So lol. RSM Ashura > MS Indra ?

[Naruto X Hunter]

I did answer your question, it's a few posts up there. I answered all your Q's.

You replied to the thread itself, not my specific quote, so i wasn't notified of. it.

Naruto=Sasuke in character, and in power. But Naruto> Sasuke, because he changed his ideaology (Which can only be done w/ a combo of power AND respect)

You can kick my ass, but I'm sorry, you will never change MY ideaology. If you did, im a loser. straight up.

You should have clarified this in your first post about Ashura, and in transmigrants. Usually when people say one character>the other, they mean power.

I found it strange for you to think this now when just a few days ago you were they were equal in character,and power.

 

[Desanto]

lol. He sure did derailed the F out of this thread!

Typical response from people who don't like taking the blame.

 

[Nagi]

Ashura had RSM with no ninjutsu. So even with all that power, he was probably just fighting like Kaguya.

Indra had MS with PS and ninjutsu. So he was probably packing some mean tech in his arsenal even with lower raw power.

So the tie kinda makes sense.

That makes sense. Indra got my acknowledgment for taking down a superman with him.

Because he gave him Senjutsu. That doesn't require training as Madara, Obito and Naruto all used the Sage of the Six Paths Mode seimply by acquiring his Senjutsu. That passed on.

Not making sense. You got have a body that can handle senjutsu like Naruto and Hashi or have precious chakra control like Madara or Sasuke. So therefore, Ashura had a very strong body.

 

[Desanto]

You replied to the thread itself, not my specific quote, so i wasn't notified of. it.



You should have clarified this in your first post about Ashura, and in transmigrants. Usually when people say one character>the other, they mean power.

I found it strange for you to think this now when just a few days ago you were they were equal in character,and power.

You're only half right. I think Naruto=Sasuke but a loss in ideology is a loss man and that makes Naruto superior... Admit it. If I changed your whole way of thinking to benefit my team, you'd be at a loss too. That's all i'm saying.

 

[shelke]

Not making sense. You got have a body that can handle senjutsu like Naruto and Hashi or have precious chakra control like Madara or Sasuke. So therefore, Ashura had a very strong body.

Hey, I am telling you what the manga and data book are stating. These aren't my opinions. RSM also gives a heightened state of mind and provides the knowledge and skill for Chakra Control - all mentioned in DB.

 

[Dantee]

if Ashura didn't inherited it, then how Hashi and Naruto have enough life-force for sage mode and wood release? You see the problem that is being created here right? You don't build up a god-like life force from training.

you know the sage can pass on powers just like he did for naruto/sasuke and the rest of the world when he spread ninshuu

 

[Nagi]

You're only half right. I think Naruto=Sasuke but a loss in ideology is a loss man and that makes Naruto superior... Admit it. If I changed your whole way of thinking to benefit my team, you'd be at a loss too. That's all i'm saying.

How is sasuke is at loss, when his ideology was to play hokage in the shadow. Naruto stayed in the village as the hokage and keep the people together, while sasuke travel all by himself and solo whatever darkness he can find as a threat to the shinobi world. So in the sense, Sasuke got to do what he wanted to do from the start. Play hokage in the shadow!

The only thing that Naruto want from Sasuke is to let him know that he don't need to be lone wolf by himself. In that sense, Sasuke lightweight got what he wanted. But this way, he got friends to fall back on if he ever need help *hint* upcoming movie *hint*.

 

[Nagi]

you know the sage can pass on powers just like he did for naruto/sasuke and the rest of the world when he spread ninshuu

Yeah. which is why i'm thinking he secretly gave Hashi wood release. Hashi was dumb OP!

Hey, I am telling you what the manga and data book are stating. These aren't my opinions. RSM also gives a heightened state of mind and provides the knowledge and skill for Chakra Control - all mentioned in DB.

Kishi need to sit down and fix up a new DB and explain shit the right way.

 

[Desanto]

How is sasuke is at loss, when his ideology was to play hokage in the shadow. Naruto stayed in the village as the hokage and keep the people together, while sasuke travel all by himself and solo whatever darkness he can find as a threat to the shinobi world.

The only thing that Naruto want from Sasuke is to let him know that he don't need to be lone wolf by himself. In that sense, Sasuke lightweight got what he wanted. But this way, he got friends to fall back on if he ever need help *hint* upcoming movie *hint*.

In that case then, why did sasuke say "I Lost"? Now you're saying that Sasuke didn't lose his ideaology and lowkey got what he wanted...which brings me to saying, what did he lose in then? According to you... Cause if Sasuke would have "won" Naruto would be dead along with the other Kage.

 

[Nagi]

In that case then, why did sasuke say "I Lost"? Now you're saying that Sasuke didn't lose his ideaology and lowkey got what he wanted...which brings me to saying, what did he lose in then? According to you... Cause if Sasuke would have "won" Naruto would be dead along with the other Kage.

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When I read that fight. Sasuke asked Naruto if he still want to fight in that condition. Naruto said yeah. So Sasuke basiclly smiled and said, "F it. You win! I'm tired of this BS. Your shinobi world. Do whatever the F you want. I'm done with this world. Taking my butt home to my family in the inpure world".

Then he told him "I acknowledge you and give my rinnegan to Kashi to undo the IT."

At this point, this is very clear. He is tired. He see no point in going any further. He welcomed Death right there. He also said the destiny that the sage of six paths bounded them with will end with his death.

Do you understand this? This is no "I lost in ideology"

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Look at it. That is a "I lost" as in I'm done with this world. I don't care anymore. Kill me and get it over with!

Naruto didn't win shit here. Sasuke just got tired of dancing with him. He basically said F life!

What type of person smile and said they lost? Only a person who welcome death to their life! Dude was about die smiling just like Itachi, 3rd hokage, Jman, 4th hokage, and Madara!

 

[The Demon Hawk]

So Kishi nerfed the Uchiha clan while the senji clan didn't get any type of side effects?

They're equally nerfed if you ask me. Relate the colors.

Indra's transmigrants were nerfed compared to Indra due to not possessing similarly powerful Sage chakra i.e. Sasuke's EMS is equal to Indra's MS, and his regular MS is inferior to Indra's MS and has side effects of blindness which Indra didn't have. To equal that i.e. similar power to Indra's MS and removal of blindness, Sasuke needed Itachi's eyes.

But so were Ashura's transmigrants nerfed compared to Ashura for the very same reason i.e Naruto's BSM is equal to Ashura's SM, and his regular SM is inferior to Ashura's SM and can't even create the chakra shroud which Ashura could create. To equal that i.e. similar power to Ashura's SM and creation of chakra shroud, Naruto needed Kurama.

After gaining Sage chakra, both Naruto and Sasuke presumably got stronger than Ashura and Indra respectively because they got their ancestor's actual chakra in addition to the transmigration chakra due to which Sasuke's PS got upgraded from regular PS (presumably equal to Indra's PS) to the so called BijuuPS (presumably stronger than Indra's PS) and Naruto's Kurama Avatar got upgraded from regular Kurama Avatar (presumably equal to Ashura's much smaller 3 faced Avatar) to 3 faced Kurama Avatar (presumably stronger than Ashura's much smaller 3 faced Avatar).

 

[Desanto]

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When I read that fight. Sasuke asked Naruto if he still want to fight in that condition. Naruto said yeah. So Sasuke basiclly smiled and said, "F it. You win! I'm tired of this BS. Your shinobi world. Do whatever the F you want. I'm done with this world. Taking my butt home to my family in the inpure world".

Then he told him "I acknowledge you and give my rinnegan to Kashi to undo the IT."

At this point, this is very clear. He is tired. He see no point in going any further. He welcomed Death right there. He also said the destiny that the sage of six paths bounded them with will end with his death.

Do you understand this? This is no "I lost in ideology"

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Look at it. That is a "I lost" as in I'm done with this world. I don't care anymore. Kill me and get it over with!

Naruto didn't win shit here. Sasuke just got tired of dancing with him. He basically said F life!

What type of person smile and said they lost? Only a person who welcome death to their life! Dude was about die smiling just like Itachi, 3rd hokage, Jman, 4th hokage, and Madara!

Naruto's ideology won dude, get over it. Had it not, Sasuke would have had HIS way.

Sasuke didn't want to fight anymore..He was genuinely surprised that Narutos will was THAT strong, to keep going, that's why he smirked.. but you don't get it. I gotta go, see ya around.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You're only half right. I think Naruto=Sasuke but a loss in ideology is a loss man and that makes Naruto superior... Admit it. If I changed your whole way of thinking to benefit my team, you'd be at a loss too. That's all i'm saying.

I'm not denying Sasuke lost an ideology, but he does seem significantly ahead of Naruto, hence Gaiden, and without a doubt Sasuke has alwaysed surpassed Naruto in skill.

Ideology - Naruto>Sasuke - everything else, nope.

 

[Desanto]

I'm not denying Sasuke lost an ideology, but he does seem significantly ahead of Naruto, hence Gaiden, and without a doubt Sasuke has alwaysed surpassed Naruto in skill.

Ideology - Naruto>Sasuke - everything else, nope.

Naruto and Sasuke have always been catching up to each other man. Seriously, you just don't want to admit it. Naruto's superior. Will always be. I already gave you examples.

How is Sasuke superior if they tied? No, theyre EQUAL.

Both characters are equally important to the Manga. Equal.

The only difference is that Naruto's ideology skycraped Sasuke's. So in the end, Naruto won.

Gaiden is just paving the path to the movie. If the movie shows no improvement from Naruto, I will personally comment on you page and admit Sasuke is superior. But ofc, that probably won't.. Since naruto has always shown growth after sasuke does.

 

[TheSages456]

indra never possessed six paths chakra. im not sure where that idiocy came from.

hagoromo gave power to asura. that much is stated.

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six paths sage mode asura=indra

 

[Nagi]

Sasuke didn't want to fight anymore..He was genuinely surprised that Narutos will was THAT strong, to keep going, that's why he smirked.. but you don't get it. I gotta go, see ya around.

Smh. Sasuke had always knew that naruto's will was THAT strong. Matter of fact, this where Kishi F-ed up by making Sasuke go after this revolution plan. Because just like Indra and Madara, Sasuke would keep on fighting until he died and attack again later.

You get what I'm saying? Indra fought Ashura over the leadership. Madara wanted to protect his people and bring the peace that would end all conflicts. What was Sasuke's dream? This whole "hokage" dream was BS and you know it. Like really, could you give me a reason why Sasuke would want to be hokage to the same people that wanted to get rid of his people? You can't say he wanted to become hokage for his brother's sake. Because stopping Madara was all that itachi was really trying to do. Sasuke basically did that by ending the war with Naruto

At this point, I don't see ANY REASON at all for Sasuke wanting to be hokage and protect people that don't like him. This is where Kishi F-ed up on so many levels.

 

[Lord of Order]

Asura inherited the sages physical chakra and life force

That is the same BM avatar Naruto have with extra heads of Kage Bunshins like Naruto's. It probably looks a bit different as Kurama was too young then. Ashura also didn't inherit the Sage's Chakra, Indra did. Which would explain how the sage had to hand over the Ninshuu legacy to him to make the odds even.

Indra was obviously and canonically stronger being the actual heir of Bijuu chakra and the God Tree's Sharingan eye.

 

[Lord of Order]

So did asura have this cloak before he received six paths senjutsu and just gain tsb and knowledge of chakra?Or did he also gain the chakra mode and he only had a powerful power

Yeah.

OP. I believe you are right. However, I still don't think that is kurama cloak. Should be RSM Cloak(whatever that is). As the creator of Ninshuu, Hagaromo pretty much went round distributing chakra and connecting people by this chakra. He is the only person that could do this because he had RSM and therefore Universal knowledge of all charka. Which would mean his heir would also need access to this knowledge so as to continue in the work. Would make sense as to why Indra would want to be the heir to ninshuu so badly. But Hagaromo picked Ashura. Besides, when sasuke wanted to kill Naruto. Hagaromo said something like, "when I gave everything to Ashura, it ended badly. Now I gave something to both, and it still doesn't end well". This pretty much proves he gave some power to Ashura. So Ashura had RSM.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

How exactly? RSM Naruto and Ashura are different people. You are thinking RSM Naruto. There is no indication Ashura had any bijuu chakra in him. That avatar so far as we know is all him. I also wasn't aware Ashura had RSM.

But Ashura had Karuma, what are you talking about...?

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Kurama was a kid basically during this if you remember the flash back