Tailed beast sage mode is equal to EMS?

[DHOH]

That's definitely the case.. Sasuke was nearly killed twice before he figured out how to use Amaterasu.. And Kagutsuchi was only use to put out Amaterasu.. CS 2/ orochimaru absorbed Sasuke was much stronger then newly awaken MS Sasuke.

Sasuke also said "I want to try something". That something was awakening Susanoo, a jutsu along with Amaterasu he did not have at the beginning of the match.. If you think Sasuke that fought killer bee and the one that fought Danzou are the same, then let's agree to disagree now.. That's why I responded to a sasuke fan... Not the opposite.

 

[lndra]

That's definitely the case.. Sasuke was nearly killed twice before he figured out how to use Amaterasu.. And Kagutsuchi was only use to put out Amaterasu.. CS 2/ orochimaru absorbed Sasuke was much stronger then newly awaken MS Sasuke.

How does that equal training? He almost died because he could not handle Killer Bee, nor a Bijuu at that time. That has nothing to do with actually training for Amaterasu since he only tried to use it at the last second. Why are you pulling at straws here?

Sasuke also said "I want to try something".That something was awakening Susanoo, a jutsu along with Amaterasu he did not have at the beginning of the match.. If you think Sasuke that fought killer bee and the one that fought Danzou are the same, then let's agree to disagree now.. That's why I responded to a sasuke fan... Not the opposite.

You said it yourself. He said "He wanted to try something", and it was obvious he never showed Susano'o before that time. Meaning he knew he had it. However, we both know it did not come naturally. His Susano'o evolved over time, and it reacted with his evil emotions. Which none of that is training.

There is noting to agree or to disagree about. Because you were never right with your points to begin with.

 

[DHOH]

How is that not training? Lol
1. He didn't have a teacher
2. You don't nearly die twice in training
3. You don't train eyes that slowly lused it's site.

He almost died because.
1. He didn't know how to use his MS
2. He was still healing from his fight with Itachi..
MS Sasuke that faced Danzou was much more prepared to fight bee.. Lol Uchiha don't train MS.

Exactly, it wasn't training it just comes to them after having it for a while.
You are the only person that thinks Sasuke is the same as he was before killer bee and after Danzou.. So yea, I'll wa for someone less bias lol.

 

[lndra]

How is that not training? Lol
1. He didn't have a teacher
2. You don't nearly die twice in training
3. You don't train eyes that slowly lused it's site.

Sigh. What are you stating? Sasuke did not train for his MS techniques, show me a manga scan of him actually training to improve with his MS.

He almost died because.
1. He didn't know how to use his MS
2. He was still healing from his fight with Itachi..
MS Sasuke that faced Danzou was much more prepared to fight bee.. Lol Uchiha don't train MS.

"He almost died"
Because Killer Bee > MS Sasuke

He didn't know how to use MS? Tell me again how he used Amaterasu, and Kagutschi on the same day without using them prior without Itachi's seal.

Exactly, it wasn't training it just comes to them after having it for a while.
You are the only person that thinks Sasuke is the same as he was before killer bee and after Danzou.. So yea, I'll wa for someone less bias lol.

It was not training at all. Sasuke reached his peak in Early part two( for his age at the current time), he was already a full fledged shinobi at that point. Tis why Part two involved more on Naruto training to reach Sasuke.

 

[DHOH]

I'm done.. You are the one said in three previous post that Sasuke was trying MS..

It isn't coincidence that I'm arguing with DI Raziel in another thread about a different subject but same format.. You two are the same person..

 

[lndra]

I'm done.. You are the one said in three previous post that Sasuke was trying MS..

It isn't coincidence that I'm arguing with DI Raziel in another thread about a different subject but same format.. You two are the same person..

Thank God honestly. You rebuttals are … special. You honestly say one thing, someone points out that you are flawed, and then you try to change the subject or bring up a nonexistent point.

MS Sasuke never trained. Point and blank, and your wanking on the nonsensical is above what the normal member can handle. You do realize that your name was on the worst debators of NB, right? I did not believe it, nor I debated against you with the belief that you were really trying to learn and understand. Now? Not a chance. You clearly are not.

Oh? Yeah, well I’m glad Raizel is handling your ass too. It’s not like it is hard anyway >O >

 

[Styles]

The sad fact it is. Base Naruto > 3T Sasuke. It was already proved in the manga. If you feel like ignoring it, it just proves how you acted the last time we talked about who was stronger.

Because base Naruto isn't > 3T Sasuke. Everyone should know that.

Thank God honestly. You rebuttals are … special. You honestly say one thing, someone points out that you are flawed, and then you try to change the subject or bring up a nonexistent point.

MS Sasuke never trained. Point and blank, and your wanking on the nonsensical is above what the normal member can handle. You do realize that your name was on the worst debators of NB, right? I did not believe it, nor I debated against you with the belief that you were really trying to learn and understand. Now? Not a chance. You clearly are not.

Oh? Yeah, well I’m glad Raizel is handling your ass too. It’s not like it is hard anyway >O >

MS Sasuke never trained but you forget actual fighting was Sasuke's training ever since he got MS he was thrown into fights because of Obito and each fight he get stronger and unlock new techniques.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Because base Naruto isn't > 3T Sasuke. Everyone should know that.

I'm sorry, but Manga proves otherwise. Kishimoto already portrayed that Base Naruto > 3T Sasuke.

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Denying manga facts now? Or are you missing the growth of Naruto's abilities? Kishimoto obviously portrayed that Base Naruto > 3T Sasuke. He even makes Naruto trip by a rock so that Sasuke can finally land a hit in. Pretty confusing how you are ignoring what is right in-front of you.

 

[Styles]

I'm sorry, but Manga proves otherwise. Kishimoto already portrayed that Base Naruto > 3T Sasuke.

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Denying manga facts now? Or are you missing the growth of Naruto's abilities? Kishimoto obviously portrayed that Base Naruto > 3T Sasuke, and Base Naruto = Base Sasuke when the Sharingan is offline. He even makes Naruto trip by a rock so that Sasuke can finally land a hit in. Pretty confusing how you are ignoring what is right in-front of you.

Funny because Sasuke is matching him blow for blow those scans even show it you're the one denying manga facts. Sharingan Sasuke countered the barrage. Funny thing is, is that Kishimoto made Sasuke use chidori perfectly then somehow can't make another one the next it's the same as Naruto tripping over that rock. But what happened then they went with taijutsu and still stalemated.

 

[V h o]

No BSM Naruto is not equal to EMS Sasuke.

 

[Draphsin]

And with scaling (in your case you are using A>B>C logic), Madara was able to react to and neg diff counter v2 Ay, while he, as a JJ got neg blitzed by Sasuke using footspeed. Rinnegan grants no physical enhancements. Therefore his FOOTSPEED with Rinnegan is = his FOOTSPEED with MS/EMS

The rinnegan doesn't grant any speed enhancements, but hagoromo's chakra does [you know, the thing that gave sasuke the rinnegan in the first place]. Did you forget the fight where a blind SM madara was dancing around sasuke's attacks & only got stabbed in the arm, yet a rinnegan sasuke is fast enough to blitz & cut clean through JJ madara? Lol Unless you're telling me that EMS sasuke is as fast as JJ madara then you obviously didn't use proper scaling.

& FYI using ABC logic when referring to speed is completely acceptable.

 

[Narutohokage324]

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Sigh I guess I am going to have to show it to you simply with the scans, and by explaining them.

Are you talking about the same Chidori that did not work a minute ago?

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In which Naruto could of hit him with his rasengan? If Sasuke did not fail the chidori, they would of just stalemated there, sending them both back.

Which finally gives Sasuke some time to actually hit Naruto.

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Both of them are exhausted to the point of no chakra anymore. Which leads them to fight purely in base, but with low stamina and chakra.

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But then you are going to deny when both of them actually had chakra at their disposal, and were at least in a better stable condition, that Base Naruto does not destroy 3T Sasuke?

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Which makes sense considering where they are now.
Base Naruto (who far surpasses Sasuke in Taijutsu) = or ">" 3T Sasuke
KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke - Base
BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (PS activated)
Rikudou Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke.

 

[DHOH]

Funny because Sasuke is matching him blow for blow those scans even show it you're the one denying manga facts. Sharingan Sasuke countered the barrage. Funny thing is, is that Kishimoto made Sasuke use chidori perfectly then somehow can't make another one the next it's the same as Naruto tripping over that rock. But what happened then they went with taijutsu and still stalemated.

Not to mention Naruto took advantage of Sasuke's eye causing him pain and Sasuke still match him blow for blow.. I'm sure Sasuke sharingan was gone one the chidori fized out, and Sasuke still match every punch.. That's just another fanboy trying desperately to give naruto the edge..
We all know how base naruto match up against 3 tomoe Sasuke in there first encounter in shippuden..

No BSM Naruto is not equal to EMS Sasuke

I agree, Naruto has the advantage.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Not to mention Naruto took advantage of Sasuke's eye causing him pain and Sasuke still match him blow for blow.. I'm sure Sasuke sharingan was gone one the chidori fized out, and Sasuke still match every punch.. That's just another fanboy trying desperately to give naruto the edge..
We all know how base naruto match up against 3 tomoe Sasuke in there first encounter in shippuden..
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I blocked you already but your posts always involve retardation.

Sigh. Are you bringing up their first encounter to shippuden and comparing them to VOTE2? 400 Chapters later? Oh my God... they were right about you. Naruto took advantage of his right eye being in pain for the first hit, but did not stop Sasuke with an 3T activated already from getting the beat-down. They only stalemated in base after Naruto/Sasuke both lost their stamina/chakra. Denying manga facts must be hard these days, I guess.

 

[Dantee]

OP doesn't take into account Perfect Susanoo EMS Sasuke or legged sussanoo?

I blocked you already but your posts always involve retardation.

Sigh. Are you bringing up their first encounter to shippuden and comparing them to VOTE2? 400 Chapters later? Oh my God... they were right about you. Naruto took advantage of his right eye being in pain for the first hit, but did not stop Sasuke with an 3T activated already from getting the beat-down. They only stalemated in base after Naruto/Sasuke both lost their stamina/chakra. Denying manga facts must be hard these days, I guess.

Honestly that's not a very good way to grasp 3 tomoe Sasuke vs Base Naruto. Sasuke ran out of chakra due to their long exhausting battle and Kishi had Naruto trip on a rock meaning he was to clumsy to keep his composure after fighting so long. Theirs nothing there to say how 3 tomoe Sasuke vs Naruto would go because they were already worn out. Not to mention Sasuke was missing his sword.

 

[Narutohokage324]

OP doesn't take into account Perfect Susanoo EMS Sasuke or legged sussanoo?




Honestly that's not a very good way to grasp 3 tomoe Sasuke vs Base Naruto. Sasuke ran out of chakra due to their long exhausting battle and Kishi had Naruto trip on a rock meaning he was to clumsy to keep his composure after fighting so long. Theirs nothing there to say how 3 tomoe Sasuke vs Naruto would go because they were already worn out. Not to mention Sasuke was missing his sword.

Yes but Naruto was equally lost at chakra too, but I see your point. From the manga scans and from what you said in your post, it would seem like in a pure taijutsu fight in base vs 3T Sasuke, that Naruto would win, but if Sasuke had Kenjutsu (his sword), then Naruto would need to use Sage Mode to counter that to have better reflexes and speed. Or something on those lines is what I am thinking.

 

[Styles]

Sigh I guess I am going to have to show it to you simply with the scans, and by explaining them.

Are you talking about the same Chidori that did not work a minute ago?

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In which Naruto could of hit him with his rasengan? If Sasuke did not fail the chidori, they would of just stalemated there, sending them both back.

Which finally gives Sasuke some time to actually hit Naruto.

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Both of them are exhausted to the point of no chakra anymore. Which leads them to fight purely in base, but with low stamina and chakra.

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But then you are going to deny when both of them actually had chakra at their disposal, and were at least in a better stable condition, that Base Naruto does not destroy 3T Sasuke?

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Which makes sense considering where they are now.
Base Naruto (who far surpasses Sasuke in Taijutsu) = or ">" 3T Sasuke
KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke - Base
BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke (PS activated)
Rikudou Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke.

Because he's not the scans show it clear as day that base Naruto = base Sasuke/3T Sasuke. His taijutsu is not far superior to Sasuke's either. So I don't know what you mean by "base Naruto would destroy 3T Sasuke" when everyone knows that's not true.

 

[Narutohokage324]

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Naruto overall has better Taijutsu feats, not to mention that it is Naruto's specialty in case you missed the beginning of Naruto to the end. He does not deal in weapons, only Sasuke does (Sword/Kunai/Shuriken). So yes, Naruto would win in a pure taijutsu fight. Ignoring it is just being biased on the side of just not losing.

 

[SSStylish]

Because he's not the scans show it clear as day that base Naruto = base Sasuke/3T Sasuke. His taijutsu is not far superior to Sasuke's either. So I don't know what you mean by "base Naruto would destroy 3T Sasuke" when everyone knows that's not true.

3T Sasuke is without a doubt superior to Naruto in Taijutsu. Taijutsu is neither speed, strength, durability nor ninjutsu (the clones Naruto used). It's technique. And I'm pretty sure Sasuke's Taijutsu is more crisp and has more "swaggy" technique feats. In a one on one Naruto would definitely lose without the use of SC.

 

[Dantee]

Yes but Naruto was equally lost at chakra too, but I see your point. From the manga scans and from what you said in your post, it would seem like in a pure taijutsu fight in base vs 3T Sasuke, that Naruto would win, but if Sasuke had Kenjutsu (his sword), then Naruto would need to use Sage Mode to counter that to have better reflexes and speed. Or something on those lines is what I am thinking.

Pure taijutsu doesn't include clones tho that's how Naruto gets around his sharigan