Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

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Are you taking what habachi said to be true because he is a tailed beast and should know about power? If so, why dont you take what kyuubi to be true becuase he is also a tailed beast. Also if you notice what kyuubi stated. He believes that Habachi can take on all of the tailed beast becuase he is the second stongest. so the majority of the power from the juubi went to the habachi and 9 tailed fox. Based on what Kyuubi said 8>7+6+5+4+3+2+1. So Even at half stregnth the Kyuubi would be stronger than ALL other tailed beast at the same time becuase based off what kyuubi said 9>8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1.

But the Kyuubi must have regenerated its chakra other wise it would not be good enough to recreate the juubi. For the juubi to be recreated it will more than likely need ALL of its former power if the nine tailed who was said to have most of the chakra had half of its chakra seal then techniquely half of the juubi chakra is sealed so it cannot be brought back to life. So based of reasoning and logic if madara is trying to bring back the juubi and he knows that the foxs chakra was sealed then it must still be possible recreate juubi meaning that either juubi doesnt need 100% of its chakra to be reformed OR the kyuubi regenerated its sealed chakra. IF number 1 is right and juubi doesnt need 100% of it chakra then, Since the kyuubi stated that the later deamon is able to beat all demons before it then the kyubi must have atlease 51% of the chakra/stregnth of the juubi (if he had less the 50.1% of its chakra/ stregnth then his theory is wrong becuase he would match all other demons). IF half of his chakra was sealed and gone forever the juubi would be recreated with 74.5% of its original chakra which would basically be like the kyuubi, habachi and 7 tialed demon alone. So i doubt the first option is viable, so the second option must be true the kyuubi regenerated its chakra.

each demon will equal slightly greater than half of the remianing chakra
9- 51%
8- 24.6%
7- 12.26%
6- 6.126%
5- 3.066%
4- 1.532%
3- 0.767%
2- 0.384%
1- 0.265%

since each succeeding tail must be able to have more chakra then all other proceeding tails as stated by kyuubi

The great factor in proving whether or no the nine tails power regenerated is in whether or not the jubbi will need ALL of its power to be created or just some of its power and if it doesnt need all does it just need a majority and if that is true and all the tailed beast are equal the shikaku is the strongest off rip. shikaku wont need to level up from 1-*-** but goes straight to bijuu mode which is odd. So eithe shikaku is the strongest and kurama is the weakest (based on chakra alone) or urama is the strongest and shikau is the weakest but it can only be one of those two.
 

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Dude, even though Kurama's chakra has been halved by the RDS, Kurama is still supposed to be the CLOSEST in power to the Ten Tails. The Kyuubi is so much stronger than the other tailed beasts that even when its power was halved, in Bijuu mode Naruto still CREAMED the other Tailed Beasts! And you mentioned that it was mainly the power of the combined forces of the Jinchuuriki and the Bijuu, but what you may not know is that Kurama ALSO joins forces with Naruto! SO is it not pretty much the same as in the case of Bee and the Hachibi? I know that Bee's and the Hachibi's teamwork is BETTER, but after teamwork is taken into consideration, POWER comes next, which Kurama has MORE of.
 

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We have to keep in mind that there is no general increments as to HOW much stronger Kurama was compared to the other tailed beasts.

For all we know, Kurama had half of the power that the ten tails had. Then the others could have had even smaller increments. Kurama may have gotten the majority of the strength by a larger increment than what you are assuming. We don't know how strong the ten-tails was. It could be plausible that fusing them together gives them even more strength than they all would have if you just combined them.

Sort of like fusion in DBZ. Goku and Vegeta made Vegito, but they gained additional power because they were originally rivals.
 

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What i thnk is that if we only consider the sole power of the bijuu nt taking in consideration the jinjuriki, then 9 tails is the strongest. however what u tell is also a point.
also its true that minato sealed half of the 9tails chakra inside naruto fr the time being so that baby naruto could control its massive chakra. bt we all know that the extinguished chakra also replenishes just like our physical energy. in 16 yrs the 9tails had regained its original chakra nd its growth. that may be a reason why the 4th's seal was weakening.
so 9tails is the strongest nd that is why it is so popular nd reputed nd feared nd being a subject of jealosy fr the other bijuus.
also kishi had to give the strongest bijuu to the main character-naruto(strong with strong).
nd i also thnk the theory of the more no. of tails the stronger is right.
 

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?nah we've got plenty of character quotes and manga proof while all you have in theories there's no evidence supporting what you're saying so I'll go with you're wrong.
 

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The theory of more no. Of tails the stronger the bijuu is correct
while i think kurama might hv regained his remaining chakra... Because chakra is just a form of energy...
 

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I think chakra regenerates. Isn't it what chakra systems do? If not then how do shinobi regain chakra after fights? I think Kurama's chakra was halved so he could be sealed into a new born then as Naruto grew so did Kurama's chakra. So in my head 9> 1-8
 

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Yes kurama's chakra regenerates. Yes kurama is the strongest tailed beast. Yes kurama solo'd 5 other tbb. Yes kurama choked out 5 other tailed beast. This thread is done :rolleyes:
 

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1 tail = 1 power
2 tails = 1.5 power
3 tails = 2 power
4 tails = 2.6 power
5 tails = 3.1 power
6 tails = 3.6 power
7 tails = 4.1 power
8 tails = 6.8 power

Combined power of 1st through 8th beast = 25.2 power

9 tails = 50.4 power

9 tails power after 1/2 sealed by Minato = 25.2 power

SUMMARY: After the loss of half his chakra, Kurama is still more powerful than each individual, and equally powerful as the other 8 combined. This is why the ten tails, if ever recreated, would have only 75% of its original power.

CONCLUSION: Kurama's host is the Hidden Leaf's Master Sage Uzumaki Naruto, who possesses a powerful lifeforce, massive chakra, and unparalleled Jutsu.

To fight against the pair of them is folly.
 
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1 tail = 1 power
2 tails = 1.5 power
3 tails = 2 power
4 tails = 2.6 power
5 tails = 3.1 power
6 tails = 3.6 power
7 tails = 4.1 power
8 tails = 6.8 power

Combined power of 1st through 8th beast = 25.2 power

9 tails = 50.4 power

9 tails power after 1/2 sealed by Minato = 25.2 power

SUMMARY: After the loss of half his chakra, Kurama is still more powerful than each individual, and equally powerful as the other 8 combined. This is why the ten tails, if ever recreated, would have only 75% of its original power.

CONCLUSION: Kurama's host is the Hidden Leaf's Master Sage Uzumaki Naruto, who possesses a powerful lifeforce, massive chakra, and unparalleled Jutsu.

To fight against the pair of them is folly.
Where did you get these numbers? Half of Kurama's chakra was sealed by Minato for the sole reason to seal it inside Naruto. He couldn't seal the whole thing inside Naruto as he was just a baby. Kurama's power would rebuild itself after eating up Naruto's chakra . That's why he sealed some of his own chakra to talk to Naruto if he ever got to the eigth tail. He also put Kushina's chakra in him to help him fight off Kurama, as she could use those chains to bind him. Please tell me more about these numbers, I don't understand them.
 

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Where did you get these numbers? Half of Kurama's chakra was sealed by Minato for the sole reason to seal it inside Naruto. He couldn't seal the whole thing inside Naruto as he was just a baby. Kurama's power would rebuild itself after eating up Naruto's chakra . That's why he sealed some of his own chakra to talk to Naruto if he ever got to the eigth tail. He also put Kushina's chakra in him to help him fight off Kurama, as she could use those chains to bind him. Please tell me more about these numbers, I don't understand them.
Wut.. are you serious? I made them up. It's Math no Jutsu.

Which is like Plot no Jutsu; it's not supposed to make mathematical sense,, which is what the OP implied ("Kurama got his chakra divided by 2") -- Kurama and Naruto are the strongest because they are Kurama and Naruto. This should be obvious to everyone, regardless of logical or mathematical reasoning.
 

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For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------


What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

edit: Everyone is comparing Kurama's TBB to the other tailed beasts, but has anyone thought that the other beasts werent using their full power because Tobi couldn't control all of the beasts normally anyway? It would make sense to think that if he cant control them in full beast mode then he wouldn't allow them to use overpowered TBB that he cant fully control.
another blaze release fan boy:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
 

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Now correct me if I am wrong here. If someone uses their Charka they get to regenerate it back after sometime right? Yes I know half of Kurama Charka was seal. But they never said it never got regenerated over time. That like saying when Naruto take Charka from Kurama to turn into the flame version that Kurama Charka would not come back.
The argument I see is that the 4th seal half of Kurama Charka but that does not mean he does not gain it back. I think as naruto grow and become stronger so does the Charka of Kurama. Also for what I gather about the 4th RDS that in order to uses it the soul of the user/users it forever gone. But does Charka is seal forever? Or does it mean it as energy if change from 1 form to another.
As an asian my understand that Charka or Ki in nature is always around us and that change from 1 form to another. Like someone eating a fruit they get energy that way but when they uses it then later that energy is somehow transform back into the earth.
 

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1 tail = 1 power
2 tails = 1.5 power
3 tails = 2 power
4 tails = 2.6 power
5 tails = 3.1 power
6 tails = 3.6 power
7 tails = 4.1 power
8 tails = 6.8 power

Combined power of 1st through 8th beast = 25.2 power

9 tails = 50.4 power

9 tails power after 1/2 sealed by Minato = 25.2 power

SUMMARY: After the loss of half his chakra, Kurama is still more powerful than each individual, and equally powerful as the other 8 combined. This is why the ten tails, if ever recreated, would have only 75% of its original power.

CONCLUSION: Kurama's host is the Hidden Leaf's Master Sage Uzumaki Naruto, who possesses a powerful lifeforce, massive chakra, and unparalleled Jutsu.

To fight against the pair of them is folly.
This Math No Jutsu is wrong. How can the power is 50.4 for Kurama and only 6.8 for Hachibi. So much gap. :)
 
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