Sasuke is worse than Obito and Madara ever were

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Why are people assuming dictatorship? The current regime is self-serving and only a like-minded few have much say in how the village is run, the Senju lovers, I mean. As history has proven, the Uchiha have no place within the current system, so the only option, from Sasuke's perspective, is a new one.
 

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While Obito and Madara sought to create a false world, a lie, essentially, they sought after everyone's happiness, especially Madara. With Sasuke, he doesn't give a shit whether or not he achieves peace or happiness for everyone, all that matter are his peace and his happiness, never mind what anyone else thinks. Obito and Madara had the excuse that while people would resist at first, they'd get all they ever wanted, with never ending peace. At best Sasuke's plan would end in tyranny, his tyranny, at worst it would end in anarchy, the world that Madara and Hashirama grew up in.

In regards to the poor bijuu, Sasuke sees them as abominations, even though they're the victims.

Sasuke is far worse than Obito or even Madara and is selfish to the core.

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Obito and Madara had completely abandoned their hope in the Ninja World, which is why they felt it would be better sleeping in Infinite Tsukuyomi. While they did in their own sense display a desire for peace, it wouldn't have been genuine.

Sasuke made a valid point in his statement that the Kage were responsible for much of what happened in the ninja world (i.e. the greed displayed by each nation in stealing intel and bloodline limits from other nations, the manipulation of tailed beasts, and lastly, the prior 3 Great Ninja Wars) - however, to simply kill them off is a bit much, especially now that they've all banded together and put their differences aside.

As for the tailed beasts, as long as they exist, there is always the chance that someone will come along who intends to use them for their own selfish purposes, so as Sasuke sees it, they'd be better off under his control, or destroyed. And quite frankly, that's a valid argument as well. Hypothetically, if the Tailed Beasts were all eliminated, that means no more hosts ... which means there's no target for villages who would otherwise aim to steal one for their own use. Sure, there might be a skirmish or two over prized bloodline limits, but it would never be as extreme; possessing a tailed beast would put a village at a great advantage over a village that doesn't have one, after all.

Sasuke's truly trying to start things off with a clean slate, which is why his motives are soo extreme and unnecessary. He hasn't gotten to Madara and Obito's level of darkness, wherein they completely gave up on the ninja world. If anything he's keen on eliminating anything/one that poses a threat to the future. In this case, it would be the Current Kage (he most likely doesn't trust their ability to watch over their villages given the mistakes they've made up to now) and the Tailed Beasts (whose power will most likely always be sought after).

While I agree that Sasuke's actions are selfish, and exaggerated, he's not as bad as Madara and Obito were.
 
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Lol worse than Obito. Good one.
He is trying to change the world and not trying to destroy it because of a bs reason like Rin.
 

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Sasuke has inherited Danzo's will of fire.
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He thinks that the peace in the Ninja world will be possible if all Bijuu are dead(Because ninjas fight because or for them all their life) and by killing all Hokage who are responsible in a way that there are wars since the dawn of time....What is so crazy about that? It's a logical plan...Obito and Madara wanted a dream because they couldn't stand that in reality their plans are just hocus pocus.
 

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He has watched people like his brother suffer. He is not different from Obito/Madara. You can even say hes more righteous than those 2. THose 2 were hypocrites in a way, Sasuke is simply going to change the current system and establish a new one.

What he said^^^ -_-
 

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He thinks that the peace in the Ninja world will be possible if all Bijuu are dead(Because ninjas fight because or for them all their life) and by killing all Hokage who are responsible in a way that there are wars since the dawn of time....What is so crazy about that? It's a logical plan...Obito and Madara wanted a dream because they couldn't stand that in reality their plans are just hocus pocus.

Do you understand what a revolution is?

The killing won't stop at the Five Kage, that is just where he is starting.

Through his methods he would have to subjugate every Shinobi Village and that would lead to many deaths.
 

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Why are people assuming dictatorship? The current regime is self-serving and only a like-minded few have much say in how the village is run, the Senju lovers, I mean. As history has proven, the Uchiha have no place within the current system, so the only option, from Sasuke's perspective, is a new one.

So ignore the system everyone else has made and established and kill their leaders? Sasuke could easily go and make his own independent village on the edge of the world or even in another dimension with his on system and be the hokage there. Sasuke shoving his belief on everyone without their consent is what is even more deplorable.
 

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Susky just wants the best for the world. Pedobito wanted Rin and Madara wanted to be god.
 

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So ignore the system everyone else has made and established and kill their leaders? Sasuke could easily go and make his own independent village on the edge of the world or even in another dimension with his on system and be the hokage there. Sasuke shoving his belief on everyone without their consent is what is even more deplorable.

The five great nations would allow that? It'd only be destroyed, eventually. Just as the Uzumaki were. Nothing Naruto can do or say would change that, just as there was nothing Hashirama could do or say to stop Tobirama from abusing his power to keep the co-founding Uchiha segregated and leading to them ultimately being massacred. Letting this play out diplomatically would be a huge waste of his time, he already knows the result.

"Shoving his belief". No, that's not what is happening. He hasn't discussed any of the details, or his beliefs, just that, rightfully, the current system sucks. It's a system where a little girl gets kidnapped and her kidnappers are given her uncles head as recompense. Where people like Danzo can exist and flourish. Where entire families are murdered in their own beds for wanting to have a say in it.
 

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The five great nations would allow that? It'd only be destroyed, eventually. Just as the Uzumaki were. Nothing Naruto can do or say would change that, just as there was nothing Hashirama could do or say to stop Tobirama from abusing his power to keep the co-founding Uchiha segregated and leading to them ultimately being massacred. Letting this play out diplomatically would be a huge waste of his time, he already knows the result.

"Shoving his belief". No, that's not what is happening. He hasn't discussed any of the details, or his beliefs, just that, rightfully, the current system sucks. It's a system where a little girl gets kidnapped and her kidnappers are given her uncles head as recompense. Where people like Danzo can exist and flourish. Where entire families are murdered in their own beds for wanting to have a say in it.

And what do you think it will be under him? A dictatorship where dissenters are silenced, just like Danzo's Konoha. I accept that the ninja world has to change, it's seriously screwed up, but, people using violence to solve everything (people like Sasuke) helped contribute to it, a lot. And, how does he know that, this is a unique situation, where all five nations are fighting together, the kage side by side, saving each other's lives, the world can change, it would be impossible for it not to, under these circumstances, but, positive change will only come peacefully.
 

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And what do you think it will be under him? A dictatorship where dissenters are silenced, just like Danzo's Konoha. I accept that the ninja world has to change, it's seriously screwed up, but, people using violence to solve everything (people like Sasuke) helped contribute to it, a lot. And, how does he know that, this is a unique situation, where all five nations are fighting together, the kage side by side, saving each other's lives, the world can change, it would be impossible for it not to, under these circumstances, but, positive change will only come peacefully.

The Kage system is downright broken, in direct opposition of change, the previous Kage and their constituents are given far too much say in how these villages are run, already. The Jonin are appointed by the Kage, the village elders are appointed by the Kage, these are all the components in voting for a Kage. Peace is not everlasting, it'd only take a simple disagreement for everything to fall apart.
 

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The Kage system is downright broken, in direct opposition of change, the previous Kage and their constituents are given far too much say in how these villages are run, already. The Jonin are appointed by the Kage, the village elders are appointed by the Kage, these are all the components in voting for a Kage. Peace is not everlasting, it'd only take a simple disagreement for everything to fall apart.

Of course, that's part of the human condition, the goal shouldn't be to create everlasting peace, that's why Obito and Madara failed, the point should be to maintain it for as long as possible. The only way to create true, everlasting peace would be to mind control everyone.
 

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Not really. Sasuke wants to simply change the system, and he wants to do it without killing people. Madara and Obito had to kill thousands of people and they take away free will from everyone. You can't compare them. Sasuke's ideology is through fear and Madara's ideology is fake and a lie.​
 

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Not really. Sasuke wants to simply change the system, and he wants to do it without killing people. Madara and Obito had to kill thousands of people and they take away free will from everyone. You can't compare them. Sasuke's ideology is through fear and Madara's ideology is fake and a lie.​

I'd rather live a happy lie than survive in a state of constant fear and misery.
 

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I'd rather live a happy lie than survive in a state of constant fear and misery.

Then I have no words for you. One who lives or rather wishes to live in a lying immortal dream, is someone who wants to throw all the opportunities and hard-work, and keep dreaming something that doesn't exist. In other words, a loser.​
 

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Then I have no words for you. One who lives or rather wishes to live in a lying immortal dream, is someone who wants to throw all the opportunities and hard-work, and keep dreaming something that doesn't exist. In other words, a loser.​

Haha, you've never wanted to die, well, I have, I know why someone would choose that.
 

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Haha, you've never wanted to die, well, I have, I know why someone would choose that.

My apologies. I never meant to insult you. I wanted to challenge your opinion. Think about it: even if you're in a country under rule of fear by someone, who's character is similar to Sasuke's, you'll still have the chances to do stuff and work-hard for what you always dream of. However, compare it to a rule under an illusion entirely controlled by a dedicator like Madara's character, you literally have no will to do what you want and your whole life is under his control. Potentially someone like Madara, who loves watching his enemies suffer, he'll probably mind-game his victims. Sorry, but I want to have my free will and choice to do what I want, and not a slave.​
 
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