Shinra Tensei cancels Kamui [Must Read!]

[Megatolium]

I'll try to make it really simple without "big words" and actual space-time continuum theories.

Sorry if it doesnt make sense, I tried to make it simpler.

Before I explain this, you should know these:

• Gravity is what keep all matter together, and its what makes the world turn.

• If 2 Blackholes with the same frequencies are next to each other, they both with cancel each other out, if one blackhole has greater frequency as the other, the weaker one will disappear. In some cases, blackholes with same frequencies will merge and cause a violent wave in space. But we will be using earths gravity.

And keep in mind, a blackhole is simply a powerful force that sucks in matter with powerful gravity.

Also I must explain how Shinra Tensei and Kamui work before you can understand this, dont worry I'll try to keep it short.

Shinra Tensei

This jutsu is a repulsive force to push objects away, a gravity defying technique actually. The user of this jutsu becomes the center of gravity. Its counterpart, Bansho Tenin is able to pull and push objects toward the user, the center of gravity. Chibaku Tensei is exactly the same, same properties as a blackhole.

Kamui

Its basically a blackhole, pulling in matter to a unknown destination. Its kinda like a basin filled with water. The water being the matter in the real world, and the drain pipes being the "other dimension", so the plug being the "activation" or Mangekyou Sharingan if you will.

Like Shinra Tensei and counterparts, Kamui has a centre of gravity too. Pulling in any matter at any force (depended on chakra probably).

Ok to the point, how does Shinra Tensei cancel Kamui?

Kamui is a center point of gravity, pulling in gravity at a powerful force. Lets call it A

Shinra Tensei's user is the center point of gravity, pushing out gravity at a powerful force. Lets call it B

If A is stronger than B, the Kamui will work.

If B is stronger than A, it will cancel out.

If A and B is at equal frequences, chances are according to earthly gravity, this will cancel each other out.

And no this is "Kakashi vs Madara" aid its just simple science. And please don't disagree without a explanation, thats just pure ignorance.

 

[Prime Rib]

nope

 

[Darksharinnegan]

doubt it

 

[Punk Hazard]

I see what you're sayingbut I don't think that will work.

 

[phantomlord22]

no way man xd

 

[Megatolium]

I see what you're sayingbut I don't think that will work.

Lol I study physiques, its possible. Thats why you will NEVER have black holes on earth.

 

[-Carnage-]

maybe maybe...

 

[History]

omgawd you blew my mind *****


















For making me laugh kamui is a black how your not pushing it away

 

[naruman]

Lol I study physiques, its possible. Thats why you will NEVER have black holes on earth.

doubt it , if u have studied the right thing , BLACK HOLES ARE CONSTANTLY BEING FORMED IN EARTH ATMOSPHERE , but they are so small that they exist for very very very extremely very small period of time

 

[minatofan234]

what if kakashi made kamui inside of it? all shinra tensie does is repel everything out side of the circle but if kamui was inside of it it might work, just a possible theory and it hasnt shown madara using shinra tensie so we can not assume that he knows how to do it

 

[Megatolium]

doubt it , if u have studied the right thing , BLACK HOLES ARE CONSTANTLY BEING FORMED IN EARTH ATMOSPHERE , but they are so small that they exist for very very very extremely very small period of time

The gravity of earth is too "unbalanced" for big blackholes to form on earth. And what you said is theory of Einstein not fact.

 

[Chatte]

They both are gravity jutsus so might be.
Ah, I didn't like science too much, but Tazilla88 explained it once how both work..

 

[spade3dg]

Real world logic doesnt work in naruto.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I've studied physics too, and I would say that it is possible, in theory, for shinra tensei to canel out Kamui because of its gravitational properties and its ability to affect time and space. However, I think it have to be a very powerful gravitational force and not just the temporary "burst" that pain/nagato has shown because gravity's ability to bend space/time is limited on the amount of mass an object has, or in this case the chakra used to create the wave of gravitational force through the rinnegan.

Kamui actually creates a hole in the space/time continuum that bridges the NV with Obito's dimension, so, in theory, in order to completely cancel it out, Pain/Nagato would have to conjour gravitational energy equivalent or possibly even greater than that of a black hole as it is unknown whether black holes are simply extremely long wells in the fabric of space/time created by the overlydense amount of matter in the singularity that lead to an infinitely small point of oblivion, or whether they create an actual gap between two universes due to its gravitational forces, which would make them wormholes of sorts.

Since the Kamui is also a wormhole/eventhorizon of sorts with a set focus point, that is set by Kakashi, the origin of that point is where Pain/Nagato would have to actually create the focus of Shinra Tensei, otherwise it would simply create a ripple across the actual tear, but not enough to close it completely.

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

wow someone with actual physics knowledge in NB .... i didn't expect that

now there is one problem with this

you are saying both kamui and Shinra Tensei are both similar to black holes ...but Shinra Tensei doesn't fit into that category

Shinra Tensei -> is gravity manipulation ....i.e it creates a stronger gravitational force than that of the earth to move an object toward or away from the center of gravity BUT Shinra Tensei does not create the singularity

on the other hand Kamui can be considered as a black hole bcos -> it bends space and time , it creates a point of singularity to pull an object into another dimension

so kamui has infinite gravitational pull(theoretically) ....but Shinra Tensei has stronger pull than the normal earth's gravity but no where near infinite(again theoretically speaking)

i would say kamui will always have > pull than Shinra Tensei

 

[Megatolium]

I've studied physics too, and I would say that it is possible, in theory, for shinra tensei to canel out Kamui because of its gravitational properties and its ability to affect time and space. However, I think it have to be a very powerful gravitational force and not just the temporary "burst" that pain/nagato has shown because gravity's ability to bend space/time is limited on the amount of mass an object has, or in this case the chakra used to create the wave of gravitational force through the rinnegan.

Kamui actually creates a hole in the space/time continuum that bridges the NV with Obito's dimension, so, in theory, in order to completely cancel it out, Pain/Nagato would have to conjour gravitational energy equivalent or possibly even greater than that of a black hole as it is unknown whether black holes are simply extremely long wells in the fabric of space/time created by the overlydense amount of matter in the singularity that lead to an infinitely small point of oblivion, or whether they create an actual gap between two universes due to its gravitational forces, which would make them wormholes of sorts.

Since the Kamui is also a wormhole/eventhorizon of sorts with a set focus point, that is set by Kakashi, the origin of that point is where Pain/Nagato would have to actually create the focus of Shinra Tensei, otherwise it would simply create a ripple across the actual tear, but not enough to close it completely.

Chibaku Tensei could also do the job, since it seems like an infinite power. But maybe Kishi is thinking the same and might show it to us soon

 

[Megatolium]

wow someone with actual physics knowledge in NB .... i didn't expect that

now there is one problem with this

you are saying both kamui and Shinra Tensei are both similar to black holes ...but Shinra Tensei doesn't fit into that category

Shinra Tensei -> is gravity manipulation ....i.e it creates a stronger gravitational force than that of the earth to move an object toward or away from the center of gravity BUT Shinra Tensei does not create the singularity

on the other hand Kamui can be considered as a black hole bcos -> it bends space and time , it creates a point of singularity to pull an object into another dimension

so kamui has infinite gravitational pull(theoretically) ....but Shinra Tensei has stronger pull than the normal earth's gravity but no where near infinite(again theoretically speaking)

i would say kamui will always have > pull than Shinra Tensei

Theoretically, Kamui isnt infinte. As Physics utilizes gravity, in Naruto, they are using both gravity and chakra. So it would work if Kakashi had unlimited chakra. Even though gravity is infinite, chakra is finite.

 

[Megatolium]

I've studied physics too, and I would say that it is possible, in theory, for shinra tensei to canel out Kamui because of its gravitational properties and its ability to affect time and space. However, I think it have to be a very powerful gravitational force and not just the temporary "burst" that pain/nagato has shown because gravity's ability to bend space/time is limited on the amount of mass an object has, or in this case the chakra used to create the wave of gravitational force through the rinnegan.

Kamui actually creates a hole in the space/time continuum that bridges the NV with Obito's dimension, so, in theory, in order to completely cancel it out, Pain/Nagato would have to conjour gravitational energy equivalent or possibly even greater than that of a black hole as it is unknown whether black holes are simply extremely long wells in the fabric of space/time created by the overlydense amount of matter in the singularity that lead to an infinitely small point of oblivion, or whether they create an actual gap between two universes due to its gravitational forces, which would make them wormholes of sorts.

Since the Kamui is also a wormhole/eventhorizon of sorts with a set focus point, that is set by Kakashi, the origin of that point is where Pain/Nagato would have to actually create the focus of Shinra Tensei, otherwise it would simply create a ripple across the actual tear, but not enough to close it completely.

Nice to see someone on the same page lol

 

[Microsword57]

If this is not correct it's at least plausible. The manga already proved you correct on the point of two blackholes if the same frequency would cancel each other out[

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]. When Obito Cancelled Kakashi's Kamui.

 

[raziel777]

It's a real nice explanation, don't know if it could be true but I know why you are wrong.
Aside from the fact that comparing rinnegan jutsu's force with that of black hole is farfetched, Shinra tensei is nothing like a blackhole : a black basically sucks things in ( light, matter etc... ). That's not how shinra tensei or shibaku tensei works. They work more like a big planet with a strong gravity pull. They only repel (or attract for bansho tenin) things. And that wouldn't cancel space/time distorsion.