Sasuke is the most skilled shinobi

[~Ethereal~]

I sort of agree.

 

[shelke]

If Sasuke, again this is according to OPs logic, is the most skilled because Kurama said he is on Hago's level, then by default, in other words, logically speaking, Naruto is at least equal to whatever level Sasuke is since they were evenly matched and could not defeat one another.

That's when you pointed out that Kurama's comment was only referring to chakra control, which even further hurts the argument because it narrows the comparison to only one aspect. Something I explained to you the first time.

Precisely my point. CC is everything. Even when a ninja is moving, he kneads chakra. Therefore, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu and Taijutsu absolutely hinges upon CC. Even Gates work on Chakra system, despite being very different from normal mechanics within Ninjutsu and its lore in NV. To make a fallacious statement that Kurama only covers one aspect and to bring out a win and then claim that the original argument is incorrect is paradoxically incorrect to begin with. Now you get me?

Trust me, your elementary argument was hardly a conundrum. Are you sure it's me who didn't get the post?

 

[ComplexCity]

I said that cause you assume Kaguya having infinite power equates to her having skill. It doesn't, JJ Sasuke would've been beyond her level because he has the skill to use Rikudou's full eye power. Having power doesn't guarantee the person can use it properly otherwise Kaguya would've won the fight neg diff.

Holy craps at this post though

 

[take it easy]

Thats reason why he couldnt defeat less skilled Naruto.

 

[Troyg39]

Precisely my point. CC is everything. Even when a ninja is moving, he kneads chakra. Therefore, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu and Taijutsu absolutely hinges upon CC. Even Gates work on Chakra system, despite being very different from normal mechanics within Ninjutsu and its lore in NV. To make a fallacious statement that Kurama only covers one aspect and to bring out a win and then claim that the original argument is incorrect is paradoxically incorrect to begin with. Now you get me?

Trust me, your elementary argument was hardly a conundrum. Are you sure it's me who didn't get the post?

Dude omg STOP! You have no argument. Several ninja have been praised with chakra control. Sakura has the pinnacle of Chakra control, that doesn't make her the most skilled ninja does it? Chakra Control isn't everything. Yes it is important in many other areas, but that in itself doesn't equate to being the most skilled overall. That's terrible logic. By that logic Sakura is more skilled than Itachi because she's been given a higher praise than him when it comes to chakra control. Naturally you would disagree, and why? Because you would take in consideration the many other areas where Itachi owns her in right? RIGHT.

At the bold: This entire sentence is terrible Dude you are clearly MAD. You were the one that singled Kurama's Hago comparison to only being about chakra control. Not I. So if it's a "fallacious" statement why the hell did you make it? The statement that "Sasuke is the most skilled" I felt was correct. The supporting evidence I felt needed work. What part of that do you not get? You are still trying to salvage a point when at the end of the day, I'M HYPING SASUKE.

The hell is wrong with you man?

 

[shelke]

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How many have been praised at Sasuke's level? No one. Given that every aspect of ninjas arsenal hinges upon CC, then yes, that covers just about everything. Now you are just beating about the bush with absurd paragraphs. I do acknowledge Sakura's CC. Hers is above Naruto's according the the latest DB IV. Meaning, her ninjutsu is better.

No, I pointed out that you stated "that Naruto is on the same level by default based on a stalemate". If you didn't mean it, then okay. All you had to do was admit your own faulty semantic choice.

 

[HENI]

Sasuke is the most highest level of prodigy

 

[KesOnFire]

Sasuke is the most highest level of prodigy

So then why didn't he just make his own jutsu?

 

[Troyg39]

How many have been praised at Sasuke's level? No one. Given that every aspect of ninjas arsenal hinges upon CC, then yes, that covers just about everything. Now you are just beating about the bush with absurd paragraphs. And who told you I don't acknowledge Sakura's CC? Hers is above Naruto's according the the latest DB IV.

No, I pointed out that you stated "that Naruto is on the same level by default based on a stalemate". If you didn't mean it, then okay.

No dude, no it doesn't. A ninja's taijutsu isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control. Their proficiency in ninja tools isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control. A ninja's intellect isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control. Reflexes, speed, aren't necessarily hinged upon chakra control.

Even skill with ninjutsu isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control. Before you go insane, refer to Naruto's mastery of the Rasengan. He wasn't skilled enough in chakra control to perform it in one hand, yet was able to overcome this lack of chakra control and still master the high level jutsu by using other skill sets. He even made a new technique, rasengan barrage, using his high chakra reserves and shadow clone jutsu. He supplemented his lack of chakra control with skill in other areas

But enough of my logic, we'll go with yours. So there you have it everyone. Sakura is a more skilled ninja than Naruto. Her chakra control is higher, and because Shelke's logic determines it, it must mean that Sakura> anyone with inferior chakra control. Because chakra control is everything. Because chakra control=overall skill. We now have to conform to this logic because Shelke is right and he knows what he's talking about.

All this trouble from a Sasuke fapper.....for actually trying to praise Sasuke

 

[SenseiSama]

I don't even know where to begin... Kaguya didn't have skill due to being braindead first of all. Second of all, she had so much power that she didn't need skill.

Uhh if she didn't need the skill then she wouldn't have lost against 16 year olds with no experience using Rikudou power..

She dealt with Sasuke and left him in the desert for example and Naruto was screwed without both seals. As BZ said, a rookie with a master weapon can be defeated by a pro with a rock or whatever it was. She was a Goddess. Not a trained shinobi. Skills are used to make the best of a bad situation, save chakra & defeat opponents in the most efficient way. Kaguya had no limits or training and therefore lost.

So you're agreeing with me, Kaguya's power doesn't justify her having Hagoromo's skill level. Therefore if Madara, Sasuke or Naruto would have eaten the fruit they would have been a lot stronger than her.

Oh, and proof that Naruto had Hagoromo's chakra control

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[HENI]

So you're agreeing with me, Kaguya's power doesn't justify her having Hagoromo's skill level. Therefore if Madara, Sasuke or Naruto would have eaten the fruit they would have been a lot stronger than her.

Oh, and proof that Naruto had Hagoromo's chakra control

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nice post lol

 

[HENI]

So then why didn't he just make his own jutsu?

He's not an inventor, he's a prodigy. Not all prodigies are inventors.

Prodigy definition: a person, especially a young one, endowed with exceptional qualities or abilities.

 

[KesOnFire]

He's not an inventor, he's a prodigy. Not all prodigies are inventors.

Prodigy definition: a person, especially a young one, endowed with exceptional qualities or abilities.

So then why did he need Oro's CM? If he already had exceptional qualities and abilities

Why couldn't he learn to walk on the tree as quickly as Sakura if he is the highest level of prodigy

 

[DHOH]

So then why didn't he just make his own jutsu?

He did

 

[KesOnFire]

He did

Which? and don't say black chidori

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Uhh if she didn't need the skill then she wouldn't have lost against 16 year olds with no experience using Rikudou power..



So you're agreeing with me, Kaguya's power doesn't justify her having Hagoromo's skill level. Therefore if Madara, Sasuke or Naruto would have eaten the fruit they would have been a lot stronger than her.

Oh, and proof that Naruto had Hagoromo's chakra control

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You managed to misinterpret my entire post somehow. That deserves some recognition. She didn't need skill vs opponents below the lvl of MINI GODS WITH BOTH POWER AND SKILL. I really have to spell it out for you :/ she didn't need skill for anyone below God lvls ofc because she could solo them (which she did to Sasuke & Naruto btw) lucky Obito was there.

What I've been trying to explain is that your original post was retarded "having power doesn't mean you can use it" SINCE BOTH NARUTO AND SASUKE HAD GOD LVL POWERS AND COULD USE IT. Once again. Kaguya isn't a shinobi.

NEVER DID I STATE THAT MARUTO DIDN'T HAVE HAGO'S CHAKRA CONTROL. Just ask if you need me to elaborate for you.

Stop making up ficticous arguments for me and countering them to make you think you're one up on me. Thanks. YOU brought up Kaguya.

Ofc you need skill and power to be a shinobi. Never did I compare Hago to Kaguya but you do realise that is her son? Ofc I'm agreeing with you on certain points like that but your original post was irrelevant to the thread topic and then you start making arguments for me in a made up Kaguya debate, like wtf... the fact you had to explain these pointless things that SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SAID for no reason with no relevance...oh boy...

 

[HENI]

So then why did he need Oro's CM? If he already had exceptional qualities and abilities

Why couldn't he learn to walk on the tree as quickly as Sakura if he is the highest level of prodigy

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[KesOnFire]

Read these:

I think the highest level of prodigy can climb a tree or not use CM right?

He needed more trainin like naruto and more power from oro how is he the highest level of prodigy?

 

[HENI]

I think the highest level of prodigy can climb a tree or not use CM right?

He needed more trainin like naruto and more power from oro how is he the highest level of prodigy?

I guess you didn't read them, okay

 

[shelke]

No dude, no it doesn't. A ninja's taijutsu isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control. Their proficiency in ninja tools isn't necessarily hinged upon chakra control.

It does. For ninjas anyway. Even Samurais use CC to create Chakra based slashes. When a ninja moves, he controls chakra. We have known this since part one during Tree Climbing training. Ninjutsu completely depends upon Chakra Control, so does foot speed and since Kenjutsu requires movement, even that would require balancing energies.

For Sakura, it's what the author has gone for in DB IV. Her seal alone is the pinnacle of CC and her Medical Ninjutsu is also the apex of CC. Both covered in DBIV and the manga. Your self-made opinions cannot put a dent on it. But hey, there is always the fiction section.

The rest is preposterous and your insults are ruefully petty and childish. Be a moron, but at least be a creative moron. There is nothing worse than poverty in insults department.