Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

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Assuming the ninetails' chakra is still halved (which I dont necessarily believe) then I would agree that he is no longer the "strongest" in the sense of power and chakra alone. Though I wouldn't rank him nearly as low as the OP has him. I would think he is somewhere around seventails, maybe weaker or stronger but around that range.
 

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You're going about this wrong.

Imagine a 1L bottle of water. (Kurama)

Now imagine pouring out half (Minato using RDS)

Seeing as all beings with chakra regenerate it, Kurama wouldn't be at half strength forever.


Just like Orochimaru, if RDS seals your soul, it doesn't make sense that he would be able to switch bodies and be able to use his arms again. Because his actual soul would be damaged. But that isn't the case.
You cant compare it to Oro because 9 tails didnt have a soul, just chakra, thats why kurama didnt just lose use of his arms, he lost his size.
Additionally, the metaphor i used was cutting the bottle in half - would put a cap on the amount of chakra to be regained.

if you have a 1L bottle of water, it holds 1L,
cut it in half, now you have a 500ml bottle
It can no longer hold 1L.
Thats how i saw it ^ even if it was wrong.

PURE WIN!

Let this be a lesson to everyone. If your going to make a point. Always start with the word TECHNICALLY. Then! Don't even give people a break. Have your next words be, AS WE ALL KNOW. It won't matter what comes next. Take note people. Take note.
What are you on?
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For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------


What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

edit: Everyone is comparing Kurama's TBB to the other tailed beasts, but has anyone thought that the other beasts werent using their full power because Tobi couldn't control all of the beasts normally anyway? It would make sense to think that if he cant control them in full beast mode then he wouldn't allow them to use overpowered TBB that he cant fully control.
i may be wrong about this but didnt the akatsuki say they had to capture the nine tails last because if they sealed him in the gedo before all the other tailed beast were in there the balance of power would be off (nagato himself couldnt believe how powerful the nine tails was when he fought naruto). the eight tails made a comment once that he had spent all of his chakra in their fight against kisame if he used all of his chakra then he wouldnt be able to fight in the war unless he could regain it just like a shinobi. so the nine tails has to be able to gain back his own chakra and hes had over a decade to do it.
 

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Most ninja's moves in naruto are chakra based are you saying that a ninja's chakra pool is what ultimately determines his strength? I don't think so because that would mean naruto before sage mode is better then kakashi which is surely not true. Just because a move is chakra based doesn't mean the amount of chakra you have determines the strength of the moves you use.

If what you said was true rasengan = rasenshuriken when thats not true
In the case of the Tailed Beasts all of their attacks are made of pure Chakra so naturally the one that can has the most chakra and makes the biggest TBBs is the strongest, which is the nine-tails.
 

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In my opinion, kurama has regained his full chakra after a very long period of being idle inside naruto. Maybe another reason why minato has to seal or cut the 9 tails chakra to half was it might be too much for a baby naruto to handle the full strength 9 tails and be sealed inside him(baby naruto). If we base the strength of tailed beasts without a host, I guess 9 tails is the strongest. And with a host, as we can see KM naruto is pretty stronger than hachibi and B.
 

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i may be wrong about this but didnt the akatsuki say they had to capture the nine tails last because if they sealed him in the gedo before all the other tailed beast were in there the balance of power would be off (nagato himself couldnt believe how powerful the nine tails was when he fought naruto). the eight tails made a comment once that he had spent all of his chakra in their fight against kisame if he used all of his chakra then he wouldnt be able to fight in the war unless he could regain it just like a shinobi. so the nine tails has to be able to gain back his own chakra and hes had over a decade to do it.
Well, Kurama (as i found out through this thread) does regain his chakra over time.

But the difference between USING chakra through jutsu, and having chakra SEALED made the difference for me
 
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The sealing of partial souls with RDS obviously leaves residual consequences (oro's arms for example). However, being that the entire soul wasn't taken, it is possible to overcome those consequences. Now, being that half of Kurama's chakra was taken (and people are saying he doesn't have a soul), the residual consequences should still be similar. However, being that it was just chakra taken instead of a fragment of one's soul, the regeneration process of chakra should logically be less difficult to achieve than the regaining of Oro's partial soul.

In the Blood Prison (I know it's a movie, just using it to make a point), there was a seal that almost completely limited chakra in the bodies of shinobi. However, when their chakras were sealed, their max chakra levels did not change, only the ability to use their chakra to it's fullest extent. So, just because chakra is sealed, does not mean it does not exist necessarily, it just means it is unavailable to the sealed person. My point is that Kurama's Chakra pool has not been sealed to this degree due to the fact that the seal does not inhabit Kurama's body. There has never been another time that Kurama lost half chakra in an instant, so there is really no reason to believe that shrinking is out of the ordinary. Maybe that's just what happens when a tailed beast loses that much chakra in an instant, but the truth is nobody knows for sure. However, since Kurama doesn't seem to be weaker at this point in the manga, and because there is no seal on Kurama's person, I don't believe that Kurama's chakra pool has ever really been sealed. Yes, half of the Kurama's chakra was sealed, but the chakra pool maximum limit is a completely other matter and shouldn't have been affected imo.
 
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lol right after naruto + kurama pwnd 5 tailed beasts, Hachibi was amazed by nine-tails power! even though he can see he's co-op with naruto , doesnt something like this coming from hachibi count ? ( )
 
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