Serious Question - How good is Hiruzen? Be realistic

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Ok girls & guys, i want your realistic thoughts on Hiruzen. No hype talk or unrealistic feat-lists, i wanna know how good you think he really is? (at his very best)

My thoughts are he is a top 10 character, but no where close to the likes of Hashirama & Madara, maybe close to Tobirama or Minato?

 

[The Necromancer]

He's exactly at Kakashi's level without Kamui.

 

[fati]

My opinion: he definitely is on the same grade as other hokages

 

[Trollasaur]

He's exactly at Kakashi's level without Kamui.

I want to see Kakashi take on the buddah.

 

[Avinash012]

Hiruzen ain't top 10 that much is sure.

And the people that can definitely beat him IMO are

Obito
Madara
Hashirama
Tobirama
Minato
Itachi
Sasuke
Naruto
Nagato
DSM Kabuto
Jiraya
Orochimaru

He's exactly at Kakashi's level without Kamui.

Even Old Hiruzen beats him without Kamui.
Kakashi ain't a joke but I can't see him taking on Sarutobi.

 

[The Necromancer]

I want to see Kakashi take on the buddah.

Edo Kakashi easily takes on the Buddah.

 

[Trollasaur]

Edo Kakashi easily takes on the Buddah.

lol if were talking feats no he gets shitted on without Kamui...

 

[fati]

Hiruzen's power is between what his haters and his fanboys believe it is

 

[omarsen]

He's exactly at Kakashi's level without Kamui.

bahahaha this fodder is mad

Hiruzen title God of Shinobi
Hiruzen the professor
Hiruzen the Genius

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[The Necromancer]

lol if were talking feats no he gets shitted on without Kamui...

Debatable. I highly doubt it. I'm giving Hiruzen the benefit of the doubt with this ranking.

 

[Avinash012]

Edo Kakashi easily takes on the Buddah.

As if EDO's can do anything beyond their limits.

EDO tensei won't increase ur strength,Kakashi ain't doing anything to Budha with Chidori.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Although Hiruzen is very skilled ninja but not on 1st and 2nd level...
Its a fact that hiruzen was a strongest kage or shinobi of his time but time not be same and he murdered by a man who was even owned by chunin naruto and chunin sasuke :dunno:

That old hiruzen was hiding his ass since last 15 chapters and now he came to fight with spiral zetsu( below fodder level creature) ....

 

[Trollasaur]

Debatable. I highly doubt it. I'm giving Hiruzen the benefit of the doubt with this ranking.

Hiruzen has a better chance at beating the buddah than kamui less kakashi that's for sure.

 

[Troyg39]

He's a top 10 caliber character.

Also note that unlike other members, I feel that there are a number of ninja who are top 10 material, even if some wouldn't put them on their personal top 10 list.

There are only about 7 OP characters, and I wouldn't consider Hiruzen to be OP, so I could see him fitting into that bottom 8-10 spot and it be acceptable.

Hype and all that jazz aside, he's shown to have exceptional potential. Being the only non-Rinnegan user I know of who can use all 5 elements is impressive enough

 

[The Necromancer]

As if EDO's can do anything beyond their limits.

EDO tensei won't increase ur strength,Kakashi ain't doing anything to Budha with Chidori.

Except extend Hiruzen's chakra usage to the point where he could use 4 clones and S-rank elemental techniques, where as in life he could barely use 2 elements and 2 shadow clones before dying.

He's a top 10 caliber character.

Also note that unlike other members, I feel that there are a number of ninja who are top 10 material, even if some wouldn't put them on their personal top 10 list.

There are only about 7 OP characters, and I wouldn't consider Hiruzen to be OP, so I could see him fitting into that bottom 8-10 spot and it be acceptable.

Hype and all that jazz aside, he's shown to have exceptional potential. Being the only non-Rinnegan user I know of who can use all 5 elements is impressive enough

Kakuzu likely could as well as Orochimaru and most likely Kakashi. Although never showcased.

 

[Avinash012]

Except extend Hiruzen's chakra usage to the point where he could use 4 clones and S-rank elemental techniques, where as in life he could barely use 2 elements and 2 shadow clones before dying.

I don't remember him running out of chakra during his battle with Oro,regardless,my point is that he can spam his jutsu's but he can't perform a stronger jutsu than his alive self.
Sarutobi has stronger jutsu than Kakashi to deal with Budha where as everything Kakashi can do is spamming Chidori.

 

[Joker]

Necromancer's turning up

 

[Trollasaur]

Except extend Hiruzen's chakra usage to the point where he could use 4 clones and S-rank elemental techniques, where as in life he could barely use 2 elements and 2 shadow clones before dying.



Kakuzu likely could as well as Orochimaru and most likely Kakashi. Although never showcased.

Kakazu wasn't even human anymore, Kakashi could though maybe from copying all them jutsu.

 

[Troyg39]

Kakuzu likely could as well as Orochimaru and most likely Kakashi. Although never showcased.

Well I should've better clarified but the point of being a non-rinnegan user also went towards Hiruzen being the only one I know of who could so without the aid of something special, which would include special eyes, stolen hearts, body experiments, etc. That's what makes it impressive although you are correct there are others. Kakashi I'm not sure about. If I'm not mistaken 3 or 4 was considered a stretch even for a jonin

 

[omarsen]

Except extend Hiruzen's chakra usage to the point where he could use 4 clones and S-rank elemental techniques, where as in life he could barely use 2 elements and 2 shadow clones before dying.

You do realise how pathetic you look when you use Edo as an excuse to put Hiruzen down.

Edit: Tobirama stated alive form > Edo form

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