Sasuke is worse than Obito and Madara ever were

[Darth Uchiha]

But Infinite Tsukuyomi would last forever, at least in a dictatorship people can rebel. But I see your point.

My point was that, people wouldn't care, they wouldn't even know, they'd be in their own personal paradise, and that's all that matters.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I notice you aren't answering the issue of how Sasuke is going to overthrow the ninja system peacefully without killing anyone.

With the kage gone for all intent and purposes there is no system.. History could be written any way Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura say it is

Ex. Madara killed them, let us unite in mourning them and move forward into a new era of peace

 

[saw2097]

With the kage gone for all intent and purposes there is no system.. History could be written any way Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura say it is

Oh and Naruto is going to go along with Sasuke's plan that involves the death of the Five Kage, some of which he considers friends, because?

Oh and nobody will of course question Sasuke taking control of all five tailed beasts.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

With the kage gone for all intent and purposes there is no system.. History could be written any way Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura say it is

Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi would never stand beside Sasuke.

 

[Senju Bean]

No, he'd probably put all who opposed him in death camps eventually. And, yes, I don't care if the battlefield is bloody, my father, grandfather, and great grandfather all served. I'd rather die fighting as a soldier, than die tortured as a prisoner.

But what if it isn't the option between dying on the battlefield and being tortured as a prisoner?

What if it's between these two options?

1) Dying on the battlefield painfully and slowly

2) Having to follow new rules. Kinda like having a new law passed in town. Kinda like in today's society.

 

[Waltz]

How is it fake happiness? Happiness is an emotion, and has nothing to do with reality. If I have a good dream I'm happy in the dream, doesn't matter if it's real or not.

Edit: Also, I mean long term goals, for Obito and Madara it is never ending happiness, for Sasuke it is dictatorship.

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme Genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

The infinite Tsukuyomi has the same foundation, however appears to be fixed as it functions by sorting all the information in the victims subconscious mind to result in an endless array of benevolent occurrences; a good dream that lasts forever which inevitably results in a change in emotions. If an individual had a dream that affected their emotions to a great extent, then this may affect their behavior when they 'wake up' (something I'm sure we have all experienced at some point) and this interprets that the dream affected your subconscious mind and at that extent also determines your behavior when you wake up in reality.

However, the root of the dream is the Casters Infinite Tsukuyomi which is designed to fabricate such fake occurrences in the mind. The happiness cannot be real if it was all a fabricated dream. It's been theorized that 'dreams' serve the purpose of organizing the information you received throughout the day in your subconscious mind; assuming this is true, everything experienced within the Infiinite Tsukuyomi must be, fake. ​

 

[Stxluciferr]

Oh and Naruto is going to go along with Sasuke's plan that involves the death of the Five Kage, some of which he considers friends, because?

Oh and nobody will of course question Sasuke taking control of all five tailed beasts.

Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi would never stand beside Sasuke.

Again if Sasuke wins and kills the kage, for the sake of peace Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi will have no choice but to let it go. Unless they're willing to start another major war after he's already done the deed. And again with the massacre being kept hush hush they've already shown they are not willing to allow chaos for the sake of truth

 

[Darth Uchiha]

But what if it isn't the option between dying on the battlefield and being tortured as a prisoner?

What if it's between these two options?

1) Dying on the battlefield painfully and slowly

2) Having to follow new rules. Kinda like having a new law passed in town. Kinda like in today's society.

New rules I have no say in, taking away all of my freedoms because some former terrorist says that's the way? I'd rather go down taking the bastard with me.

 

[Anorien16]

He has watched people like his brother suffer. He is not different from Obito/Madara. You can even say hes more righteous than those 2. THose 2 were hypocrites in a way, Sasuke is simply going to change the current system and establish a new one.

He may be right in his desire (So was Obito and Madara) is not starting off in the correct manner actually .... He is making the same mistake Itachi warned Naruto of, never try to shoulder all the burden alone. Not to mention people like Tsunade Gaara and Mei (perhaps even Onoki and Ay) could have actually helped create a united alliance, if not his Genjutsu might have been used for persuasive reasons or Naruto could have helped convincing. He wants to change the system but neither He nor Naruto has any administrative knowledge or the acceptance of the people. And with Sasuke's attitude he just might be the type who would silence opposition. I think the manga speaks for itself, he is leading a revolution with only Criminals, Ustable misfits and Psycopaths (Orochimaru and co.) as his supporters.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Again if Sasuke wins and kills the kage, for the sake of peace Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi will have no choice but to let it go. Unless they're willing to start another major war after he's already done the deed. And again with the massacre being kept hush hush they've already shown they are not willing to allow chaos for the sake of truth

They kept the massacre hush hush because that's what Itachi wanted, because he knew people would eventually blame the Uchiha. And, no, Naruto would fight to the last breath to protect his friends and the newfound inter connectivity between the nations, as would Kakshi, and, yes, even Sakura.

 

[Senju Bean]

New rules I have no say in, taking away all of my freedoms because some former terrorist says that's the way? I'd rather go down taking the bastard with me.

New rules that are very reasonable? New rules that wouldn't break your back to follow? New rules that wouldn't even be discomforting to follow?


If they say no texting while driving, is it really going to kill you to follow that rule, even if you hate it? You currently have no say in that law, yet would you fight over it?

 

[saw2097]

Again if Sasuke wins and kills the kage, for the sake of peace Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi will have no choice but to let it go. Unless they're willing to start another major war after he's already done the deed. And again with the massacre being kept hush hush they've already shown they are not willing to allow chaos for the sake of truth

Oh so Naruto will just let the fact that a friend and someone who views as a mother figure were killed by Sasuke go.

Sasuke is already willing to kill five Kage for his new world order, that isn't the kind of person that stops killing. That is the kind of person that kills everyone who gets in his way.

You just don't want to view Sasuke as a bad person, and you are absolutely ridiculous to think that they won't tell everyone what Sasuke has done.

And people will step down and do what he says just because the five Kage aren't around anymore, new ones will be elected, there are other countries and other leaders.

 

[Conspirator.]

The infinite Tsukuyomi has the same foundation, however appears to be fixed as it functions by sorting all the information in the victims subconscious mind to result in an endless array of benevolent occurrences; a good dream that lasts forever which inevitably results in a change in emotions. If an individual had a dream that affected their emotions to a great extent, then this may affect their behavior when they 'wake up' (something I'm sure we have all experienced at some point) and this interprets that the dream affected your subconscious mind and at that extent also determines your behavior when you wake up in reality.

However, the root of the dream is the Casters Infinite Tsukuyomi which is designed to fabricate such fake occurrences in the mind. The happiness cannot be real if it was all a fabricated dream. It's been theorized that 'dreams' serve the purpose of organizing the information you received throughout the day in your subconscious mind; assuming this is true, everything experienced within the Infiinite Tsukuyomi must be, fake. ​

This is very true I think.

OT: No he's not.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

New rules that are very reasonable? New rules that wouldn't break your back to follow? New rules that wouldn't even be discomforting to follow?


If they say no texting while driving, is it really going to kill you to follow that rule, even if you hate it? You currently have no say in that law, yet would you fight over it?

Reasonable, coming from Sasuke? Give me a break.

 

[Senju Bean]

Reasonable, coming from Sasuke? Give me a break.

He is probably going to disband the nations along with banning Ninjutsu.


Other than that, I don't see him doing anything too extreme.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

He is probably going to disband the nations along with banning Ninjutsu.


Other than that, I don't see him doing anything too extreme.

What manga have you been reading for the past 15 years?

 

[Stxluciferr]

They kept the massacre hush hush because that's what Itachi wanted, because he knew people would eventually blame the Uchiha. And, no, Naruto would fight to the last breath to protect his friends and the newfound inter connectivity between the nations, as would Kakshi, and, yes, even Sakura.

No, they had no idea what Itachi wanted. Kakashi told them to keep it wrapped up because of what the truth getting out there would do. And my point is if Sasuke wins and then kills them, there isn't anything to defend, the kages and bijuu would already be gone. From that point Kakashi, Sakura, and Naruto would have to turn their backs to peace by turning to revenge. Naruto isn't about that revenge life. And Kakashi will do what is necessary to move the world forward

 

[Beyond the Horizon]

I agree with you to an extent. The thing is that Madara and Obito, while having a very honorable goal (in my opinion), they went about it terribly. Sasuke's doing the same thing-- going about it in a way that's a bit more extreme than necessary. But that doesnt mean his goal is selfish either. Wanting to change the entire system is Sasuke's goal because he believes it's currently corrupt and that it truly requires change. Personally I find myself able to respect Madara and Obito's goal more.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

No, they had no idea what Itachi wanted. Kakashi told them to keep wrapped up because of what the truth getting out there would do. And my point is if Sasuke wins and then kills them, there isn't anything to defend, the kages and bijuu would already be gone. From that point Kakashi, Sakura, and Naruto would have to turn their backs to peace by turning to revenge. Naruto isn't about that revenge life. And Kakashi will do what is necessary to move to world forward

Itachi outright said to keep it a secret in order to keep the Uchiha name untainted. Also, after seeing what Sasuke was willing to do for power, do you think they would stand back and let him take over the world? It wouldn't be about saving the bijuu and kage from Sasuke, it would be about saving everyone else from a power-hungry maniac.

 

[saw2097]

No, they had no idea what Itachi wanted. Kakashi told them to keep it wrapped up because of what the truth getting out there would do. And my point is if Sasuke wins and then kills them, there isn't anything to defend, the kages and bijuu would already be gone. From that point Kakashi, Sakura, and Naruto would have to turn their backs to peace by turning to revenge. Naruto isn't about that revenge life. And Kakashi will do what is necessary to move to world forward

Yes they will do what's necessary by stopping Sasuke.

They just sacrificed over 40,000 people to stop one world domination plan, they aren't going to just sit back and let Sasuke do what he wants.