Serious Question - How good is Hiruzen? Be realistic

[Souji]

Too bad, Kakashi has Kamui, huh?

True :T_T: but Kamui is pretty OP in general, that's the only reason I'd say Kakashi beats Hiruzen with very high difficulty.

His unique specialty is his understanding of Jutsu.

Being able to copy high ranking bijju sized ninjutsu, and using all chakara natures.

Not to mention he instantly analyzed Juubito's Onmyoudon after seeing it used ONCE.

He is possibly the smartest of the Hokage in terms of analysis and tactics. He smartly uses his (not OP) techniques to their fullest. The Orochimaru fight in part 1 proved that, even in his old age, he was able to outmaneuver an opponent that was far younger and stronger than him at the time, and still bring the fight to a stalemate.

 

[omarsen]

LMFAO, your first scan, how about we take a look at the whole page?

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Orochimaru was saying if Hiruzen was ten years younger he would've been able to completely rip out his soul. Nothing more, nothing less.

Funny how you only focused on the first picture and ignored all the others :XD

1) By your logic Sharingan Sasuke > MS Itachi because he killed him.
2) Can Orochimaru one shot Hashirama known as the God of shinobi along with his Genius and prodigy brother?
3) Master "Five elements"
4) If it was Hiruzen vs Orochimaru alone, Hiruzen would have won mid diff at best.
5) I don't consider Edo as part of the user power, since its calling for help.
6) If Hiruzen was 10 years younger, he wouldn't have used the RDS and were able to take them all without dying.

Enough for today son, go to sleep.

 

[HadouKage]

Funny how you only focused on the first picture and ignored all the others :XD

1) By your logic Sharingan Sasuke > MS Itachi because he killed him.
2) Can Orochimaru one shot Hashirama known as the God of shinobi along with his Genius and prodigy brother?
3) Master "Five elements"
4) If it was Hiruzen vs Orochimaru alone, Hiruzen would have won mid diff at best.
5) I don't consider Edo as part of the user power, since its calling for help.
6) If Hiruzen was 10 years younger, he wouldn't have used the RDS and were able to take them all without dying.

Enough for today son, go to sleep.

1) This has later to have been confirmed true by Itachi and everyone knows this. Hiruzen was outmatched by Oro because of his age

2)How does Hiruzen one shot current Hashi?

3)Ok, nice feat, I guess

4)Speculation

5) Too bad, it is. Just as Hiruzen uses Enma

6) Again, speculation

 

[Trollasaur]

True :T_T: but Kamui is pretty OP in general, that's the only reason I'd say Kakashi beats Hiruzen with very high difficulty.



Not to mention he instantly analyzed Juubito's Onmyoudon after seeing it used ONCE.

He is possibly the smartest of the Hokage in terms of analysis and tactics. He smartly uses his (not OP) techniques to their fullest. The Orochimaru fight in part 1 proved that, even in his old age, he was able to outmaneuver an opponent that was far younger and stronger than him at the time, and still bring the fight to a stalemate.

He actually had to work insanley hard to make himself unique and strong.

Something I "admire" from his character.

 

[Joker]

Funny how you only focused on the first picture and ignored all the others :XD

1) By your logic Sharingan Sasuke > MS Itachi because he killed him.
2) Can Orochimaru one shot Hashirama known as the God of shinobi along with his Genius and prodigy brother?
3) Master "Five elements"
4) If it was Hiruzen vs Orochimaru alone, Hiruzen would have won mid diff at best.
5) I don't consider Edo as part of the user power, since its calling for help.
6) If Hiruzen was 10 years younger, he wouldn't have used the RDS and were able to take them all without dying.

Enough for today son, go to sleep.

I didn't ignore all the others, I just pointed the first one as BS first.
1) That doesn't apply to this battle as seeing Itachi let him win.
2) Hiruzen didn't one shot anything, you're making up feats
3) Kazuzu says hi, also do all Sharingan users
4) The only reason Orochimaru summoned the Hokages was because he wanted to torment Hiruzen
5) Same applies to Hiruzen and Enma; ET is a summoning; Orochimaru didn't even need it anyways
6) Speculation

 

[Souji]

He actually had to work insanley hard to make himself unique and strong.

Something I "admire" from his character.

No borrowed power, no gifts given to him, absolutely nothing. Pure talent and smarts.

That's what make Hiruzen a great character, plus he's wise and inspired the K11 with his death, leaving behind a legacy for the future.

Of course he has his flaws, but he's better than them.

 

[omarsen]

1) This has later to have been confirmed true by Itachi and everyone knows this. Hiruzen was outmatched by Oro because of his age
2)How does Hiruzen one shot current Hashi?
3)Ok, nice feat, I guess
4)Speculation
5) Too bad, it is. Just as Hiruzen uses Enma
6) Again, speculation

1) What?
2) Why are we comparing "current" Hashirama?"
3) you guess? lol
4) Fine as u wish
5) as u wish
6) as u wish

I didn't ignore all the others, I just pointed the first one as BS first.
1) That doesn't apply to this battle as seeing Itachi let him win.
2) Hiruzen didn't one shot anything, you're making up feats
3) Kazuzu says hi, also do all Sharingan users
4) The only reason Orochimaru summoned the Hokages was because he wanted to torment Hiruzen
5) Same applies to Hiruzen and Enma; ET is a summoning; Orochimaru didn't even need it anyways
6) Speculation

1) fine, was just pointing your logic there.
2) If this is not 1 shot the brothers i dunno what is 1shot.

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3) Kazuzu didn't master sht on his own, and used hearts inorder do the nature release, and SHARIHAN USERS? bwahaha, show me which Sharingan user was able to master the Five elements
4) It doesn't matter what he wanted to do, he called for help, and without the Edo he wouldn't have won.
5) Didn't need? cmon now
6) Orochimaru stated that he would have been able to kill him if he was 10 years younger

 

[tracytracy22]

Ok girls & guys, i want your realistic thoughts on Hiruzen. No hype talk or unrealistic feat-lists, i wanna know how good you think he really is? (at his very best)

My thoughts are he is a top 10 character, but no where close to the likes of Hashirama & Madara, maybe close to Tobirama or Minato?

As of the latest chapter, I'd say he's the most skilled ninjutsu user ever. Hashirama and Madara obviously trump him when it comes to sheer strength and scale of techniques but Hiruzen has the superior skill and versatility. He may not be living up to his god of shinobi hype but he's definitely living up to his professor hype after his recent display of being able to use all 5 elements. Maybe thats why he was called god of shinobi - because of his unparalleled skills.

 

[Owarij]

Hype is mostly all he has at this point ...

He's High Kage. Supposedly he's the strongest kage of his time.. even if you disregard the hokage ranking statement... he's still left with a rumored arsenal of 1000 + genjutsu , ninjutsu and taijutsu each , perfect databook score, massive chakra reserves, shadow clone usage , 5 element types and Enma? he'd be a monster on the battlefield with just elemental combination attacks flying from every side .. throw in genjutsu usage like Bringer of darkness and he easily shoots up to at least top 13

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Hiruzen is only good at throwing shuriken, Tiles, using kid like fire,water,wind jutsus. The best Tech so far from Hiruzen was RDS and that was copied from Minato. Other Feats of Hiruzen are catching the butt of monkey and hitting around others with monkey face.

 

[HadouKage]

1) What?
2) Why are we comparing "current" Hashirama?"
3) you guess? lol
4) Fine as u wish
5) as u wish
6) as u wish

2)Hiruzen committed suicide after struggling with a weakened Edo
4) As I wish? Oro was basically Immortal and that is true now, as you can see that he is alive. This is speculation because we never seen Oro go all out
5) Rinnegan, Sharigan. Edos are a part of someone's power just as summonings, bijuu and dojutsu are
6) Speculation

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Now that he is old.He don't have ENMA as well because that monkey is already dead

 

[Joker]

1) What?
2) Why are we comparing "current" Hashirama?"
3) you guess? lol
4) Fine as u wish
5) as u wish
6) as u wish


1) fine, was just pointing your logic there.
2) If this is not 1 shot the brothers i dunno what is 1shot.

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3) Kazuzu didn't master sht on his own, and used hearts inorder do the nature release, and SHARIHAN USERS? bwahaha, show me which Sharingan user was able to master the Five elements
4) It doesn't matter what he wanted to do, he called for help, and without the Edo he wouldn't have won.
5) Didn't need? cmon now
6) Orochimaru stated that he would have been able to kill him if he was 10 years younger

You're retarded.
1) It failed to apply to this situation
2) That's not a one shot, one shot is when you dispose of someone right of the bat
3) Kazuzu did it, stop trying to debunk him; and Sharingan users can't copy any technique whether it be a different nature
4) Speculation once again; Orochimaru ONLY summoned them to torture Hiruzen; he even stated he was toying with him;

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5) Look at four
6) Oochimaru was saying that in the case of the RDS nothing more.

 

[xcoyote]

Hiruzen is only good at throwing shuriken, Tiles, using kid like fire,water,wind jutsus. The best Tech so far from Hiruzen was RDS and that was copied from Minato. Other Feats of Hiruzen are catching the butt of monkey and hitting around others with monkey face.

Does the hype scare you?

 

[omarsen]

2)Hiruzen committed suicide after struggling with a weakened Edo
4) As I wish? Oro was basically Immortal and that is true now, as you can see that he is alive. This is speculation because we never seen Oro go all out
5) Rinnegan, Sharigan. Edos are a part of someone's power just as summonings, bijuu and dojutsu are
6) Speculation

Orochimaru is immortal but can still be sealed, and itachi did win over him in one panel, but now lets not get Itachi in the picture ok?
if you consider ET is part of user power, then its up 2 u, cus i don't
Never seen oro go all out? Hiruzen was the one who trained Orochimaru and know every jutsu and how his fightstyle is in and out.
6) ....

Now that he is old.He don't have ENMA as well because that monkey is already dead

Your statement is invalid

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[HadouKage]

Orochimaru is immortal but can still be sealed, and itachi did win over him in one panel, but now lets not get Itachi in the picture ok?
if you consider ET is part of user power, then its up 2 u, cus i don't
Never seen oro go all out? Hiruzen was the one who trained Orochimaru and know every jutsu and how his fightstyle is in and out.
6) ....
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Your statement is invalid

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1) We're talking about Hyped UP Hiruzen, let's just keep it at him k? Obviously, you don't understand examples

2) It doesn't matter what you think what is considered power or not because the manga (what actually matters) disagrees with you anyway

3) But yet, couldn't stop Edo Tensei except by committing suicide. Manga facts don't tell us he knew about Oral Rebirth

4) Yes speculation

 

[~Sky~]

Mid-tier Akatsuki level.

 

[omarsen]

1) We're talking about Hyped UP Hiruzen, let's just keep it at him k? Obviously, you don't understand examples

2) It doesn't matter what you think what is considered power or not because the manga (what actually matters) disagrees with you anyway

3) But yet, couldn't stop Edo Tensei except by committing suicide. Manga facts don't tell us he knew about Oral Rebirth

4) Yes speculation

are you kidding me? do you want the MANGA TO STATE EVERYTHING in order for you to belive it? Madara has mastered the "Five elemtns" because of Rinnegan but he never showed them. We ASSUME that he is capable of it.

Hiruzen doesn't know about Oral Rebirth? bahahahaha
Hiruzen know every jutsu out there in Konoha and out of it. He mention Jinton and its out of Konoha

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[slaton02]

out of top 20

possibly/assume top 20 maybe 15

 

[HadouKage]

are you kidding me? do you want the MANGA TO STATE EVERYTHING in order for you to belive it? Madara has mastered the "Five elemtns" because of Rinnegan but he never showed them. We ASSUME that he is capable of it.

Hiruzen doesn't know about Oral Rebirth? bahahahaha
Hiruzen know every jutsu out there in Konoha and out of it. He mention Jinton and its out of Konoha

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Your reply makes absolutely no sense

I can say Hiruzen knows Sussano since the Uchiha reside in the Leaf, does that make it true? Definitely not. Rinnegan never said to grant you with the ability to MASTER all five affinities only just to USE them

Your scan makes no sense, how does that mean he knows about Oral Rebirth? Hiruzen is analytical