Tailed beast sage mode is equal to EMS?

[Draphsin]

Wrong again

How on earth is anything I said wrong? Smh...

Kcm naruto is can be solo'd by genjutsu, kcm naruto isn't a perfect jin only bm naruto was so kcm loses to genjutsu.

Irrelevant, naruto is too fast to be caught in a genjutsu, then we have clones to work as diversions & if naruto keeps his distance then genjutsu becomes a non-factor.

Also naruto at that time didn't know shit about amaterasu or susano he wouldn't know to avoid enton clad ribcage

Yet sasuke is somehow magically aware of naruto's speed & his new S-rank fuuton jutsu? Naruto always uses clones, so any naruto that touches sasuke's ribcage will be a clone & thus will give naruto insight on the ability. Then there's chakra arms, which ensure that ama doesn't touch him in the end.

and that's only if sasuke doesn't end it with genjutsu.

Above, no speed to even land a glance, let alone focus a genjutsu before he gets blitzed.

Also using chakra arms to strike directly means the chakra arms get caught in enton and that means naruto has to shed his chakra arms thus shedding his chakra to some degree.

Irrelevant, naruto's chakra capacity is leages above sasuke's so he doesn't have to worry about losing a small amount. Now MS sasuke on the other hand not only suffers significant chakra loss from using ama but since this is MS sasuke he sustains eye strain every time.

Also ms sasuke's no leg susano can take frs easily and can shoot enton arrows and enton megatama.

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in terms of power. One FRS is ripping any incomplete susanoo apart, let alone multiple ones.

Also ms sasuke isn't slow he's pretty fast he won't get caught by a long range jutsu that he can see coming.

He got blitzed by ay, naruto outsped ay. Therefore naruto is perfectly capable of blitzing this sasuke. Then we have the fact that naruto has clones who can use FRS from multiple directions.

Also he has a bird summon to avoid frs..

Unless he's in the air the bird will be summoned on the ground, naruto or one of his clones easily blitzes before that happens. Or naruto can use his summon to help him close the gap & reach sasuke if need be.

But in any case sasuke can't do anything on his bird other than spam ama & susanoo arrows, which naruto can simply dodge until sasuke's too blind & drained to fight back anymore.

Assuming his ms legless susano isn't enough is just a factless opinion.

Lol, so according to you danzo's fuuton jutsu has more cutting power than FRS, good to know.

Just the susano skeleton tanked gaara's jutsu, darui, temari and kankuro combined jutsus with neg diff

All fodder in the face of FRS.

And this is all ifsasuke doesn't end it with genjutsu or suppress the kyuubi chakra thus reverting naruto back to base.

Naruto blitzes before he can attempt any of this, or is sasuke magically faster than V2 ay now too? Please, there's a thing called scaling.

 

[Da Best Ever]

To be honest, there's no realistic measure by which Sasuke can equate to Naruto + Kyubi, it basically allows Naruto to reach his prime chakra growth a decade in advance via Hashirama's statement. They are equal on terms of being Ashura and Indra's incarnations, the Kyubi is separate and pushes Naruto far beyond that.[/QUOTE

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Fail



All versions of nature below bm can be easily beaten at the conversation stage of the fight by respective sasuke comparisons.

Sm nature loses to 3 tomoe cm sasuke via genjutsu...we all know nature likes to talk at the beginning of every fight especially with sasuke

Kcm nature loses to 3 tomoe cm sasuke or ms sasuke due to genjutsu and or kyuubi chakra suppression thus reverting nature back to his base in which he gets negged

Only bm naruto and bsm naruto can avoid genjutsu or kyuubi chakra suppression and by that point ms sasuke can lose to naruto at high diff do to running low on chakra but ems sasuke>bm naruto but bsm naruto>ems sasuke but cm ems sasuke=bsm naruto

 

[solo king]

What did naruto even do with BSM? All I remember is the god tree grabbing him

 

[Im Still Robin]

sooo Sage mode = regular sharingan? okay....

Pretty much dude, sasuke had no eyes and yes he could still use susanoo, but it isn't really an MS or EMS thing.

You can use susanoo without eyes which means he could still use susanoo with no sharingan at all.

So Naruto was afraid to fight sasuke. He admitted he wasn't ready. SM = 3 tomoe .. its basically the same thing being able to sense and predict danger or w.e

 

[Lariatoo]

IMO
War Arc SM = MS
KCM = Early stages EMS
BM = Full EMS (With PS)
BMS = Curse Mode EMS
RSM = Rinnegan

 

[Da Best Ever]

Fail again Draphsin

It took you damn near 45 mins to come up with this.

Lmao

Its a manga fact naruto talks before all fights and its manga fact every time before sasuke and naruto fight naruto tries to talk and reason with sasuke so there will be no blitzing nor is it irrelevant.

Genjutsu or kyuubi chakra suppression solos


The rest of your post is irrelevant to the outcome

Chakra arms gets sliced by enton

Its mere speculation that frs can get through a incomplete susano with a shield. You havd no proof that backsup your claim.


No speed blitz because as soon as they meet up naruto talks to reason with sasuke this is a manga fact and in that time genjutsu gg or kyuubi chakra suppression gg.

Also show a scan of someone being in a genjutsu and then moving out of range to break it...don't worry I'll wait for nothingness.

 

[Dragon Master]

BSM = EMS + Senjutsu/Curse Mark Susano'o

 

[Styles]

IMO
War Arc SM = MS
KCM = Early stages EMS
BM = Full EMS (With PS)
BMS = Curse Mode EMS
RSM = Rinnegan

@Bold you mean legged Susano'o with CM?

Cause BSM = PS.

 

[Bronze]

It's totally dependent on the individual. If it's EMS Sasuke, BSM is vastly superior. If it's EMS Madara, BSM is vastly inferior.

 

[Draphsin]

Fail again Draphsin

It took you damn near 45 mins to come up with this.

Lmao

It's called having a life moron, I'm not sitting here waiting for your precious reply, quit being so full of yourself too because you aren't doing a good job supporting yourself either.

Its a manga fact naruto talks before all fights and its manga fact every time before sasuke and naruto fight naruto tries to talk and reason with sasuke so there will be no blitzing nor is it irrelevant.

Lol Is this the best you can come up with? Using talking as your excuse? This is a 1v1, not a manga event, they have absolutely no reason to talk to eachother & if you believe they do then you obviously don't understand the concept behind a 1v1.

Genjutsu or kyuubi chakra suppression solos

KCM blitz solos

The rest of your post is irrelevant to the outcome

Laughable, I countered every single thing you said, now it's irrelevant? Lol

Chakra arms gets sliced by enton

As sasuke get's obliterated by FRS, seems like a good trade off to me.

Its mere speculation that frs can get through a incomplete susano with a shield. You havd no proof that backsup your claim.

The proof lies within the attack that broke susanoo, which was a basic fuuton jutsu in comparison to FRS. As I said your logic suggests that FRS isn't even on the same level of strength as danzo's jutsu, & anyone with common sense would laugh at that.

No speed blitz because as soon as they meet up naruto talks to reason with sasuke this is a manga fact and in that time genjutsu gg or kyuubi chakra suppression gg.

Talks never happen in a hypothetical VS debate, resorting to such a point in the first place is beyond ridiculous.

Also show a scan of someone being in a genjutsu and then moving out of range to break it...don't worry I'll wait for nothingness.

Are you retarded? Must be to misinterpret my points so badly. Now before I give you any scan, you give me any quote where I said that moving out of range will break genjutsu...now allow me to wait for your nothingness.

Longer range = harder to make eye contact, I shouldn't have to spell it our for you.

 

[-immortal-]

sm<= ms
Kcm > ms
Bm = ems
Bsm = ems(PS)
RSM=rinnegan

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Lmao Gamabunta solos

Change your ava and Sig. Manda rekts Gamabunta

 

[Da Best Ever]

Draphsin you fail again...

You say its called having a life.hmmm

Last I checked your rank is sage and mines is sannin...why because you post more than me why because in order to post more than me you have to be on nb more..countered, clearly you have less of an outside life than me.

Next

Its a manga fact naruto talks before every fight if you are going to use other manga facts that are tangible then you have use the intangible facts. Tangible facts, jutsu. Intangibles talking before every fight most nv shinobi does this that's why it is not an excuse and can't be refuted.

Next

Naruto can blitz but even then that kcm cloak punch or kick isn't going to kill him. He will get hit and then activate susano clad in enton and that one hit would be the first and last physical hit naruto gets. Also you say that to avoid genjutsu naruto would be out of range of genjutsu well if he's out of range of genjutsu then he's out of range to blitz sasuke if there's too much distance sasuke can activate susano in time so there won't even be a blitz regardless.

Next

Danzo is a kage level shinobi and a master of wind release that fuuton jutsu was not basic and so what if thesusano broke it can be activated again.


Talks never happen in hypothetical situations...lmao hypothetical situations made up by fans never happen..too easy


If naruto starts off out of range of genjutsu then that's you trying to setup the fight to favor naruto because most fights start close to mid range and visual genjutsu works close to mid range so still solo'd

At any point that naruto gets mid to close range he loses to genjutsu and or kyuubi chakra suppression.

Its also a manga no version of naruto's speed is constant not even rsm naruto's speed was constant and kcm naruto was avoided by ms itachi and which is because naruto's blitz isn't constant but more like random.

 

[Draphsin]

Draphsin you fail again...

So pathetic I dont even know why I bother responding to you.

You say its called having a life.hmmm

Last I checked your rank is sage and mines is sannin...why because you post more than me why because in order to post more than me you have to be on nb more..countered, clearly you have less of an outside life than me.

Lol Again your stupidity strikes. So now because I post more than you it means I lack a life, & should reply to you immediately? What a moron, learn your place before making ridiculous assumptions.

You no nothing of what I do when away from my monitor, & because I have a higher rank than you on this forum that means I should drop everything that I'm doing & answer your post? Lmao, grade-A logic you got there.

Its a manga fact naruto talks before every fight if you are going to use other manga facts that are tangible then you have use the intangible facts.

Stop whining, you're trying to give sasuke an advantage that has nothing to do with either of their abilities just so you can try & prove that sasuke is stronger. Lol If you want to prove that sasuke is stronger then saying that naruto talks before his fights is a laughable point, as it has nothing to do with his actual ability.

Tangible facts, jutsu. Intangibles talking before every fight most nv shinobi does this that's why it is not an excuse and can't be refuted.

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, lol.

Anyways if they're going to talk then they're going to do it in base & it's going to be mutual. Once sasuke activates his sharingan KCM comes up & sensory abilities prevent any form of genjutsu from surprising naruto, then he blitzes away.

Using talking as an excuse to give sasuke an advantage over naruto has got to be one of the funniest things I've heard on this site. Almost sig worthy, almost.

Naruto can blitz but even then that kcm cloak punch or kick isn't going to kill him. He will get hit and then activate susano clad in enton and that one hit would be the first and last physical hit naruto gets.

FRS kills him, & naruto can launch it from point blank, when did I ever say anything about naruto using physical blows? Plus he has clones to do the dirty work for him.

Also you say that to avoid genjutsu naruto would be out of range of genjutsu well if he's out of range of genjutsu then he's out of range to blitz sasuke if there's too much distance sasuke can activate susano in time so there won't even be a blitz regardless.

Lol It's like you have selective reading or something.

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many clones pounce on sasuke, he has four go on for a blitz while he hides among the others from a distance. KCM clones >>> Anything this sasuke has to offer.

Danzo is a kage level shinobi and a master of wind release that fuuton jutsu was not basic and so what if thesusano broke it can be activated again.

So what? Naruto surpassed kage level when he attained KCM. & Rasengan is already an A-rank jutsu of the highest shape manipulation. Not to mention a hokage couldn't even master it by combining it with nature manipulation while naruto did.

Fuuton + shape manipulation > fuuton

Then three or four will head his way, & once it breaks he'll have zero time to recover before he's hit again.

Talks never happen in hypothetical situations...lmao hypothetical situations made up by fans never happen..too easy

Again with the stupidity, either compare the abilities of the two characters or stop posting garbage. KCM naruto > MS sasuke w/o his complete PS. If naruto is going to talk then he's going to talk in base & if sasuke uses genjutsu to finish him during that time then that means MS sasuke > base naruto. Good job, now tell me something I didn't already know.

If naruto starts off out of range of genjutsu then that's you trying to setup the fight to favor naruto because most fights start close to mid range and visual genjutsu works close to mid range so still solo'd

Lmfao what twisted logic you got. So it's okay to set up a favorable condition where naruto will be talking to sasuke, yet if the fight starts out of genjutsu range [many fights do] then it's biased? You sir win moron of the month award & it's only March 3rd.

Also give me the fights where sasuke uses genjutsu immediately on his opponents. I'll guarantee you he has has barely any if any at all. Therefore if you wanna base this all on "mangafact" then where are your facts supporting sasuke using genjutsu as naruto is talking? Your arguments are weak bro. U_U

If sasuke uses genjutsu on naruto before he activates his cloak [only time when naruto will talk] then he's > base naruto. If naruto activates his cloak then he easily senses sasuke before he can perform genjutsu & blitzes away.

At any point that naruto gets mid to close range he loses to genjutsu and or kyuubi chakra suppression.

Not happening, naruto is too fast & will blitz. Ay never got caught in sasuke's genjutsu, same thing happens here.

Its also a manga no version of naruto's speed is constant not even rsm naruto's speed was constant and kcm naruto was avoided by ms itachi and which is because naruto's blitz isn't constant but more like random.

Irrelevant, naruto showed us his top speed, naruto's top speed > ay's. Ay is faster than sasuke, & so naruto will blitz him like ay did. & Naruto only fought itachi in cqc which is completely different from a blitz.

 

[closecombat1254]

Keep crying. Naruto=Sasuke no matter what.

Proof it show proof

 

[Styles]

Proof it show proof

The proof is what Kishimoto and his manga showed and portrayed.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

How on earth is anything I said wrong? Smh...



Irrelevant, naruto is too fast to be caught in a genjutsu, then we have clones to work as diversions & if naruto keeps his distance then genjutsu becomes a non-factor.



Yet sasuke is somehow magically aware of naruto's speed & his new S-rank fuuton jutsu? Naruto always uses clones, so any naruto that touches sasuke's ribcage will be a clone & thus will give naruto insight on the ability. Then there's chakra arms, which ensure that ama doesn't touch him in the end.



Above, no speed to even land a glance, let alone focus a genjutsu before he gets blitzed.



Irrelevant, naruto's chakra capacity is leages above sasuke's so he doesn't have to worry about losing a small amount. Now MS sasuke on the other hand not only suffers significant chakra loss from using ama but since this is MS sasuke he sustains eye strain every time.



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in terms of power. One FRS is ripping any incomplete susanoo apart, let alone multiple ones.



He got blitzed by ay, naruto outsped ay. Therefore naruto is perfectly capable of blitzing this sasuke. Then we have the fact that naruto has clones who can use FRS from multiple directions.



Unless he's in the air the bird will be summoned on the ground, naruto or one of his clones easily blitzes before that happens. Or naruto can use his summon to help him close the gap & reach sasuke if need be.

But in any case sasuke can't do anything on his bird other than spam ama & susanoo arrows, which naruto can simply dodge until sasuke's too blind & drained to fight back anymore.



Lol, so according to you danzo's fuuton jutsu has more cutting power than FRS, good to know.



All fodder in the face of FRS.



Naruto blitzes before he can attempt any of this, or is sasuke magically faster than V2 ay now too? Please, there's a thing called scaling.

And with scaling (in your case you are using A>B>C logic), Madara was able to react to and neg diff counter v2 Ay, while he, as a JJ got neg blitzed by Sasuke using footspeed. Rinnegan grants no physical enhancements. Therefore his FOOTSPEED with Rinnegan is = his FOOTSPEED with MS/EMS

 

[take it easy]

The proof is what Kishimoto and his manga showed and portrayed.

Manga showed that every Naruto's power after SM>>>>>>>>>>>>>similar Sasuke's power by feats.

 

[KingHashirama]

KCM = MS

BM = EMS

BSM = EMS + CM

RSM = Rinnegan

KCM > normal non-legged susanoo Sasuke

Legged Sasuke susanoo > KCM Naruto

BM > Legged Susanoo Sasuke

PERFECT SUSANOO Sasuke > BM Naruto

BSM Naruto > PS Sasuke

 

[Styles]

Manga showed that every Naruto's power after SM>>>>>>>>>>>>>similar Sasuke's power by feats.

Dude you say the dumbest stuff. You're just in denial when it comes to Naruto. If you knew the only reason it seem like that is because Naruto had more panel time and went from KCM to BM in like half a day. Kishimoto always does that.