...(Spoilers)Damage control? Shin is just stronger than we thought

[Char Aznable]

12 year old uchiha kid says...try again

Where does it say Shin is 12?

Also Salada and ChoCho managed to dodge and take the back of Shin. That Uchiha hype is being deflated by this onion kid.

 

[-Akuma-]

Even if Naruto used RSM doesn't mean Sasuke still won't get hands ni**a.

 

[adeshina365]

Naruto's form looks far closer to BSM than it does to RSM. I still think that he lost RSM, but managed to improve his BSM.

 

[Dockinabix]

its simple logic. the more you get used to something, the better you use it efficiently. naruto has also made a one handed rasengan even though he needed clones for it before. chidori works like raikiri and kakashi doesnt use handsigns for raikiri. madara used a

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without handsigns so no not every jutsu requires handsigns, stuff like that are based on skill and mastery

i gave you six clear scans of sasuke doing chidori with handsigns, if your counter is "kishi made mistakes" then dont bother replying.


lol even forgot about those. he is using kishi made mistake as a counter.

And you are plain ignorant.

naruto has also made a one handed rasengan even though he needed clones for it before

Rasengan is a technique that doesnt need hand sign since it's pure shape manipulation. Those example is irrevelant.

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without handsigns so no not every jutsu requires handsigns, stuff like that are based on skill and mastery

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I can agree in the point that some techniques don't require from the start signs. Maybe this technique is a simple nature transformation like the wind in rasenshuriken but in a more simple way. ( produce directly fire chakra in his mouth and spit it in an explosion)

But chidori is different,from the start it needs a hand sign. In part 1, it needed a hand sign. In gaiden, it needed a hand sign.

It like saying naruto don't need hand sign when he masters the shadow clone technique. No. Even though he masters it, he still need the hand sign.
The hand sign is the pattern to mold the chakra into a form for doing the technique. You can't pass through that, you can't change a point who's a crucial part of the process.

chidori works like raikiri and kakashi doesnt use handsigns for raikiri.

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Bullshit. He needs hand sign , he always needed them. ( against zabuza, when he teach it to sasuke etc...)

No matter how much masteries you have, a technique that needs hand sign, will always need them. The only factor you can change is the speed of doing it ( itachi is really fast at this game).

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No he didn't use handsign even a single time while using Chidori in part 2.If u can show me even a single scan of Sasuke from part 2 using Chidori with handsign then we can talk

My god, are you plain stupid ?
For the last time, maybe it could enter into the likely void between your ears.

I never said that Sasuke did those sign. I said, he should have done those sign because the manga stated that a technique who needs a hand sign, will always need a hand sign. It's a part of it. (like summonings, it should need a series of hand signs and then the blood. But after awhile kishi disposed of the first part because it could disrupt the dynamic and kept with the blood on the ground and the hand signs would have been off panel)

The only reason, kishi didn't draw them are:

- He didn't do them in order to keep the panel flow dynamic. ( either he kept them off panel or it's a voluntary "mistake", something comprehensive in a weekly release)
- Too lazy or not had time to insert them
- He simply forgot (like boruto/himawari byakugan).

 

[Narutrol]

Naruto's form looks far closer to BSM than it does to RSM. I still think that he lost RSM, but managed to improve his BSM.

He now has 10 times more chakra than rsm with complete bijuus, so he's stronger than rsm

 

[BLAZE]

Naruto's form looks far closer to BSM than it does to RSM. I still think that he lost RSM, but managed to improve his BSM.

see his eyes its RSM combined with KCM

 

[Sage of Doujutsu]

RSM Naruto is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Solo]

LMAO!!!! Remember when Naruto fans were saying "Naruto won't even need SM to handle that fodder".

 

[Dockinabix]

He was talking about Part 2 bro

The first part of the quote yes, I agree. But the second part, he was talking in global terms, wich is wrong. ^^

 

[adeshina365]

see his eyes its RSM combined with KCM

It's an improved BSM

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[Zawerni]

LMAO!!!! Remember when Naruto fans were saying "Naruto won't even need SM to handle that fodder".

And he really didn't. Just because he used it doesn't mean it was needed

 

[King Of Pop]

smh

=Dockinabix;19030751]And you are plain ignorant.

that would be you clown.

Rasengan is a technique that doesnt need hand sign since it's pure shape manipulation. Those example is irrevelant.

i gave the rasengan example so show that one can become more adept to something the more you master it. he needed clones to use the rasengan before, but he shown can do it himself.

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read my post carefully, i said he used a katon without handsigns, i never said he can solely use katons without them. it was just to show that jutsus can be performed without handsigns. using handsign for a certain jutsu doesnt equate to always needing to form the seals to use it. thats what you fail to understand

I can agree in the point that some techniques don't require from the start signs. Maybe this technique is a simple nature transformation like the wind in rasenshuriken but in a more simple way. ( produce directly fire chakra in his mouth and spit it in an explosion

)
bold is your assumptions and i dont care for them. it was just another katon variant and he used it without seals.

But chidori is different,from the start it needs a hand sign. In part 1, it needed a hand sign. In gaiden, it needed a hand sign.

i dont know how you think a manga works but new feats>>>>old feats. whole of part 2, sasuke doesnt use signs for chidori(about 9 different times)>>>>part 1 that simple.

It like saying naruto don't need hand sign when he masters the shadow clone technique. No. Even though he masters it, he still need the hand sign.

shadow clone=/=chidori. chidori has been shown not to require signs, shadow clone hasnt so your example is invalid and a fail

The hand sign is the pattern to mold the chakra into a form for doing the technique. You can't pass through that, you can't change a point who's a crucial part of the process.

chakra moulding can easily be done with one hand, its happened countless times. what are you talking about

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Bullshit. He needs hand sign , he always needed them. ( against zabuza, when he teach it to sasuke etc...)

look above, your post is the one that is bullshit.

No matter how much masteries you have, a technique that needs hand sign, will always need them. The only factor you can change is the speed of doing it ( itachi is really fast at this game).

and yet several scans are there when techniques have been used without seals.

The first part of the quote yes, I agree. But the second part, he was talking in global terms, wich is wrong. ^^

my posts was always centered on part 2. gave 6 scans of it, blazing gave you 3 more scans

 

[Dantee]

LMAO!!!! Remember when Naruto fans were saying "Naruto won't even need SM to handle that fodder".

The hype was real. Naruto was suppose to solo in base..

 

[Dockinabix]

i dont know how you think a manga works but new feats>>>>old feats. whole of part 2, sasuke doesnt use signs for chidori(about 9 different times)>>>>part 1 that simple.

First I think without being too much egocentric, I know better than you how a manga is done. Maybe because it's on my line of work/studies.

So "feats" that counterdicts facts for fanservice/panel flow are more important than logic instaured an likelyhood ?
Damn no wonder naruto fans have the reputation of a fanbase base full of retards with such stupid words. The kind of people who swallow any kind of BS because it shake their wieners is too damn high in this fandom.

shadow clone=/=chidori. chidori has been shown not to require signs, shadow clone hasnt so your example is invalid and a fail

Shadow clone= Chidori for the hand sign.
kakashi shown a hand sign in part 1
Sasuke shown a hand sign in part 1
kakashi shown a hand sign in gaiden.
Kakashi says that some ninjutsu needs a hand sign. Chidori needs a hand sign in part 1/ By logic, it needs a hand sign in part 2.

Both were presented to the reader needing a hand sign. It's just you who are dumb enough to take the 30inch quennelle in the ass, kishi shown in part 2 without thinking by yourself about the layout and possible mistakes/forgettings.

chakra moulding can easily be done with one hand, its happened countless times. what are you talking about

The problem is not the one hand. It's that it needs to be done. Always. It's not because it's not shown that it doesn't exist. We call that Off-panels elements. It's wildly used in cinema, an art where the manga takes a lot from. Unlike you I don't say that he did it without signs, either he do the signs off-panel either kishi couldn't put the hand-sign in a panel without destroying the dynamics, and then put it aside. I don't give feats that are against the rules instaured by kishi.

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look above, your post is the one that is bullshit.

He could have done it in off panel while he turned back. He had half a sec to turn back and do the hand seal.

and yet several scans are there when techniques have been used without seals.

In a middle of fights, the author won't put at each technique, in each fighs a panel for the hand seal. Of course he don't shown them all, sometimes you see it's clearly off panel ( like kakashi where we don't see him turning around)
But to some it's mistakes or forgetting from the author ( kishi often forget things)


Who's the clown assuming things against the manga logic and c** sucking uchiha while saying that feats contradicting with the manga overcome those rules.

I don't claim errors as feats, at least, I have self respect, when I read bullshit, I admit that it is, even if it's in a series I like.
But well discussing manga panels, schematics structure,layouts and constraints with people who don't understaind how it works is useless.

I'll stay with: Mangaka often make mistakes It's natural, and It's not because it's not shown that it doesnt exist.

 

[Narutrol]

LMAO!!!! Remember when Naruto fans were saying "Naruto won't even need SM to handle that fodder".

I was thinking he gonna use kcm and fail, but it turns out he uses bsm and fail

But now naruto fans insisting he used rsm+bsm and fail......

 

[King Of Pop]

SNIP

theres really nothing to address there. all what i saw was "kishi makes mistakes" "off panel" which are not arguments. so best to drop it

 

[Dockinabix]

theres really nothing to address there. all what i saw was "kishi makes mistakes" "off panel" which are not arguments. so best to drop it

It's not because you don't understand them that they are not arguments.

 

[Dantee]

Even if Naruto used RSM doesn't mean Sasuke still won't get hands ni**a.

Sasuke has Asura Path. He technically can manifest 4 mechanical arms + Susanoo limbs...

 

[To Whatever]

I think it's the same as BSM.

Except he's using RSM + BM instead of TSM + BM.

 

[-Akuma-]

Sasuke has Asura Path. He technically can manifest 4 mechanical arms + Susanoo limbs...

Smh...I meant Sasuke would still get his ass beat.