Tobirama or Kisame?

[Penguin]

Pffft. Suidanha isn't any stronger than a simple Samurai sword tho'.

Meh. I think it has better slicing and penetrating abilities. Don't get turnt up on me though.

Funny that you're the one pointing that out. Dunno why these people got the idea Tobirama has a great hype in terms of suiton. Could people really link me? Cuz last time i checked he was never hyped that much in the suiton release

Fodder Anbu saying how great it was. Lel.

Noobs Like you are Comparing Different things.

sasuke got caught.


tobirama got fodderized +

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No one knew Juubito's speed. Tobirama had the reactions to tag Juubito with a FTG seal as well as three paper bombs. Juubito is near instant by the way. Only Minato would have been able to do something like that. After that attack, Tobirama has not been caught by Rikudobito's attacks. The same cannot be said for Sasuke.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Meekz89]

Sorry, I don't go by ranks or hype whenever making these comparisons. I go by feats, and Kisame's Suiton feats shit on Tobirama's as we've seen many jutsus by Kisame via Suiton that he uses very skillfully.

Well call me when Kisame learnt the most advanced form of Waterstyle, and that's being able to control water molecules from the air.

 

[KingHashirama]

Funny that you're the one pointing that out. Dunno why these people got the idea Tobirama has a great hype in terms of suiton. Could people really link me? Cuz last time i checked he was never hyped that much in the suiton release

o-o I have pointed this out couple of times before.

But Tobirama's suiton should be on the level of Madara's Katon.

 

[Shura]

Meh. I think it has better slicing and penetrating abilities. Don't get turnt up on me though.

Madara still solo's though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Bogard]

Fodder Anbu saying how great it was. Lel.

I know about that, but what i'm asking is where people got the idea Tobirama was hyped as the best suiton user in this manga. All what the manga(and databook) say is that he was a skilfull suiton user, that's all. Even by hype, it doesn't put him above people like Kisame in the category

 

[-immortal-]

Meh. I think it has better slicing and penetrating abilities. Don't get turnt up on me though.



Fodder Anbu saying how great it was. Lel.



No one knew Juubito's speed. Tobirama had the reactions to tag Juubito with a FTG seal as well as three paper bombs. Juubito is near instant by the way. Only Minato would have been able to do something like that. After that attack, Tobirama has not been caught by Rikudobito's attacks. The same cannot be said for Sasuke.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cause sasuke is a Real man Fighting when the only Hokage who is a true god is Hashirama who is Fighting Madara
tobirama and hiruzen can better lay there old ass back 6feet under Lol
minato is just awesome

and oh all those attacks that tobirama did was Only one himself. other got help. yet they weren't effective.

sasuke on the otherside

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[Penguin]

I know about that, but what i'm asking is where people got the idea Tobirama was hyped as the best suiton user in this manga. All what the manga(and databook) say is that he was a skilfull suiton user, that's all. Even by hype, it doesn't put him above people like Kisame in the category

Oh. Noobs reading Narutopedia. That is how I used to think of it. Narutopedia hyped his Suiton to no end. I have not read the manga until Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto and onward, so I used Narutopedia and got an idea of how the story before that chapter went. I was wrong on a lot of things, but after reading several debates I have a great grasp on it.

They both have the same since they couldn't escape obito when they got caught.

tobirama is only faster

Don't. Sasuke's reactions are garbage compared to Tobirama. Did you just say Tobirama was faster?

:leaf:

Sasuke had knowledge of Juubito's speed and couldn't react to the blitz. Tobirama without any intel on Juubito's speed not only formulated a plan but tagged with 4 times. Minato and Tobirama also used the Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu with Minato, which requires great reactions and timing.

 

[KingHashirama]

You guys have a worthless debate about reaction time... You are confusing the speed of their reaction with the reaction time itself.

 

[-immortal-]

Oh. Noobs reading Narutopedia. That is how I used to think of it. Narutopedia hyped his Suiton to no end. I have not read the manga until Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto and onward, so I used Narutopedia and got an idea of how the story before that chapter went. I was wrong on a lot of things, but after reading several debates I have a great grasp on it.



Don't. Sasuke's reactions are garbage compared to Tobirama. Did you just say Tobirama was faster?

:leaf:

Sasuke had knowledge of Juubito's speed and couldn't react to the blitz. Tobirama without any intel on Juubito's speed not only formulated a plan but tagged with 4 times. Minato and Tobirama also used the Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu with Minato, which requires great reactions and timing.

(༎ຶꈊ༎ຶ╬) oh you!

once again.. hate as reached your anuss

 

[paratise]

Kisame is superior in suiton.

-Made a massive water wave against Team Gai at a wasteland and was at 30%
-Thousand feeding sharks
-Water dome (has a great size that comfortably dwarfed trees)
-Great Shark Bullet (can absorb all ninjutsu that's hack)
-Shit i don't recall

Tobirama
-Water dragon
-Water squirter something (suidanha or wut)
-Shit i don't recall

 

[SnakeSkinBlade]

If it is just based on water style jutsu then the Second Hokage

 

[Penguin]

You guys have a worthless debate about reaction time... You are confusing the speed of their reaction with the reaction time itself.

Elaborate.

 

[KingHashirama]

Elaborate.

Lets see, Tobirama has the speed to act quickly. While someone like Sasuke lacks speed to act quickly. However, was Sasuke able to react to Obito's attack? yes... but he couldn't do anything about it.

Most people put Minato top 1 in reaction time, when it is false. Minato has FTG to accommodate his reaction timing. Just like Killer B used the 8-tails to react to Minato's ftg.

Hope you get what i mean.

 

[Touken]

Lets see, Tobirama has the speed to act quickly. While someone like Sasuke lacks speed to act quickly. However, was Sasuke able to react to Obito's attack? yes... but he couldn't do anything about it.

Most people put Minato top 1 in reaction time, when it is false. Minato has FTG to accommodate his reaction timing. Just like Killer B used the 8-tails to react to Minato's ftg.

Hope you get what i mean.

TL;DR: You need a combination of speed and reactions to counter quick attacks.

When we say a person can react to something, we mean he has both the reactions and the speed to counter that attack.

Both Tobirama and Minato have got the necessary physical (speed) and mental (reactions) requirements to counter high speed assaults.

Minato's quick even without FTG, he proved this when he got to the battlefield before the other Hokage.

 

[tyltyl]

tobirama solos

 

[KingHashirama]

TL;DR: You need a combination of speed and reactions to counter quick attacks.

When we say a person can react to something, we mean he has both the reactions and the speed to counter that attack.

Both Tobirama and Minato have got the necessary physical (speed) and mental (reactions) requirements to counter high speed assaults.

Minato's quick even without FTG, he proved this when he got to the battlefield before the other Hokage.

It isn't about what you believe reaction is.. it is about the actual meaning. These confusing debates occur due to people not knowing what the thing they are talking about is.


His quickness has nothing to do with his reaction time. If someone lifted even one finger against Minato's ftg.. that would mean they reacted to his FTG. But couldn't do anything about because they didn't have the speed to do it.


Counter attack has nothing to do with react.

 

[-immortal-]

tobirama solos

Kisame Shark sucks its Chakra GG
then tsunami on balls GG

fodder tobirama can't even defeat sasoir

 

[Avinash012]

Tobirama has used 3 water styles jutsu, 2 B-rank (half strength), 1 A-rank full strength. Kisame only used more jutsus, not more powerful jutsu.

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Lets see, Tobirama has the speed to act quickly. While someone like Sasuke lacks speed to act quickly. However, was Sasuke able to react to Obito's attack? yes... but he couldn't do anything about it.

Most people put Minato top 1 in reaction time, when it is false. Minato has FTG to accommodate his reaction timing. Just like Killer B used the 8-tails to react to Minato's ftg.

Hope you get what i mean.

FTG is a jutsu and performing a jutsu when the opponents jutsu is at point blank range means that he had considerable reaction time...Having FTG dosen't mean that having better reaction time ...Lol

 

[Prime Rib]

Who do you think is better at Suiton? Tobirama hasn't really shown any great suiton feats so i'm starting to have doubts.

Go watch naruto part 1 when tobirama is brought back without his full power he is able to perform A-rank lvl water style jutsu with 1 handseal and no water source. its been confirm for a long time now hes the best water user7manipulator to every exsist.

 

[Zexion~]

Kisame shits on Tobirama no argument here