Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

[Chibi Itachi]

Prove that his chakra comes back, where is it ever stated. The chakra was sealed by RDS.

Where's is it ever stated Kurama isn't the strongest Biju ? Where did it stated Kurama is weak without Naruto? That's right. Show me pictures and fact's.

 

[Cascade]

you shoulda kept reading and someone found proof of kurama's chakra coming back.

also i made the suggestion that he wasnt the most powerful and gave examples and an explanation to how, i didnt include panels, but i made reference to the manga, read the OP silly.

 

[Jonesy161]

The tails mean the order of their strength but it doesn't mean Kurama is exactly 9x stronger then Shukaku... For all we know, he could be upwards to like 100x or 1000x stronger, who knows exactly. He also deflected a handful of TBB and countered another handful with a single shot from himself. I think it's safe to say Kurama is still more powerful then all the tailed beasts. Before, he might have been able to take on all 8 easily, but I'd say he can now take on all 8 with difficulty. Maybe not even all 8, just 6-7.

 

[JayHyuuga]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

edit: Everyone is comparing Kurama's TBB to the other tailed beasts, but has anyone thought that the other beasts werent using their full power because Tobi couldn't control all of the beasts normally anyway? It would make sense to think that if he cant control them in full beast mode then he wouldn't allow them to use overpowered TBB that he cant fully control.

Minato sealed half of the nine tails chakra yes this is true.. he sealed half inside naruto and the other half was with the key to the seal that was inside jyrai ( however you spell it ) before he was killed.. I think that when naruto used the key to the seal it returned the nine tails chakra to normal... let me know what ya think..

 

[Damnit1]

cool lol

 

[2dead42]

Why are you guys having this discussion Kurama is the strongest on half power or not
--> the more tails the stronger the beast, its not hard to count to 9

 

[Cascade]

Why are you guys having this discussion Kurama is the strongest on half power or not
--> the more tails the stronger the beast, its not hard to count to 9

Justify it mathematically - exactly how theyve said it in the manga.

if you can find a single panel in the manga that does the math for the tails, ie.
states that its 1^1 2^2 3^3 etc, or 1+2+4+5+6+7+8 = 9
or ANY of that, i will +rep you.

 

[Multiply]

Lol why is this still going on, it's been proven that kurama is the strongest. He basically solo'd 5 Tbb(Naruto's chakra doesn't even get near to a bijuu's chakra). Tbh, 8 tails kept begging kurama to join the fight, why would he do that, if he's anywhere near as strong as kurama is, he'd be able to solo them(along with B). But no, he begged kurama to join the fight, when he does, where is the hachibi? Sitting on the sidelines with Guy and Kakashi . The argument that kurama isn't the strongest is illogical. If he wasn't the strongest half or full power, how can he rebound 5 tbb. Let's use an example, Kurama's chakra is clearly alot stronger. Let's say kurama's power is at 100%, for him to have rebounded the 5 tbb the other 5 tailed beast chakra would each be equal to 20% of kurama's strength. Using that logic Kurama's chakra would be about 5x stronger than the other tailed beast. :shrug:
*Bolded is hypothetical

 

[dtsleo]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

edit: Everyone is comparing Kurama's TBB to the other tailed beasts, but has anyone thought that the other beasts werent using their full power because Tobi couldn't control all of the beasts normally anyway? It would make sense to think that if he cant control them in full beast mode then he wouldn't allow them to use overpowered TBB that he cant fully control.

There is nothing wrong with the logic of your argument, but you made one very big assumption that may not be true. Your argument is based on the idea that there is a linear increase in power with each tail. in other words, your argument assumes that say each tail has a strength of 10 ninja (or whatever unit of measurement you want to use). That means that the 9 tails would have as much power as 90 ninja, but as you say his power was cut in half by the 4th. so according to your hypothesis, his reduced power would be equal to 45 ninjas.

but what if kurama's power is like 200 ninja? and the hachibi is only as strong as 100 ninja? then they would have equal power even after the 4th pulled out half of kurama's chakra.

at the end of the day, i agree it's a combination of beast and jinjuricki that determines overall strength. however, i still think that makes naruto the strongest.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

you're improperly using the word technically. Technically he is the most powerful because he has the most chakra.

In practice you could say that he is not because he is unwilling to share his chakra in a productive way. The seven tail would be the most helpful because he wants to bond with his jinchuuriki.

 

[Amb130]

Just because half of Kurama's chakra was sealed doesn't mean it couldn't regenerate. It is just chakra, after all.

 

[Multiply]

Just because half of Kurama's chakra was sealed doesn't mean it couldn't regenerate. It is just chakra, after all.

This

 

[Matt2Fatt]

Just a quick note on this particular topic, you keep refering to it as Kurama having half of his chakra sealed within the Death Reaper Sealing Jutsu. You may need to expend on this particular notion as it was not just half his chakra, it was speifically his Yin chakra that was sealed. What this means essentially I can't explain but if the balance of power is universal then such a thing "technically" is impossible as both Yin and Yang are a pair and can't be truly divided.

 

[NismoRI]

Just because half of Kurama's chakra was sealed doesn't mean it couldn't regenerate. It is just chakra, after all.

Agreed xd

 

[dakiidskullz]

Just.......Stfu!

 

[Cascade]

Just.......Stfu!

why dont u, mr 52 posts.

Dont just flame, offer something constructive, stop posting useless stuff to get ur post count up.

 

[MadaraIsGod]

Probably reading something else.
I mean is the part in the manga where BM naruto pawning 5 other bijuu's not enough proof. Yes you may make slight sence logically, but it's naruto logic .

I Think Kishi Is Over Doing Naruto's Power Either 9 Tails Has ALOT Of Chakura Or Naruto Is Getting More And More Over Rated. Imo Its Both Lol

^^^^^ this. i think this post should be closed after ^^^this lol...no need for discussion. +rep

Yeah Theres No Point After That Comment For This Discusion To Continue

Wait didn't Kurama just solo 5 tailed beast or was that another manga I was reading not sure....

Ikr

 

[777skills]

stoichiometry

 

[Simplified]

No physical body?

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Not the strongest?

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It's hard to believe that Kurama regenerated his Yin chakra. If he did... he should have grown in size as well.

You can see here that he dwarfs those houses.

Kurama(100%):

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Here... you can see that Kurama looks the same as when Minato took his Yin chakra.

Kurama(50%):

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This is after Minato took his Yin chakra.

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This is Kurama(50%) vs. Naruto. You can see that he looks the same as when Minato sealed him.

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You say that Kurama doesn't have a physical body, but he did have one. But now that he's sealed within Naruto, he doesn't have one. When Kurama was first shown in the series, you could see that he did have a body. Also, the manga has stated that the more tails a Bijuu has the stronger it is, but it has also been stated that tails doesn't equal to strength; how are we supposed to take those words as fact when Kurama proved to be stronger or equal to five Bijuu?

Some theories are worth reading into, but this one does not interest me... at all.

This.

 

[Pendulum1337]

Valid argument. Well even though half of Kuramas chakra was sealed. I rate that he regenerated what he lost over time. I don't see why that isn't possible.

As a ninja builds up his chakra as he become sstronger. So unless the tailed beasts have some set limit of chakra set from the start i dont see why they cant continue evolving and become stronger in amount of chakra they have.