Serious Question - How good is Hiruzen? Be realistic

startup97

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LMFAO, your first scan, how about we take a look at the whole page?
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Orochimaru was saying if Hiruzen was ten years younger he would've been able to completely rip out his soul. Nothing more, nothing less.

Enough. Orochimaru needed 2 Edo Hokages and a barrier to feel confident enough to kill an Old Hiruzen. Prime Hiruzen rapes.
 

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lol kakuzu did it, so did pain, and kakashi - 5 elements isnt that impressive - it just takes skill/knowledge

No, Kakuzu has only used 4. Kakashi has only used 3. And Nagato/Pain has only used 4, though he's supposed to be able to use all 5 due to the Rinnegan.

Hiruzen is the first ninja we've seen to accomplish learning all 5 elements through skill alone, too. Kakuzu had to alter his body just to accomplish 4.
 

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Even Yamato beats him. Having 5 elements is only skill and experience. He can only use it alive as well.

He is around top 25.
 
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