabuto's or Oro's.... well no.. the counter seal aka the release seal is still the same.



Sasuke's eyes are strong NOW, because of EMS... Otherwise, as me or you know that they were inferior to Itachi's. They however would've been stronger even in MS if Sasuke had more time.. but when they fought Sasuke was inferior to Itachi Uchiha.



Only perfect Jin example we have is Killer B's and he my friend was in 2 situations like that. And in all of them, it wasn't really dangerous.. Especially in the Edo.. I mean Hachibi could've just switched with Killer B if it was really that Dangerous. ^_^


As for Naruto, Naruto ... I suppose Naruto didn't think about this.. but He could've gotten out of it with Sage Mode.. There is a reason why Itachi believed Jiraya to be superior. And the only explanation is Sage Mode. I don't know why people are assuming that I'm tryna say Itachi's genjutsu is overrated and etc.

Even though All i said is it can be broken by Chakra Disruption, And the damage part is on your brain itself. I mean look at killer B.. he was able to bounce back up quickly.



Sage Mode chakra..... The jutsu that Kakashi was in.. actually kept going for a long period of time even in real world.

Sage Mode chakra, is chakra adding from the outside, which totally changes your chakrapool.

Top 5 jutsu? uh no.

1. Chibakuu Tensei/Meteors
2. Tree World
3. PS
4. Shinra Tensei
5. Jinton


Only a fool, who doesn't read the databooks, or looks at the jutsus would agree that chakra disruption doesn't cancel Tsukuyomi.

Even though the reason why Sasuke broke out of Itachi's is due to chakra disruption

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still Tsukuyomi.... I'm not a Idiot who believes those 2 different techniques. Same Techniques but mastered to a different level. Therefore have the same weakness.

Chakra Disruption doesn't mean a thing, when your body doesn't even realize it's trapped within a Genjutsu, and while in Itachi's Tsukuyomi, your movements and perceptions are warped to whatever Itachi chooses for you to believe. Sasuke's Tsukuyomi was only used as a quick above average Paralysis Genjutsu.

As I repeat, your mind and body both are completely ripped between two different perceptions, the time your body actually catches up to knowing it's trapped in Genjutsu it's over.

 

[jsrhoden]

Itachi's techniques are not overrated , They're Overpowered

Agreed

 

[ItachixHatake]

This technique is so hyped up by the fans of Itachi.. why? Cause of the page where Itachi says only the ones who are related to him, can break it.. lmao. So based on that page people basically cut off the "normal way" of canceling a genjutsu, chakra disruption, from the list of ways to stop Tsukuyomi. Which is freaking wrong.


Sasuke Uchiha used Tsukuyomi on Killer B, how was Killer B able to comeback? oh yea, because of Chakra disruption.

Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, all genjutsus are the same, they deal with chakra manipulation inside the victim's body. So Tsukuyomi is no different. People like SM Naruto and Jiraya and others who are able to disrupt their chakra and have strong minds (Otherwise it will affect you mentally , like it did to Kakashi) can break out of it.


Stop overrating something, that follows the simple law of breaking a Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi is nothing special, if your talking about breaking it.

I really hate that people think Sasuke has Tsuk, when he doesnt

 

[Koha]

I really hate that people think Sasuke has Tsuk, when he doesnt

He does, Danzo commented on it... Plus, you need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to activate Susano'o. Look up the Japanese myth.

 

[VongolaX]

On a Powerscale and destruction.. those 5 are the top. . Summonings aren't included of course.

But replace Jinton with TBB, and you have Top 5 in which ever order.

you put chibaku tensei above the varies of bijuu ttb and one meteorite is like the same level of like two ttb.
You didn't include any tailed beast blast is all i'm saying. On a massive destructive scale, susanoo should be there

 

[The Alchemist]

This technique is so hyped up by the fans of Itachi.. why? Cause of the page where Itachi says only the ones who are related to him, can break it.. lmao. So based on that page people basically cut off the "normal way" of canceling a genjutsu, chakra disruption, from the list of ways to stop Tsukuyomi. Which is freaking wrong.


Sasuke Uchiha used Tsukuyomi on Killer B, how was Killer B able to comeback? oh yea, because of Chakra disruption.

Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, all genjutsus are the same, they deal with chakra manipulation inside the victim's body. So Tsukuyomi is no different. People like SM Naruto and Jiraya and others who are able to disrupt their chakra and have strong minds (Otherwise it will affect you mentally , like it did to Kakashi) can break out of it.


Stop overrating something, that follows the simple law of breaking a Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi is nothing special, if your talking about breaking it.

I concur.

 

[know it all]

Mate, I stated people like SM Naruto can break out of it.. People like Kakashi aren't on SM Naruto's level.. So I'm not underrating it, but Telling the way to break out of it is Chakra Disruption.

Sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior due to him not being able to manipulate space and time like Itachi.. otherwise its the same technique... Hence the breaking is the same...

Its like saying Tobirama's Edo tensei is inferior so its easier to counter , than Kabuto's or Oro's.... well no.. the counter seal aka the release seal is still the same.



Sasuke's eyes are strong NOW, because of EMS... Otherwise, as me or you know that they were inferior to Itachi's. They however would've been stronger even in MS if Sasuke had more time.. but when they fought Sasuke was inferior to Itachi Uchiha.



Only perfect Jin example we have is Killer B's and he my friend was in 2 situations like that. And in all of them, it wasn't really dangerous.. Especially in the Edo.. I mean Hachibi could've just switched with Killer B if it was really that Dangerous. ^_^


As for Naruto, Naruto ... I suppose Naruto didn't think about this.. but He could've gotten out of it with Sage Mode.. There is a reason why Itachi believed Jiraya to be superior. And the only explanation is Sage Mode. I don't know why people are assuming that I'm tryna say Itachi's genjutsu is overrated and etc.

Even though All i said is it can be broken by Chakra Disruption, And the damage part is on your brain itself. I mean look at killer B.. he was able to bounce back up quickly.



Sage Mode chakra..... The jutsu that Kakashi was in.. actually kept going for a long period of time even in real world.

Sage Mode chakra, is chakra adding from the outside, which totally changes your chakrapool.

Top 5 jutsu? uh no.

1. Chibakuu Tensei/Meteors
2. Tree World
3. PS
4. Shinra Tensei
5. Jinton


Only a fool, who doesn't read the databooks, or looks at the jutsus would agree that chakra disruption doesn't cancel Tsukuyomi.

Even though the reason why Sasuke broke out of Itachi's is due to chakra disruption

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still Tsukuyomi.... I'm not a Idiot who believes those 2 different techniques. Same Techniques but mastered to a different level. Therefore have the same weakness.

I'm just saying, Danzo said that the sharingan genjutsu used by sasuke was far inferior to itachi's tsukiyomi. And you can't compare tsukiyomi to edo tensei. They are two COMPLETELY different jutsu. That's like comparing apples to broccoli. They are two completely different classes of jutsu.

 

[SomeOddStudios]

Itachi's techniques are not overrated , They're Overpowered

To say overpowered would be weird to say, I mean, it has to be a genjutsu because it involves him using his sharingan, He could not possibly carry enough chakra on reserve to pull of an infinite eye technique....For example, when he uses the technique on Kakashi that made him believe he was being tortured for thousands of years, To say the move was overpowered because of its ability/visual it still has a limit and withers...it is really based on the opponent thought process... And because the same bloodline typical share the same jutsu subconsciously, they are able to break it more quick, Kakashi was able to break his because of Obito,U_U

 

[itachikakashi]

Itachi's Tsukyomi can't be compared to Sasuke's

Agreed

 

[iFlowMotion]

Huh...cute thread.

Your first fallacious point lies in what you say about Sasuke. While it's true Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee, he only broke out of it as Sasuke's Tsukuyomi and Genjutsu in general is inferior to Itachi's. Namely, that Sasuke cannot manipulate time in his, which brings me to my next point, that Sasuke's is not instant. This was something that was attested by Tobi in Sasuke's bout with Danzo. [

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With the above in mind, Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant, as described on two canonical occasions. [

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] Kakashi also claims that there is no cancelling the effects of it. This is because Itachi's Tsukuyomi and I will repeat again for those who cannot comphrenend this simple fact, that it is Itachi's Tsukuyomi which cannot be broken by normal means, unless you're an Uchiha; something which was proven when Sasuke broke out of it in their destined battle. Additionally, Kakashi did not survive Tsukuyomi himself; Tsunade healed him. And this was because Itachi went easy on Kakashi, like Kakashi himself stated: "He could have killed me if he wanted to..."

Riddle me this: how can you break a technique that affects you in an instant? To put the conjecture forward that:

• One must recognize the Genjutsu.
• Then one must cancel it's effects before an instant has occured. :|

Makes no sense...

Like Kakashi said, it's effects cannot be cancelled. And to break a technique faster than an instant makes absolutely no sense.

Thus, to use Sasuke as an example is completely illogical and fallacious. Though, like I said, cute thread.​

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I love this guy no homo ^^ He said everything now haters keep hating

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

This technique is so hyped up by the fans of Itachi.. why? Cause of the page where Itachi says only the ones who are related to him, can break it.. lmao. So based on that page people basically cut off the "normal way" of canceling a genjutsu, chakra disruption, from the list of ways to stop Tsukuyomi. Which is freaking wrong.


Sasuke Uchiha used Tsukuyomi on Killer B, how was Killer B able to comeback? oh yea, because of Chakra disruption.

Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, all genjutsus are the same, they deal with chakra manipulation inside the victim's body. So Tsukuyomi is no different. People like SM Naruto and Jiraya and others who are able to disrupt their chakra and have strong minds (Otherwise it will affect you mentally , like it did to Kakashi) can break out of it.


Stop overrating something, that follows the simple law of breaking a Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi is nothing special, if your talking about breaking it.

The reason it is hyped, and rightly so, is because of Itachi's own Tsuku. He is able to make it seem like you sent 3 days in the genjutsu but only a second passes in the real world. Even if somebody is able to disrupt their own chakra in a half second, they would have still been tortured for a day at least.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm just saying, Danzo said that the sharingan genjutsu used by sasuke was far inferior to itachi's tsukiyomi. And you can't compare tsukiyomi to edo tensei. They are two COMPLETELY different jutsu. That's like comparing apples to broccoli. They are two completely different classes of jutsu.

I gave you a example, of what your saying.... You said Itachi's Tsukuyomi is different then Sasuke's.... which it is not... Its the same jutsu but mastered to a different level.... Therefore has the same weakness. How does that not apply to Edo tensei?

you put chibaku tensei above the varies of bijuu ttb and one meteorite is like the same level of like two ttb.
You didn't include any tailed beast blast is all i'm saying. On a massive destructive scale, susanoo should be there

I said the top 5 varies. o-o

The reason it is hyped, and rightly so, is because of Itachi's own Tsuku. He is able to make it seem like you sent 3 days in the genjutsu but only a second passes in the real world. Even if somebody is able to disrupt their own chakra in a half second, they would have still been tortured for a day at least.

But the thing is its more then 1 second.

 

[Stark]

Wood Release is one of the most hyped up jutsus, Hashirama fanboy naturally degrading any Uchiha.

 

[Phoenix of Chaos]

NO. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is overrated and overhyped.... and it should be!