Sasuke is worse than Obito and Madara ever were

[Darth Uchiha]

Happiness is nothing if it's fake.What do you think will happen when those trapped in IT are released and find out none of it was real?

How is it fake happiness? Happiness is an emotion, and has nothing to do with reality. If I have a good dream I'm happy in the dream, doesn't matter if it's real or not.

Edit: Also, I mean long term goals, for Obito and Madara it is never ending happiness, for Sasuke it is dictatorship.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I don't think you understand the concept of a revolution.

And currently is planning to start with six, the Five Kage and Naruto, then how many more people will he have to kill to change the system?

The killing won't stop, he will have to subjugate the alliance, along with the other villages and nations which will lead to thousands of deaths.

A revolution is simply forcibly overthrowing a government or social order in order to establish a new system or order. Everyone is still in IT meaning no one would know Sasuke got rid of them, which quells any need for retaliation by the people of the different villages. Sasuke has already agreed to free everyone from IT, and he knows he needs Naruto to do it, meaning he doesn't have the intention to kill him

 

[Darth Uchiha]

A revolution is simply forcibly overthrowing a government or social order in order to establish a new system or order. Everyone is still in IT meaning no one would know Sasuke got rid of them, which quells any need for retaliation by the people of the different villages. Sasuke has already agreed to free everyone from IT, and he knows he needs Naruto to do it, meaning he doesn't have the intention to kill him

So, when Sasuke returns alone, claiming that he needs to lead, you really think nobody will figure it out?

 

[Senju Bean]

I'd rather die on the battlefield as a soldier, than die in a camp as a prisoner, just saying.

The battlefield is bloody and painful. Often it's a slow torturous death.


Sasuke isn't going to throw everyone in camps. He would place heavy restrictions in learning ninjutsu and have all weapons seazed, but thats about it.

 

[saw2097]

A revolution is simply forcibly overthrowing a government or social order in order to establish a new system or order. Everyone is still in IT meaning no one would know Sasuke got rid of them, which quells any need for retaliation by the people of the different villages. Sasuke has already agreed to free everyone from IT, and he knows he needs Naruto to do it, meaning he doesn't have the intention to kill him

Do you honestly think that Kakashi, Sakura, or Naruto wouldn't tell everyone what Sasuke has done?

And overthrowing the government, when does that happen peacefully, for his revolution he would have to overthrow every government. Do you honestly believe the governments will just step down and do what he says because he asked nicely?

Oh and he has to force his system on every village in existence.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How is it fake happiness? Happiness is an emotion, and has nothing to do with reality. If I have a good dream I'm happy in the dream, doesn't matter if it's real or not.

Edit: Also, I mean long term goals, for Obito and Madara it is never ending happiness, for Sasuke it is dictatorship.

Yes,but what happens when those people find out their happiness was manufactured?They will either be angry or sad depending on the person.

 

[Stxluciferr]

So, when Sasuke returns alone, claiming that he needs to lead, you really think nobody will figure it out?

Sasuke doesn't seem intent to kill Naruto, Sakura, or Kakashi, as long as none of them say anything it's like nothing ever happened. All of them were willing to keep the Uchiha massacre hush hush for the sake of avoiding the fall out

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Sasuke doesn't seem intent to kill Naruto, Sakura, or Kakashi, as long as none of them say anything it's like nothing ever happened. All of them were willing to keep the Uchiha massacre hush hush for the sake of avoiding the fall out

Except Naruto clearly plans to fight him and Sakura and Kakashi clearly oppose his view.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yes,but what happens when those people find out their happiness was manufactured?They will either be angry or sad depending on the person.

You're missing my point, Obito and Madara assumed people would never leave.

 

[saw2097]

Sasuke doesn't seem intent to kill Naruto, Sakura, or Kakashi, as long as none of them say anything it's like nothing ever happened. All of them were willing to keep the Uchiha massacre hush hush for the sake of avoiding the fall out

What on Earth gives you the impression that they will be silent?

And again, how is Sasuke going to enact his revolution, he has to overthrow the governments, is he going to ask nicely and they will step down?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The battlefield is bloody and painful. Often it's a slow torturous death.


Sasuke isn't going to throw everyone in camps. He would place heavy restrictions in learning ninjutsu and have all weapons seazed, but thats about it.

No, he'd probably put all who opposed him in death camps eventually. And, yes, I don't care if the battlefield is bloody, my father, grandfather, and great grandfather all served. I'd rather die fighting as a soldier, than die tortured as a prisoner.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Except Naruto clearly plans to fight him and Sakura and Kakashi clearly oppose his view.

If Naruto falls, for the sake of peace they'll have no choice but to follow along

 

[Scooby Doo]

Not really worse, but not that different either. They all go against people's will. They follow the "for the people, but without them" principle, that never works out.

 

[Dannie]

I'm comparing his plan to Obito's. His would result in never ending violence, whereas Obito and Madara's didn't.

Sasuke's goal, whether you like it or not would be reality, whereas Obito's and Madara's goals would be nothing more than illusions. Good to know that you believe that a fake dream is better than real life situations.

So what if Madara achieved the IT and they actually lives in their little dream world? What then? You live in a dream world for the rest of time? Your ideology is nothing but lollipops and rainbows, which is not the case.

 

[Stxluciferr]

What on Earth gives you the impression that they will be silent?

And again, how is Sasuke going to enact his revolution, he has to overthrow the governments, is he going to ask nicely and they will step down?

Except Naruto clearly plans to fight him and Sakura and Kakashi clearly oppose his view.

If Naruto falls, for the sake of peace they'll have no choice but to follow along

And with the five kages gone, all the governments have practically already fallen

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Not really worse, but not that different either. They all go against people's will. They follow the "for the people, but without them" principle, that never works out.

I say worse because, from a philosophical standpoint, Madara's plan isn't that evil, not at its center. Sasuke will just be another Stalin, Hitler, or Kim Jong Un.

 

[saw2097]

If Naruto falls, for the sake of peace they'll have no choice but to follow along

And with the five kages gone, all the governments have practically already fallen

You mean like how they followed along with Obito, Madara, or Kaguya.

Yeah everyone is just going to step down and do what Sasuke says, and they aren't going to wonder who killed the five kage.

A guy who is willing to kill his best friend, is willing to kill anyone who stands in his way, a person like that in control of the world would be a tyrant.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

If Naruto falls, for the sake of peace they'll have no choice but to follow along

And with the five kages gone, all the governments have practically already fallen

What makes you think so? The SA kept fighting even after Naruto and Sasuke had fallen, and declared war before they had even entered the battlefield. They won't back down, Sasuke would have to kill them all, and keep killing, and keep killing.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Sasuke's goal, whether you like it or not would be reality, whereas Obito's and Madara's goals would be nothing more than illusions. Good to know that you believe that a fake dream is better than real life situations.

So what if Madara achieved the IT and they actually lives in their little dream world? What then? You live in a dream world for the rest of time? Your ideology is nothing but lollipops and rainbows, which is not the case.

I'd rather live in a nice dream than friggin North Korea (Sasuke's plan).

 

[Scooby Doo]

I say worse because, from a philosophical standpoint, Madara's plan isn't that evil, not at its center. Sasuke will just be another Stalin, Hitler, or Kim Jong Un.

But Infinite Tsukuyomi would last forever, at least in a dictatorship people can rebel. But I see your point.