Susanoo arrow- bold who reacts

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That impact around B probably means that he had just taken off, and Kisame has those same impact marks around Samehada so they probably acted at the same time, meaning Kisame didn't really react to B's charge he reacted to the sight of B's mode.



Based on nothing as usual.

Based on the fact that he dodged and countered attack 7tails Bee. Based on the fact that he seen and blocked v2 KB charge.

 

[KidGamer65]

Based on the fact that he dodged and countered attack 7tails Bee. Based on the fact that he seen and blocked v2 KB charge.

Both addressed.

 

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Both addressed.

Susanoo arrow best feat is forcing Danzo and Kakashi to use something other than dodging methods. Mind you the distance between them in both scene's were about 20-30ft. The only reason they didn't block is because the Susanoo arrow would have ripped through their bodies. Kisame blocks and heals any damage done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Susanoo arrow best feat is forcing Danzo and Kakashi to use something other than dodging methods. Mind you the distance between them in both scene's were about 20-30ft. The only reason they didn't block is because the Susanoo arrow would have ripped through their bodies. Kisame blocks and heals any damage done.

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing.

 

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Based on what? Oh wait, nothing.

Based on common sense. Why would Kakashi block knowing he would die? Kakashi couldn't block cause it would have killed him nor could he physical dodge so he had one option and that was Kamui. Same thing applies for Danzo if he would have blocked he would have died and couldn't dodge it so he was forced to sacrifice that arm.

Unlike Kakashi and Danzo Kisame can block and heal any damage done. Kisame also has better reaction than both of them. Also saying addressed is irrelevant when you didn't properly counter anything.

 

[KidGamer65]

Based on common sense. Why would Kakashi block knowing he would die? Kakashi couldn't block cause it would have killed him nor could he physical dodge so he had one option and that was Kamui. Same thing applies for Danzo if he would have blocked he would have died and couldn't dodge it so he was forced to sacrifice that arm.

Unlike Kakashi and Danzo Kisame can block and heal any damage done. Kisame also has better reaction than both of them. Also saying addressed is irrelevant when you didn't properly counter anything.

No. Based on what is Kakashi capable of blocking? Based on what is Danzo capable of blocking? lmao.

 

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No. Based on what is Kakashi capable of blocking? Based on what is Danzo capable of blocking? lmao.

Danzo was capable of blocking because an entire Tree sprouted out of his arm[

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] surely you don't think he could have gotten his arm up in that time and even in the scan where he states it's to fast to make a hand sign he cannonly moved his arm up.

I already explained for Kakashi and it doesn't matter since Kisame reaction feats>Kakashi based on his fight with Killer Bee.

 

[KidGamer65]

Danzo was capable of blocking because an entire Tree sprouted out of his arm[

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] surely you don't think he could have gotten his arm up in that time and even in the scan where he states it's to fast to make a hand sign he cannonly moved his arm up.

I already explained for Kakashi and it doesn't matter since Kisame reaction feats>Kakashi based on his fight with Killer Bee.

That's a speed feat for Mokuton. Not Danzo. And no, he didn't move his arm up either. :lol

 

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That's a speed feat for Mokuton. Not Danzo. And no, he didn't move his arm up either. :lol

Yes he did you can see his arm on the side of his body and then in the bottom right scan it's in front on him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes he did you can see his arm on the side of his body and then in the bottom right scan it's in front on him.

He didn't even raise his arm, he slightly shifted his body so that his arm would be where the arrow pierces. Lmao. That doesn't equate to a block.

 

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Wow, actually wasn't notified of this, so sorry for the late reply:



It's ironic because the example you presented isn't sufficient in illustrating how Kisame overwhelmed Bee with his reaction speed. All you're presenting me is an example of Kisame competing with Base Bee and being able to react to him which is something I've never denied. Nevertheless, I will concede on this because

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I also discovered that Naruto's assessment of the situation entails that it was a combination of Reaction Speed + Pattern, so it'd be dishonest of me to deny this.

Moving on ...

Nothing is ironic here. From medium range, Kisame easily reacted to and parried a base Bee shunshin from his backside, whilst also awkwardly positioning his body so the blade didn't nail him in the face is an impressive feat. A feat that forced Bee to ditch his base form for the remainder of the fight, despite Kisame continuously absorbing his chakra modes. Bee gauged his reaction pattern (and speed), and determined his base form was not sufficient. You stating the feat was not sufficient enough is simply your opinion, that isn't supported by the manga. Kisame forced Bee into his chakra modes much faster then in his fight with the whole team Taka, never mind just Sasuke.

I disregarded it because I wanted you to acknowledge that you took a misguided approach in validating Kisame's reactions. Reacting to Base Bee who reacted to V1 Raikage doesn't denote Kisame's superiority here when Sasuke accomplished the same feat. To be honest, I'm still a little dumbfounded by this considering Raikage's reaction speed surpasses Minato's, so to argue that Kisame and Base Bee casually reacted to someone on Raikage's caliber is unreasonable.

If you don't like my debating style by spotting "holes" in an argument, then that's fine, just say it and I'll get straight to the point.

You mean making up holes, and fabricating my assertion. I brought that comparison up, because of your earlier statement in Sasuke reacting to V1 Ay eclipses anything Kisame has done. Bolded is ironic, because Kisame accomplished nearly the same feat against V1 Bee as did Sasuke, yet you somehow find reason to say that Sasuke's reaction is superior. Then we have the underlined, which implies it is fine to consider 3T Sasuke on Minato and Raikage's caliber of reaction speed. Furthermore, just because character-A can react to character-B's attack, doesn't necessarily mean character-A has better reaction speed than character-B.

This is something I never denied, but this still doesn't compare to Sasuke's feat where he flipped over V1 Bee multiple times at close- range and by Bee's admission,

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. Reacting to V1 Bee by shifting his body to the side doesn't compare to Bee's affirmation of Sasuke's reflexes nor would it compare to out-maneuvering V1 Raikage during their clash. Speed encompasses a large portion of reactions and Sasuke's above him, garnering a speed stat of 4.5 (presumably a 5 since MS Sasuke > CS2 Sasuke) excluding the Sharingan whereas Kisame has a 4 in Speed. According to Kishimoto's perspective, Sasuke's reactions are simply higher and this isn't bashing Kisame at all given the emphasis Kishimoto has placed on Sasuke's speed via Databook.

We know that Bee's starting point was the rock structure. The distance that he travelled before meeting Sasuke was a further distance then he had to travel before meeting Kisame. The panel where we see Sasuke flipping off of Bee is a very comparable distance to Bee's starting point with Kisame, yet we don't see Bee's starting point in that particular panel. By the time Sasuke lands on Bee's starting point, Bee wasn't far off from Sasuke's starting point, which is a rather

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in between. So while Sasuke completely avoided V1 Bee, Kisame out-maneuvered him from a closer starting distance, meaning he had less time to react. Furthermore, Bee lunged at Kisame with his sword, which means he had an extension of his reach from an already extremely close starting distance, whereas Sasuke evaded a punch. Kisame clearly had less time and room for reaction then Sasuke did.

Again, I've never outright stated that Kisame's reaction is blatantly superior to Sasuke's. Rather they're on the same tier of reaction speed, meaning the gap isn't large enough where one will out due the other.