The God of Destruction

[ANiMUS]

ya that would be unbelievable indeed but like you said, they were both connected, so it might be possible that they have a link.

Regarding your last paragraph, It's very interesting to see it from this perspective haha. They manipulated the hate inside Madara like madara tried to do with obito haha and instead of trying to bring peace like what they wanted, it shall bring destruction.

A little off topic, I always found it kind of weird though that Zetsu were supposed to be Hashirama clones, but the only successful Zetsus looked nothing like him.

It could be that since Hashi cells r so close to the Shinjuu (both tree related) Hashi cells simply provided a proper medium in order to create Kaguya's servants.

 

[Angelic.]

your welcome. this is definatly getting interesting. perhaps bz is just extracting something from madara and it goes to spiral for a new fruit? kaguya could come out if it

 

[conradoserpa]

Makes perfect sense. It all fits in Narutoverse

 

[Zealous Sparks]

No. I don't think that SZ was loyal to Madara at all so I don't think that would happen. I believe it will be along the lines of regaining power and bringing it back to the shinju/jubi. Now that there are no more distractions really, and that madara has all this power, I think he has a plan. What do you think?

As of now there is no full Shinju, only the Shin Jukai Koutan branches. Perhaps SZ will attempt to tap into the chakra that is being drained from the people in IT through the branches. According to your belief, he might in a way become the fruit due to the absorption of the chakra (note that the fruit is shown with spirals when Madara first talked about it) or try to give that chakra back to the Juubi/Shinju before Kaguya/Madara get it.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

A little off topic, I always found it kind of weird though that Zetsu were supposed to be Hashirama clones, but the only successful Zetsus looked nothing like him.

It could be that since Hashi cells r so close to the Shinjuu (both tree related) Hashi cells simply provided a proper medium in order to create Kaguya's servants.

Ya could be lol. There for sure look nothing like hashirama but I think that like you said it was a medium to bring them to life. I think SZ would still have existed and some of the regular zetsus also but I think hashi cell's helped mass produce them.

 

[ANiMUS]

As of now there is no full Shinju, only the Shin Jukai Koutan branches. Perhaps SZ will attempt to tap into the chakra that is being drained from the people in IT through the branches. According to your belief, he might in a way become the fruit due to the absorption of the chakra (note that the fruit is shown with spirals when Madara first talked about it) or try to give that chakra back to the Juubi/Shinju before Kaguya/Madara get it.

I like that idea of SZ tapping into the drained chakra. He was the one with the cord attached to the Mazou when introduced. Looking at his design I could sooner see SZ using the gathered chakra to become the next Shinjuu seeing how the Shinjuu tree looks twisted. We have seen the fruit though and he currently bears no resemblance.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

your welcome. this is definatly getting interesting. perhaps bz is just extracting something from madara and it goes to spiral for a new fruit? kaguya could come out if it

Ya this is getting interesting lol. I Think that BZ, being Kaguya's will, has different intentions though. I think Kaguya wants the power back and that is what BZ is trying to do and I think the shinju wants the power back and that is what SZ is trying to do. Or something along those lines lol

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

A little off topic, I always found it kind of weird though that Zetsu were supposed to be Hashirama clones, but the only successful Zetsus looked nothing like him.

It could be that since Hashi cells r so close to the Shinjuu (both tree related) Hashi cells simply provided a proper medium in order to create Kaguya's servants.

Madara did say that Zetsu are just inferior clones of Hashirama,they're only used for spying and gathering info.SZ seems to be the exception though.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

As of now there is no full Shinju, only the Shin Jukai Koutan branches. Perhaps SZ will attempt to tap into the chakra that is being drained from the people in IT through the branches. According to your belief, he might in a way become the fruit due to the absorption of the chakra (note that the fruit is shown with spirals when Madara first talked about it) or try to give that chakra back to the Juubi/Shinju before Kaguya/Madara get it.

Ya you have a point sparks. Maybe that's why he waited and said that after IT was activated. Also I agree with what you said and I added a pic of the fruit in the op thanks to obikage

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I like that idea of SZ tapping into the drained chakra. He was the one with the cord attached to the Mazou when introduced. Looking at his design I could sooner see SZ using the gathered chakra to become the next Shinjuu seeing how the Shinjuu tree looks twisted. We have seen the fruit though and he currently bears no resemblance.

Interesting... Going back to the thread I made about the origin of chakra, someone did say that the fruit might be like a seed for the next shinju and maybe that will happen.( I forgot who said that, was it you lol?) Again thanks for your insight shiro

 

[ANiMUS]

Madara did say that Zetsu are just inferior clones of Hashirama,they're only used for spying and gathering info.SZ seems to be the exception though.

I am aware of that. If u look at the picture of the Zetsu tree SZ wasn't the only one that looked like he did, there were others (though incomplete) and he called them failures because the didn't turn out as he wanted, though there were some that's appearance was similar to Hashirama

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Makes perfect sense. It all fits in Narutoverse

Thanks bro!

 

[ANiMUS]

Interesting... Going back to the thread I made about the origin of chakra, someone did say that the fruit might be like a seed for the next shinju and maybe that will happen.( I forgot who said that, was it you lol?) Again thanks for your insight shiro

Yeah, that was mine, and I should thank u I enjoy threads like these

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Yeah, that was mine, and I should thank u I enjoy threads like these

Hahaha for some reason I knew that was you lol. Like I said I love hearing what you have to say. And you don't have to thank me lol, it's the purpose of the forum to have discussions like this=D

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I own that game, one of my favs! I knew something felt familiar to me.

I believe SZ is significant to the plot and revealing him recently wasn't just for shock value. Everything Kishimoto does is for a reason, and when people said he probably forgot about Yamato, I knew it actually meant he would have a larger role soon enough.

Haha nice, I actually never played it, never owned a ps1.

I believe so to btw. What do you think he will do tho?

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

A) It is when spiral zetsu kinda took over obito that this happenned. There is something special about spiral zetsu because even though regular zetsus originate from the same thing, that never happened with them.

B) We did hear him say this in chapter 677:

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Now I need your help to makes sense out of this.=D

C) What do you think about this? Could it be that SZ is the physical embodiment of the fruit? Could it be that SZ/jubi are the final villain and not kaguya?

A)Spiral Zetsu offered his help to Obito (Cuz he was weak at that moment), but Obito had control in that situation (He only used the body of SZ)

B)In my opinion : The reason he said 'I'm finished here' becuz he was controlling Yamato to enhance his powers. After the Infinite Tsukuyomi is casted (Yamato gets caught in it), so there was no need for SZ to control Yamato

C)Cannot clarify about SZ being the physical embodiment of 'Holy Fruit' - It can be a possibility (He has an important role to play i guess). I personally think Kaguya being the final villain would make more sense, since 'She was the first one to introduce chakra to humans' and the curse started from that act as well

Really good read and keep up the good work !!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Swirly discarded Yamato because he has a bigger fish to catch.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Another thing which I find interesting about Spiral Zetsu is his ability to use all 5 elemental natures. We have only seen Hashirama ever use Mokuton (though it is assumed that he can use water and earth separately) and Yamato himself only has access to the same. So far the only thing that gives access to all 5 chakra natures is the Rinnegan, possibly the Six Paths Senjutsu/Juubi Jin, and Hirzuen of course . So where does Spiral Zetsu get his access to the other 3 natures (wind, lightning, and fire)? Is it due to a more direct influence by the Mazou during his specific creation? Could this be showing that Spiral Zetsu has a deeper connection to the Shinju?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

A)Spiral Zetsu offered his help to Obito (Cuz he was weak at that moment), but Obito had control in that situation (He only used the body of SZ)

B)In my opinion : The reason he said 'I'm finished here' becuz he was controlling Yamato to enhance his powers. After the Infinite Tsukuyomi is casted (Yamato gets caught in it), so there was no need for SZ to control Yamato

C)Cannot clarify about SZ being the physical embodiment of 'Holy Fruit' - It can be a possibility (He has an important role to play i guess). I personally think Kaguya being the final villain would make more sense, since 'She was the first one to introduce chakra to humans' and the curse started from that act as well

Really good read and keep up the good work !!

Thanks for contributing!

a) For some reason I think that similar to how naruto and kurama switch, and yes I know naruto is a jin, but I think Obito kinda let SZ take over in a similar fashion.

b) It's still doen't change the fact that he has a plan haha

c) I think there will be a struggle of power between the two. But yes Kaguya will be an enemy for sasuke and naruto the way she was for hagoromo and his brother.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Swirly discarded Yamato because he has a bigger fish to catch.

Hahaha well said, Who is this bigger fish you speaking of tho?