[Theory] Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi....

[Draxus]

He used it on danzo. Even danzo said that sasukes "tsukuyomi" paled in comparison compared to itachis. Would that be proof enough that sasuke has tsukuyomi. Plus sasuke used a genjutsu on killer bee and his eye started bleeding which shows that he used an ms technique. The only logical explanation would be that he used tsukuyomi

you contradict yourself. So his eye bleed when he used it on Bee, but not when he used it on Danzo?

And danzo said Sasuke's "genjutsu". He never said Sasuke's "Tsukuyomi".

ikr the op conviently left that part out

and butcher what danzo said.

the problem with people claiming this,

explain how madara has susanno.

When he hasnt showned 2MS techsl.

Actually the fact Madara hasn't show any other MS tech goes against Sasuke having Tsukuyomi as the biggest evidence is that the databook says you need it in order to use Susano'O.

 

[H a n]

Even if he has it, I doubt he will ever use it.

 

[Champ]

He has Itachi eyes, theres no reason for him not to have it

 

[crono0929]

If tsukuyomi and amaterasu is needed for susanoo, then madara must have them too?

I think sasuke just has amaterasu and amaterasu control, kinda like if obito would've had both eyes.

 

[DragonGodOfFire]

People say that Sasuke possess Tsukuyomi but is weak, not mastered yet and so on... But he do not possess it. I've explained it below along with how Itachi uses Tsukuyomi

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Sasuke do not possess Tsukuyomi. Because he already have two powers, First in Amaterasu and the Second is Manipulating and Extinguishing the Amaterasu flames.

From Itachi's point of view, it was said that to unlock Susano'o, two powers must be unlocked that is Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. That was for Itachi and not for every Uchiha possessing MS.

Sasuke used Amaterasu against Killer Bee as well as tried to Extinguish the flames. He accomplished one power completely, that is, Amaterasu.
The other power met the conditions when Sasuke manipulated the Amaterasu flames against Raikage at the Summit.
And then he acquired a skeletal Susano'o form.

Talking about Itachi's Tsukuyomi :
For Itachi, the Tsukuyomi is the another name for his Genjutsu powers. This is because Tsukuyomi grants Itachi powers to manipulate the time. Itachi is excellent with Genjutsu and that's why he got a power of manipulating the time in his Genjutsu world.

During Kakashi's fight he used Tsukuyomi, Itachi explains what the power provides. The power to control space, time and matter.

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During Sasuke vs Itachi, they were throwing Genjutsus at each other as explained by Zetsu. Most importantly Itachi used normal Genjutsu but a powerful one against Sasuke at the start. His Sharingan was three tomoe.
Zetsu said that they're still throwing Genjutsu at each other. That means time passed by as he was viewing them. Itachi didn't used Tsukuyomi at that time.

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Take a look when Itachi used his Tsukuyomi on Sasuke. During his fight with Kakashi, Kakashi looked in Itachi's eyes with his Sharingan eye and got caught into his Tsukuyomi.
Now, when do you think Sasuke fall for Itachi's Tsukuyomi?
The time when Itachi appeared suddenly in front of Sasuke with his MS after the rain of shurikens against each other and then cutting Itachi's arm with bigger Shuriken

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That time Itachi controlled the space, matter and time, that is the place they were battling against each other. There was a difference in type of Tsukuyomi when he used it against Kakashi.
During the time of battling, Zetsu was not shown even for a single panel to explain the things.
But this is an image of Zetsu where he seems to be shocked at the scene as Itachi plucks out Sasuke's eye. Take a good look. Who's shocked? Its white Zetsu

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But the truth is that white Zetsu was amazed how quickly Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke because Sasuke falls on his knees where he was standing. That was the place where Itachi appeared in front of him.

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But Black Zetsu was not confirm whether Sasuke fall for Tsukuyomi or not and then he made a statement that Sasuke overcame the Tsukuyomi.
The bold words are spoken by Black Zetsu. (that is Madara's part)

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This explains that Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi when he intends to use a Genjutsu in his MS active state. Otherwise it is just a Genjutsu.

Talking about Danzo's statement

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He commented on Itachi's Tsukuyomi because Itachi appeared in front of him with his MS.

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He understood that Sasuke used a Genjutsu on him. But compared to Itachi's where he manipulates time, Sasuke's Genjutsu stands nowhere.

This is Tobi's explanation after Danzo is pierced by Sasuke's sword.
There is also a flashback of Itachi's illusion which Sasuke used to keep his Genjutsu active on Danzo's hand.

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During the fight with Kabuto...
Both were under Genjutsu and couldn't move from their places. So Itachi used Tsukuyomi to free Sasuke while Sasuke used normal Genjutsu to free Itachi.

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Take a good look at Sasuke's MS/EMS. During his fight with Danzo and then with Kabuto with his MS/EMS active, he was only able to cast Genjutsu but not Tsukuyomi. And whenever Itachi used Genjutsu in his MS was active form, it was Tsukuyomi.​

^^^^ This. I taught everyone knew that, sasuke has never even said tysukiomi(spelling) before so how does he have it. even with ems he did't use it.

 

[adeshina365]

Agreed, I don't think he has Tsukuyomi either.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Well, I would prefer him having Tsukuyomi than Sage Mode, 'nuff said.

XD

 

[China IL]

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Look at the first scan, Bee made eye contact with Sasuke while Sasuke had MS activated. In the second scan, Sasuke covered his eye with a palm just like Itachi did.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but Sasuke already used Tsukuyomi.

Tsukuyomi freezes the enemy and slows their movement at Itachi's will. Sausuke uses his normal genjutsu to make it seem like he's being stabbed and frozen by swords, no more than that.

 

[adeshina365]

I don't think its a coincidence that Sasuke's MS Genjutsu is never specifically referred to as Tsukuyomi.

I have a theory that the MS, enhances normal Sharingan genjutsu, but doing so still causes strain since its used through the MS.

 

[-ahhimane-]

He has Itachi eyes, theres no reason for him not to have it

The other pair of eyes just acts as the undying light in their eyesight and nothing else. They do not possess the powers of the user of the eyes getting transplanted.
Tobirama himself said this

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It is the brain from which special chakra is sprouted which affects the eyes and changes them. In particular there is no source of power inside an eye. The source is the brain.
Sasuke only transplanted Itachi's eyes and not his brain.
So what Sasuke got are the never dying eyesight along with some modifications in his powers which he was already having. And those modifications are shown through a combined Mangekyo Sharingan of two i.e Sasuke's previous MS and Itachi's MS which resulted into an EMS.

Similarly Kakashi got the MS because of sudden loss of Rin who stepped in when he was about to strike a Mist shinobi.
And Obito got the MS due to the same but the effects and the level of their powers of MS were totally different depending upon the level of the special chakra that sprouted in their brains.
Kakashi awakened the MS because somehow he was able to handle the Uchiha DNA which he got through the eye.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

The other pair of eyes just acts as the undying light in their eyesight and nothing else. They do not possess the powers of the user of the eyes getting transplanted.
Tobirama himself said this

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It is the brain from which special chakra is sprouted which affects the eyes and changes them. In particular there is no source of power inside an eye. The source is the brain.
Sasuke only transplanted Itachi's eyes and not his brain.
So what Sasuke got are the never dying eyesight along with some modifications in his powers which he was already having. And those modifications are shown through a combined Mangekyo Sharingan of two i.e Sasuke's previous MS and Itachi's MS which resulted into an EMS.

Similarly Kakashi got the MS because of sudden loss of Rin who stepped in when he was about to strike a Mist shinobi.
And Obito got the MS due to the same but the effects and the level of their powers of MS were totally different depending upon the level of the special chakra that sprouted in their brains.
Kakashi awakened the MS because somehow he was able to handle the Uchiha DNA which he got through the eye.

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There is a source of power inside the eyes, obviously. Are you completely ignoring that Tobirama states that the chakra produces the change in the eye, and that EMS holds qualities from both the donor and the recipient? Meaning, both chakra's are affecting the eyes.

 

[-ahhimane-]

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There is a source of power inside the eyes, obviously. Are you completely ignoring that Tobirama states that the chakra produces the change in the eye, and that EMS holds qualities from both the donor and the recipient? Meaning, both chakra's are affecting the eyes.

Bro the brain is source. The eyes are the one that shows the feelings of the user. EMS is still using Sasuke's chakra from his brain and not Itachi's.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Bro the brain is source. The eyes are the one that shows the feelings of the user. EMS is still using Sasuke's chakra from his brain and not Itachi's.

Manga disagrees. It's using both Sasuke and Itachi's chakra, the chakra produces the change in the eye, as is plainly stated, Sasuke's eyes have changed with EMS, have they not?

 

[Draxus]

Manga disagrees. It's using both Sasuke and Itachi's chakra, the chakra produces the change in the eye, as is plainly stated, Sasuke's eyes have changed with EMS, have they not?

Nope, Itachi's did... he no longer has his eyes with EMS, that's the point of it.

 

[sgt]

sasuke used tsukiyomi on danzo. Danzo stated that himself that where itachi could master time and space in that gentjusu, sasuke still isn't good with it. So manga officially stated it thus making your statement invalid.

+ tobi/obito stated that itachi transfered his MS techniques into sasuke at that point.
go reread the manga if you have no clue

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Nope, Itachi's did... he no longer has his eyes with EMS, that's the point of it.

Semantics, you know what I was referring to.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Manga disagrees. It's using both Sasuke and Itachi's chakra, the chakra produces the change in the eye, as is plainly stated, Sasuke's eyes have changed with EMS, have they not?

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[Draxus]

Semantics, you know what I was referring to.

I disagree, it's a different distinction to say Itachi's chakra changed Sasuke eyes rather than Sasuke's chakra changed Itachi's eyes.

I don't know you or how much you know about the manga, so why would I assume anything?

 

[-ahhimane-]

sasuke used tsukiyomi on danzo. Danzo stated that himself that where itachi could master time and space in that gentjusu, sasuke still isn't good with it. So manga officially stated it thus making your statement invalid.

+ tobi/obito stated that itachi transfered his MS techniques into sasuke at that point.
go reread the manga if you have no clue

Itachi could control the space, time and matter in his Genjutsu and that is why that power was called as Tsukuyomi. And Itachi could only use his special Genjutsu in MS form in case of Kakashi and Sasuke otherwise, the Genjutsu will be normal (that is, using a tomoe Sharingan) as he did on Kurenai, Naruto and countless shinobis.
Since Sasuke cannot contol the surroundings, that is just a normal Genjutsu even if he spams if using a MS.

About Obito saying Sasuke : Take a close look

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Itachi instilled his Amaterasu in Sasuke so that whenever their eyes meet, Amaterasu would burn Obito down. Since Amaterasu flames cannot be extinguished, Itachi thought of that plan to keep Sasuke away from Obito. That was just a one-time insurance in Sasuke's eye and nothing else.
Itachi failed in that also because he was not knowing about Obito's other eye. The other eye of Obito was just a normal Sharingan which Obito used for Izanagi to escape his death by burning down from Amaterasu flames.
This is the fair and an accurate explanation for how Obito escaped from Amaterasu. He did the same during his fight with Konan.

And for this quotes of Tobi/Obito :

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Obito started Itachi's story from that point because that would create a bigger impact on Sasuke's mind for learning the truth behind Itachi. He started manipulating Sasuke form that point to bring him under his control. Because when he explained about the Amaterasu hitting him, he was assuming that it could Itachi's final mission to keep him away from Tobi.


And don't say that Itachi gave all his MS powers to Sasuke. Then Sasuke really is a down marketed character in the whole series who has nothing of his own to start with.
The one who needs to reread the manga is you and not me.
People like you just go on reading the manga like a fairy tail and don't even thinks back what the character spoke about and why. This manga is full of puzzles. Then how can you expect the main villain to play his cards so fairly?

 

[Fireplay]

True. His low level genjutsu is just that. Not Tsukyomi.