That's why I said it was implied. There's 3 people with a billion bounty with one of them being the 5th emperor of the sea, the other being the First Mate of Big mom's crew or at least the strongest of the Big mom pirates, and Jack who many believe (besides you) to also be the First Mate of Kaido's crew.
Just because there are other two calamity captains in Kaido's crew doesn't mean that they will all share equal levels. We seen that with Whitebeard's commander and Big mom's generals.
With that said you are also speculating that there is another calamity stronger than Jack based on "traditional showings of First Mates being the last shown" due to suspense and character building which is understandable but not a fact so far.
I said that the billion bounty mark is where the cut is, anything lower will not hold that same threat level/strength level. Jack and Dogtooth both hold that bounty mark regardless if one's higher than the other leading me to believe that they are equivalent.
The only time when I don’t apply that logic is when you’re below that billion bounty threat.
Also note that we know where beating a billion bounty First Mate gets you as a pirate captain just by assessing what Blackbeard and Luffy did (I’m assuming that Marco has a billion as well), so are you going to sit here and argue with me that General Smoothie holds the same threat level as General Dogtooth?
You’re also forgetting one important detail. Oda made the ceiling a lot more visible when the new Emperor of the sea also had 1.5 billion bounty.
So do not expect to see another powerful pirate with let’s say a 10+100+ billion bounty unless they are Dragon or another Emperor of the Sea.
The way you’re wording it, you’re expecting someone to super exceed Dogtooth and Jack’s bounty equivalent to be 10 bill or 100 bill and not be of Yonko status.
Even when Ace’s bounty was first shown, today his bounty still towers over people that are suppose to be around his current level.
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You’re mistaken me for Riker. I didn’t give you a statement, I asked you a question and you started on the offense. Go read what I said properly and you’ll see.
The only time I really reinforce myself is when it’s written clear as day in the manga. I take the text very literally just in case you haven’t notice and a perfect example of that is when I refer to the higher subordines of the Yonko by their actual position. For an example Kaido’s high ranking member
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; and fortunately enough for me those half-wits Riker and LoveCook are there cracking jokes when they don’t know that they are making a fool of themselves. Same thing with
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But back on topic, I asked you a question because by the way you’re talking it seems like you already have your own opinion on how it should be, my reply was just to figure out what it is.
And I just explained to you that the way how you interpret this implying is far from being a certainty and hence you can't make such assumptions.
It's actually quite exemplary that you refer to Luffy as an emperor and that you think what other people believe functions as an argument. That latter is completely irrelevant; what matters is the reasons why they believe that and I reckon the primary reason is not in the first place because of his bounty, but because he was once referred to as Kaidou's right-hand man. Only that was done by his own subordinate, which might have been mere boasting or wishful-thinking as we still don't know how any of the three Calamities interact with Kaidou and maybe all of them consider themselves the right-hand man. What's more I wouldn't say that when it comes to believing things, the community has a great track record. And concerning the emperor-thing, that was said once by a scoop-obsessed bird, yet in the very same chapter BB, a real Yonkou, questioned that claim. So you arbitrarily go with what one character says, but ignore another who objectively speaking is much more reliable in that matter and if that is how you reason, your reasoning is going to be full of holes.
So again you can't just assume that 1B is some special limit and thus can't be used as an argument to say that Dogtooth = Jack.
I never said that all of the Calamities have to be of the exact level. The point was that we don't know anything about them and that because we only have Dogtooth as a reference, you can't just make him equal to Jack. And once more: context. Why do you keep bringing the WB pirates up? They were used completely different in the story, their crew was organized in a different way and we don't even know most of their bounties.
I was hypothesizing, yes. Something that I made very clear. It's a fact that it's a common trope that when a group of powerful characters gets introduced in different moments, the strongest is saved for last. I never said anything about first mates purposely here as that's asking for pointless complications. It's also a fact that Oda has applied this trope multiple times. It's subjective, but still very well defendable to say that it's incredibly odd to have such a character being manhandled that early. So concluding from that (on top of some other stuff I mentioned) that Jack is not the strongest is a rational and justifiable hypothesis. I never said nor portrayed that my conclusion is a fact, but my reasoning is very well solid here, unlike yours which is contradicting and flawed.
Once more you can't just assume that 1B is some official limit that's in place here that says people of 1B are in a different dimension than people of 999M. Again if that was correct than Dogtooth can not be equal to Jack as his bounty is higher. You just make highly convenient, but baseless assumptions just to cover up the contradiction in your own reasoning. That's like making rules up that benefit you while playing a game.
Logically if you beat a 1B bounty, it's to be expected that your bounty would surpass that bounty of the one beat. Luffy however didn't just receive that bounty for beating Dogtooth, he received it for a multitude of factors: Jinbei joining, having connections with the Vinsmokes, beating Cracker, attempting to kill BM etc. What's more Luffy is an exception as his bounty made ridiculously huge jumps in a short timespan, while normally it's something that's increased over time gradually and BB is also not a very good example here as he's likewise a special character. Again context.
And I never said Dogtooth and Smoothie are equal, that's a faulty assumption again you made which is most likely the result of a flaw I pointed out in your reasoning which you tried to ignore.
In fact at one point Jinbei said that after 500M it becomes difficult to increase your bounty. So instead of seeing 1B as a starting point, it's much more reasonable to assume it's an ending point similar to 500M. Namely that from the moment 1B is reached, it becomes excessively harder to increase it.
I'm not forgetting anything here. I even clearly placed a number on it: around 1.1B. A personal estimation which again I don't claim to be a fact, but one that, unlike everything you say, has very well ground to stand on. Where you got this 10B and 100B is beyond me, but it does show -again- your inability to understand context.
I'm going to drop another one of my ideas here. Not saying this is a fact, but I would be hugely surprised if, after the end of this arc, not at least one Yonkou got beaten in large by the Strawhats. That would make Luffy a real emperor and not that pseudo-emperor thingy you try to pass off as a fact and do you think his bounty is going to stay at 1.5B then? This is if the WG would still find the need to place a bounty on his head. And considering you like to keep going on about this special 1B limit and how it's for First Mates, wouldn't it make all the sense in the world that Luffy would have people under him that have exceeded that limit? After all Dogtooth and Jack are under a Yonkou and it would be rather embarrassing if Luffy is an emperor, but all the Strawhats are under 500M. And didn't you just establish yourself that Luffy gained his bounty by beating a 1B bounty? So wouldn't it make all the sense in the world that certain Strawhats will cross the 1B threshold by beating 1B bounty characters? Isn't it so that it doesn't matter if a Strawhat would gain a bounty even higher than Luffy's current one if Luffy's own bounty would be increased at the same time, something that has already happened before?
If you ask irrelevant and nonsense questions, I'm really not going to bother with them.
TL; DR: I'm not mistaking you for anyone. The fact that you in an attempt to invalidate my ideas, invalidated your own and strengthened mine, confirms what I explained before. You don't seem to understand the value of context at all and that you just admitted you always take text literally is the same as admitting that. And if you don't understand context, everything you say becomes completely useless. That's how important it is.
What you are doing is like trying to make a puzzle by adding pieces of completely different puzzles, creating a nonsensical, mismatched compilation that represents nothing, but pretend it's the original puzzle. That's not how it works.
