Susanoo arrow- bold who reacts

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Based on nothing. Pain would not dodge it at all.


Inb4 Enton Arrow is faster than non-Enton arrow. Inb4 FRS was generated and thrown by KCM Naruto, which makes it faster. None of the following have a proof. Pain dodges it because he dodged FRS, which was shown to travel at the same speed rate as Susanoo arrow.
 

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No your wrong he can block but he can't dodge. Everybody Susanoo arrow was used on could block they just couldn't move fast enough to evade it.
Based on literally nothing. Not one person could make hand signs thus they had to resort to techs that didn't require hand signs. (Mokuton and Kamui). Kisame has no feats that let him fare any better.
 

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Based on literally nothing. Not one person could make hand signs thus they had to resort to techs that didn't require hand signs. (Mokuton and Kamui). Kisame has no feats that let him fare any better.
Based on the fact that Kisame reaction time is better than MS Sasuke that went up against Bee. Danzo had time to put a tree out. Kisame is going to be able to put Samehada up.
 

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Based on the fact that Kisame reaction time is better than MS Sasuke that went up against Bee. Danzo had time to put a tree out. Kisame is going to be able to put Samehada up.
Lmao no the hell it's not. Just stop. Please just stop. There is no feat Kisame possesses that surpasses Sasuke's feats at any point of Shippuden when it comes to speed. Danzo's Mokuton is not Kisame. You have no actual feats of Kisame being able to react well enough to it to block with Samehada, just a feat where Danzo used a tech that requires no movement and where Kakashi had to use Kamui. :lol
 

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Based on the fact that Kisame reaction time is better than MS Sasuke that went up against Bee. Danzo had time to put a tree out. Kisame is going to be able to put Samehada up.
Kisame's reaction time is not better, 3T Sasuke reacting to V1 Raikage's attack at point-blank range outstrips anything Kisame has accomplished. Kisame is on a lower speed tier and isn't supplemented by the augmented perception of the Sharingan the way Sasuke is. The only reason Kisame seemingly displayed higher reaction speed is because you distorted the entire premise of the battle and why Kisame dominated Bee in the first place.

None of it was associated with speed, it had everything to do with Kisame thriving off of Bee's chakra and continually getting stronger while Bee grew weaker in comparison. Sasuke isn't tailored for battling Perfect Jinchuuriki yet his reaction feats still eclipsed Kisame's by flipping over V1 Bee while Kisame required assistance from his blade to parry him.
 

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My point was that hand seal speed isn't always necessarily faster then ones movement speed. Some can move faster then hand seals.
Some people (Mifune) can move faster than other people's (Hanzo) hand seals, but that doesn't mean Hanzo can dodge faster than his own hand signs and the same goes for everyone else unless the hand signs in question are long.
 

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Some people (Mifune) can move faster than other people's (Hanzo) hand seals, but that doesn't mean Hanzo can dodge faster than his own hand signs and the same goes for everyone else unless the hand signs in question are long.
I think you're missing one point all hand signs do is help you mold chakra easier and faster then you normally would to do you jutus . So basically all the person is saying this I cannot mold Chaka fast enough to stop that attack
 

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My point was that hand seal speed isn't always necessarily faster then ones movement speed. Some can move faster then hand seals.
Blocking is significantly more convenient than maneuvering around an attack. It's why Kimimaro was conspicuously shown to parry all of Drunken Lee's attacks whereas before, he was gracefully dodging his attacks. Hanzo transitioning to the best course of action doesn't denote evasion being possible at the last instant.

It's debatable I suppose, but evading in response to an impending, high-speed attack that can easily intercept your hand-seal speed at close-range makes it as if it is improbable.

Also, MS Sasuke eclipses Kisame in reaction speed.
 

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I think you're missing one point all hand signs do is help you mold chakra easier and faster then you normally would to do you jutus . So basically all the person is saying this I cannot mold Chaka fast enough to stop that attack
Which literally doesn't change a thing. Hand signs are the process of molding chakra. Not being able to make the seals means that they are not physically capable of dodging or doing anything else that requires more effort.
 

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Do they get to see Sasuke prepping the arrow? Or are we assuming that the arrow has already been fired when they're allowed to start?
 

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Some people (Mifune) can move faster than other people's (Hanzo) hand seals, but that doesn't mean Hanzo can dodge faster than his own hand signs and the same goes for everyone else unless the hand signs in question are long.
Oh, I see what you're saying now. True, good point.

Blocking is significantly more convenient than maneuvering around an attack. It's why Kimimaro was conspicuously shown to parry all of Drunken Lee's attacks whereas before, he was gracefully dodging his attacks. Hanzo transitioning to the best course of action doesn't denote evasion being possible at the last instant.

It's debatable I suppose, but evading in response to an impending, high-speed attack that can easily intercept your hand-seal speed at close-range makes it as if it is improbable.

Also, MS Sasuke eclipses Kisame in reaction speed.
Yeah, I agree.

Taka Sasuke? Not really. I disliked your post because you're still operating under the fallacy involving Kisame's fight with Bee. I thought I clarified that with you, in which you conceded.
 

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What fallacy?
All of this

The only reason Kisame seemingly displayed higher reaction speed is because you distorted the entire premise of the battle and why Kisame dominated Bee in the first place.

None of it was associated with speed, it had everything to do with Kisame thriving off of Bee's chakra and continually getting stronger while Bee grew weaker in comparison. Sasuke isn't tailored for battling Perfect Jinchuuriki yet his reaction feats still eclipsed Kisame's by flipping over V1 Bee while Kisame required assistance from his blade to parry him.
Reacting and out-maneuvering base and V1 Bee had nothing to do with the bolded. As I already explained to you, the only time in the fight that Kisame utilized Bee's chakra was from the point he used WD and onward. The feats that Kisame displayed in CQC prior to that weren't augmented by anything. Furthermore, base Bee didn't have issue with V1 Ay's speed, while Kisame didn't have an issue with base Bee's speed.
 
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Reacting and out-maneuvering base and V1 Bee had nothing to do with the bolded. As I already explained to you, the only time in the fight that Kisame utilized Bee's chakra was from the point he used WD and onward. The feats that Kisame displayed in CQC prior to that weren't augmented by anything. Furthermore, base Bee didn't have issue with V1 Ay's speed, while Kisame didn't have an issue with base Bee's speed.
You're right, but I assumed that your argument pivoted on Kisame's seemingly better performance which had little to do with reaction speed in the first place.

Underline is unreasoned considering 3T Sasuke casually reacted to a much faster Bee's speed.
 
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